Variety tries to get Zoe Saldana moved to lead category in Oscars

[Body Talk]

Have the people saying Glinda is the lead seen the film?

 

They were co-leads in the musical because the full story arc explores both characters, but film one (and act one in the musical) is way more heavily Elphaba's arc and backstory, and I would wager Elphaba has much more screen time than Glinda. I wonder how they will categorize film two.

[Bimbo]

Variety's been serving nasty work for a while now…

[Achilles.]

Blatant hypocrisy and favoritism from Clayton Davis, but anyone who follows award season wouldn't expect any different from him. Or any other pundit or "predictor" or even most "critics." So many of these people are self-important losers who simply try to manipulate the conversation in whatever way benefits their particular favorites. And there's this fun condescension towards SAG because they let "waiters and extras" vote, but all the while the Golden Globes, Critics Choice, and oh so important "critics trifecta" are full of literal stans.

 

By literally any possible measure, Zoe Saldana is the lead of Emilia Perez. Not only because she has the most screentime, but because the film begins and ends with her, she is a driving force in the narrative, and she carries nearly every musical performance number. Karla Sofia Gascon's role is borderline by screentime, and I honestly think the fact that she's playing the titular character is the only reason she's getting the push in Lead Actress. If the film had any other title, they would push the famous name in Lead Actress while the foreign transgender woman with no Hollywood connections would go supporting.
 

I fully support efforts to eliminate category fraud. I find it incredibly annoying, disrespectful to actors who give actual supporting performances, and detrimental to the "integrity" of critic groups and award organizations that they allow this to happen. 
 

But this article is not even remotely a legitimate effort to draw awareness to an enduring institutional problem. It is a stan trying to clear the path for his preferred contender, in a way that is astonishingly hypocritical considering his preferred contender is every bit as much a category fraud as Saldana—if not even moreso.

[LegaMyth]

18 minutes ago, Green said:

 

THIS!!!

 

There would be finally a second black actress winner in lead.

It could also be Marianne Jean-Baptiste. She's predicted to be competitive for a nod/win.

[NoAngelus]

what's with these popstars and their aggressive oscar campaigns? so annoying.

[VelvetCrush]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

I have not seen the Zoe Saldana movie, but I feel like supporting role is not determined by how much screen time but rather their relation to the plot (as a support to the story arch). 
 

Like I think Nick is a supporting character in the Great Gatsby despite being the narrator and thus having the most screen time.  Same with Watson in Sherlock Holmes.  
 

 

That's exactly what I got when watching Emilia Pérez. Rita did feel like a main character but Emilia was the PROTAGONIST of the story. So I do feel like Zoe could be nominated for lead if they wanted to push that campaign, but since the academy doesn't have strict rules for what's lead and what's support, it's fitting for Zoe to be supporting since Karla plays the protagonist.

Edited November 22, 2024 by VelvetCrush

[Assassin]

Now why did the mods remove Ariana from the title.

[Digitalism]

Finally a year when the awards  are going to be hard to guess

[AMIT]

1 hour ago, vuelve88 said:

Not them pitting two Latina women against each other. 

 

 

Ariana is Italian 

[byzantium]

6 minutes ago, AMIT said:

Ariana is Italian 

You can be Latina and Italian.  I feel like a lot of people in Brazil and Argentina have Italian names.  
 

But this is Blackiana erasure.  

[AMIT]

7 minutes ago, byzantium said:

You can be Latina and Italian.  I feel like a lot of people in Brazil and Argentina have Italian names.  
 

But this is Blackiana erasure.  

It was a joke sis

 

But Miss Thing is a global icon as in every ethnicity and we love her for it 

[Lady Claire]

Zoe is indeed the lead of Emilia Perez, the film starts and ends with her... but i can understand why Karla is being pushed for Best Actress since she plays the title character.

 

I saw there isn't a rule based on screentime, so i don't think there will be an actual issue with this. I'm rooting for both, a black woman and a trans woman winning will make me very happy

 

 

[ariananext]

I don't think Ariana is winning it, Zoe is #1 in winning predictions, but of course competition is much higher in lead.

[byzantium]

35 minutes ago, AMIT said:

It was a joke sis

 

But Miss Thing is a global icon as in every ethnicity and we love her for it 

Yes sorry, was trying to play off your joke.  Ariana is every ethnicity and we love her for it! 

[wantedyoutogrow]

First of all, I can't believe some of y'all think Variety has any power over what happens at the Oscars

 

Second, Zoe is literally the lead of Emilia Perez, no idea why she was even considered a supporting act in any way

[KaledKalil]

Watch Wicked being Avenue Qed haha

[Vermillion]

1 hour ago, Achilles. said:

I fully support efforts to eliminate category fraud. I find it incredibly annoying, disrespectful to actors who give actual supporting performances, and detrimental to the "integrity" of critic groups and award organizations that they allow this to happen. 
 

