discussion Swiss 'burqa ban' to take effect from 2025

[prettyinpink940]

From January 1, 2025, it will be forbidden to cover the face in public places throughout Switzerland. Violations can be punished with a fine of up to CHF1,000 (about $1,143).

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/democracy/swiss-ban-on-face-covering-will-apply-from-2025/88007484

 

Thoughts?

 

[l3disko]

Their country their rules.

 

Don't immigrate to a country if you're not willing to assimilate to their culture.

[prettyinpink940]

1 minute ago, l3disko said:

Their country their rules.

 

Don't immigrate to a country if you're not willing to assimilate to their culture.

[Space Cowboy]

Hijabs and Burqas are symbols of female opression and tools to control women.

[prettyinpink940]

Just now, kellebrity98 said:

and how the **** does a burqa effect these people's lives?

It should be banned in every European country. Switzerland is doing the right thing.

[Daddy]

Wear whatever but don't cover your face in public (minus FFP2 masks for medical reasons of course)

[velocity]

good. this misogynistic bullshit has no place in europe

[EtherealCat]

wont this just trap the woman who wear these in their homes?

[PillowCase]

I love it. The rest of Europe, US and Latin America should follow. 

Leave your barbaric traditions at home where they belong.

[Mitsouko]

To lie and claim that you're nameless, faceless, rightsless, subhuman, enslaved when you are not should be and IS now a crime 

[Lover]

[velocity]

5 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

wont this just trap the woman who wear these in their homes?

do you genuinely think that these women aren't already trapped at home most of the time?

[alexrex]

In the past, I would have agreed that it goes against the freedom of religion, self-expression, etc, etc...

But many muslim countries have these rules that go against women liberties and LGBTQ+ folks (and claim that it's their culture and should be respected, so people should follow).

 

So I'm glad it's the same the other way around. And if you don't like it, you can go.

[Johnny Jacobs]

Oh wow. A radical religious tradition was banned in Europe? 

 

What is happening 

 

Homophobic terrorist groups next 

Edited Sunday at 08:32 PM by Johnny Jacobs

[Doctor Dick]

Great! It's oppression covered up (pun intended). 

 

Afghani women are now not allowed to speak in public. The whole Middle East is filled with these strict laws and good for Switzerland to achieve this.  

[PillowCase]

19 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

wont this just trap the woman who wear these in their homes?

They are free to change their antiquated beliefs and not engage in this behavior anymore.

[HANZ94]

30 minutes ago, l3disko said:

Their country their rules.

 

Don't immigrate to a country if you're not willing to assimilate to their culture.

Period 

the rest of Europe and America should do the same 

[Companion]

Wow I tought Switzerland was more open minded and prioritize freedom and safety better than other european countries. Such a shame cuz I really enjoyed my time on there and people seemed really nice and great.

 

Wishing for a better future where women doesn't get judged for their clothes and their beliefs.

[EtherealCat]

20 minutes ago, velocity said:

do you genuinely think that these women aren't already trapped at home most of the time?

 

5 minutes ago, PillowCase said:

They are free to change their antiquated beliefs and not engage in this behavior anymore.

if you want people to change and integrate how are they going to do that if you take away the possibly limited time they have out of the house?

[heckinglovato]

Where do you draw the line of "oppressive" and who draws it? Should the government get to legislate oppression? Why is a face cover oppressive and not a headscarf? And if a headscarf is also oppressive then will Catholic nuns attire also be banned? Or is it only oppressive if it originates from a non-Western culture? 

 

Also how come when Afghanistan/Taliban legislate their "culture" the immediate reaction here is we should bomb them or implement regime change, but when western governments want to legislate their "culture" (a Swiss culture of skiing in ski masks in the Alps but women can't choose to cover their face if they wish), then everyone applauds it? 

 

So many questions! 

Edited Sunday at 08:54 PM by heckinglovato

[Delirious]

Tbh not sure if I agree with this. Imo you should be allowed to wear whatever you want because it's only impacting yourself and where does it draw the line?

Is it for any clothing that covers the face? If so then that makes sense but if it's even hijab that dont cover the face then...

Edited Sunday at 08:55 PM by Delirious

[Riverbank]

37 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

wont this just trap the woman who wear these in their homes?

[SapphireSky]

Hopefully the rest of Europe will follow 

[Vermouth]

13 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

Where do you draw the line of "oppressive" and who draws it? Should the government get to legislate oppression? Why is a face cover oppressive and not a headscarf? And if a headscarf is also oppressive then will Catholic nuns attire also be banned? Or is it only oppressive if it originates from a non-Western culture? 

 

Also how come when Afghanistan/Taliban legislate their "culture" the immediate reaction here is we should bomb them or implement regime change, but when western governments want to legislate their "culture" (a Swiss culture of skiing in ski masks in the Alps but women can't choose to cover their face if they wish), then everyone applauds it? 

 

So many questions! 

Ski masks and a burqa equivalence?

 

Oh do just f**k right off.

[Cheers]

48 minutes ago, alexrex said:

In the past, I would have agreed that it goes against the freedom of religion, self-expression, etc, etc...

But many muslim countries have these rules that go against women liberties and LGBTQ+ folks (and claim that it's their culture and should be respected, so people should follow).

Yea. Sadly I have to agree with you.