But this article is not even remotely a legitimate effort to draw awareness to an enduring institutional problem. It is a stan trying to clear the path for his preferred contender, in a way that is astonishingly hypocritical considering his preferred contender is every bit as much a category fraud as Saldana—if not even moreso.

Literally specific ratios on the level of Billboard percentages for chart placements. I'm here for this.

 

For more gray area such as who drives the plot, a smaller committee of random rotating members from the Academy.

[Papi Juancho]

Notice how there's only ONE fandom crying in the comments/mentions. They haven't stopped crying for the past 2 weeks because their girl went from being a favorite to not even being mentioned in any publication, from the top 5 on Gold Derby to almost out of the top 10. 
 

No matter how many other "special awards" she buys, the biggest L of ***ena's career is coming and I can't stop laughing

[Selegend]

2 minutes ago, Papi Juancho said:

Notice how there's only ONE fandom crying in the comments/mentions. They haven't stopped crying for the past 2 weeks because their girl went from being a favorite to not even being mentioned in any publication, from the top 5 on Gold Derby to almost out of the top 10. 
 

No matter how many other "special awards" she buys, the biggest L of ***ena's career is coming and I can't stop laughing

Satellite & Cannes winner, Critics Choice, Golden Globes, SAG and Emmy nominated actress is really such a loser cuz @Papi Juancho said so. 

[Squall]

I started watching Emilia Perez, it's not my type of movie so I stopped but yeah I didn't understand why they considered her a supporting actress 

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

Guys, let's admit it: both Zoe and Ariana are lead actresses in their movies. The only reason studios are pushing them for supporting category is because they want to avoid the „Thelma and Louise" clash. This category fraud thing has been done for years. 

Edited November 22, 2024 by OnlyManInTheWorld

[CaptainMusic]

6 hours ago, Assassin said:

screentime has never been a criteria for lead or supporting. The movie is called Emilia Perez, hence Karla is the one campaigning as lead.

Meryl had less than half the amount of screentime compared to Anne in Devil Wears Prada yet she campaigned and got nominated for lead actress Oscar.

 

6 hours ago, Bey'Knight said:

And there's Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the lambs who's considered lead in spite of limited screentime due to his looming shadow throughout the movie. 
 

Variety are blatantly in Ariana's pockets. This film is shaping up to be the Oscar villain of the season. 

Meryl and Anthony only campaigned in Lead for those movies because of their status in the industry.

 

Both of those roles were more supporting, and would've been nominated as such if they were played by a lesser known actor.

 

And either way a supporting role going lead is a disadvantage, while Zoe (and Ariana apparently) have a clear advantage over actual supporting roles due to their large amount of screen time.

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Zoe should've been campaigned lead, it's ridiculous how 2 women from the same film can't be campaigned lead together anymore. 

[Superbitch]

6 hours ago, Body Talk said:

Have the people saying Glinda is the lead seen the film?

 

They were co-leads in the musical because the full story arc explores both characters, but film one (and act one in the musical) is way more heavily Elphaba's arc and backstory, and I would wager Elphaba has much more screen time than Glinda. I wonder how they will categorize film two.

I have since last week and yes they are CO LEADS.

 

For anyone who's into film.. they can all tell you Clayton Davis is seen as a joke. Everyone clowns him for his stupid opinions and predictions. He always has the biggest reaches there and it's obvious he's trying to use his position to promote people he likes even tho they have no chance. This is just one example of him being a clown but he's been doing this for years. Even when he had his own website. When he got the variety job everyone was like wtf?? How?
 

this paired with his aggressive push for Ariana is very fishy. This season there's a lot of category fraud this year but he chooses to come after Zoe the day he has Ariana as his # 1. Last year he was coming for Lily Gladstone. 

[Superbitch]

3 hours ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

Guys, let's admit it: both Zoe and Ariana are lead actresses in their movies. The only reason studios are pushing them for supporting category is because they want to avoid the „Thelma and Louise" clash. This category fraud thing has been done for years. 

For sure. And they're not the only ones this season… Culkin in a real pain too. Qualley in the substance. But it's about him pushing Ariana for some weird reason and coming for Zoe  what's making people be like what the hell. 

[Matthew]

10 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

If Zoe is lead, then so is Ariana. Both Ariana and Cynthia are co-leads.

Plus, that makes sense. The Broadway stars got lead Tony noms.