base talk Why Beyonce's Cowboy Carter WON'T win AOTY

[Rv1709]

14 minutes ago, Comedor said:

Y'all need new material damn this is boring, I was actually expecting a fun thread.

So does Beyoncé 

[Pud]

CC may not win because it's bloated and contains filler. 
 

A problem HMHAS doesn't have 

[CherryBay]

Because Billie (hopefully) will

 

Ta Dah

[Navyofbadgals]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

Samples can completely change a song, not sure why you consider it lesser than writing a song from scratch.

I never said that?

[Johnny Cash]

"it's because of samples!!!" then don't overly rely on samples? Clearly none of the other nominees needed to.

[Kristie Kuwa]

Listen to the vinyl version and tell me its not an immaculate body of work. The radio setup, the continuity, the references, the narration, going from a classical Country feei in the beginning of the album to a fusion and blend of genres towards the end of the album and thus depicting the future of Country, the play between American Requiem (beginning) and Amen (end).

 

Like hello? Stop disrespecting Cowboy Carter faguettes!

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:35 PM by Kristie Kuwa

[Kristie Kuwa]

1 minute ago, Johnny Cash said:

"it's because of samples!!!" then don't overly rely on samples? Clearly none of the other nominees needed to.

At this point Taylor samples herself all the time nnnn

 

[Solaria]

The reason why she won't win AOTY is because she didn't release the visuals for Renaissance. NO GRAMMY FOR YOU BEY UNTIL I HAVE THE PURE/HONEY VIDEO BLASTING THROUGH MY EYES!!!

[HeavyMetalAura]

1 hour ago, Aramis said:

Because she's a black woman. Next question.

She's literally the most decorated artist at the Grammys of all time.  Yeah the Grammys must really hate her because she's black, she's only won 32 awards. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

3 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said:

She's literally the most decorated artist at the Grammys of all time.  Yeah the Grammys must really hate her because she's black, she's only won 32 awards. 

The convo is about AOTY babe.

 

Taylor: 4 AOTY

All black females in the history of the Grammies together: 3 AOTY

 

And these 32 Grammies actually further prove how dogshit the Grammies are since they basically dont give the AOTY to the most decorated artist in their history.

How can u keep a straight face and basically say "you are amazing, the best of the best, but only among ur fellow black peeps. The moment u step against our white crown jewels, you lose. Doesnt matter if u sold the most, have the best criqitiques, won Peabody awards, changed the game, etc"

Edited Sunday at 12:50 PM by Kristie Kuwa

[ScorpiosGroove]

[Broken]

Cowboy Cosplay: 51 songwriters

 

HIT + Tortured + SnS + NBS + Princess + BRAT + V4 = 60 songwriters

 

[Jay07]

1 hour ago, Mr.X said:

From the Grammys own website, you can see that CC has pretty much equal numbers of nominated writers/producers/Engeneers as Sabrinas or Taylor's album:

 

2025 GRAMMYs: See The OFFICIAL Full Nominations List

Album Of The Year

Award to Artist(s) and to Featured Artist(s), Songwriter(s) of new material, Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s), Mixer(s) and Mastering Engineer(s) credited with 20% or more playing time of the album.)

 

New Blue Sun – André 3000

André 3000 & Carlos Niño, producers; André 3000, Carlos Niño & Ken Oriole, engineers/mixers; André 3000, Surya Botofasina, Nate Mercereau & Carlos Niño, songwriters; Andy Kravitz, mastering engineer

 

COWBOY CARTER – Beyoncé

Beyoncé, Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant & Dave Hamelin, producers; Matheus Braz, Brandon Harding, Hotae Alexander Jang, Dani Pampuri & Stuart White, engineers/mixers; Ryan Beatty, Beyoncé, Camaron Ochs, Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant, Dave Hamelin, S. Carter & Raphael Saadiq, songwriters; Colin Leonard, mastering engineer

 

Short n' Sweet – Sabrina Carpenter

Jack Antonoff, Julian Bunetta, Ian Kirkpatrick & John Ryan, producers; Bryce Bordone, Julian Bunetta, Serban Ghenea, Jeff Gunnell, Oli Jacobs, Manny Marroquin, John Ryan & Laura Sisk, engineers/mixers; Amy Allen, Jack Antonoff, Julian Bunetta, Sabrina Carpenter, Ian Kirkpatrick, Julia Michaels & John Ryan, songwriters; Nathan Dantzler & Ruairi O'Flaherty, mastering engineers

 

BRAT – Charli xcx

Charli xcx, Cirkut & A. G. Cook, producers; A. G. Cook, Tom Norris & Geoff Swan, engineers/mixers; Charlotte Aitchison, Henry Walter, Alexander Guy Cook, Finn Keane & Jonathan Christopher Shave, songwriters; Idania Valencia, mastering engineer

 

Djesse Vol. 4 – Jacob Collier

Jacob Collier, producer; Ben Bloomberg, Jacob Collier & Paul Pouwer, engineers/mixers; Jacob Collier, songwriter; Chris Allgood & Emily Lazar, mastering engineers

 

HIT ME HARD AND SOFT – Billie Eilish

FINNEAS, producer; Thom Beemer, Jon Castelli, Billie Eilish, Aron Forbes, Brad Lauchert, FINNEAS & Chaz Sexton, engineers/mixers; Billie Eilish O'Connell & Finneas O'Connell, songwriters; Dale Becker, mastering engineer

 

Chappell Roan The Rise And Fall Of A Midwest Princess – Chappell Roan

Daniel Nigro, producer; Mitch McCarthy & Daniel Nigro, engineers/mixers; Daniel Nigro & Kayleigh Rose Amstutz, songwriters; Randy Merrill, mastering engineer

 

THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT – Taylor Swift

Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, producers; Zem Audu, Bella Blasko, Bryce Bordone, Serban Ghenea, David Hart, Mikey Freedom Hart, Sean Hutchinson, Oli Jacobs, Jonathan Low, Michael Riddleberger, Christopher Rowe, Laura Sisk & Evan Smith, engineers/mixers; Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner & Taylor Swift, songwriters; Randy Merrill, mastering engineer

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This website is full of low propensity posters I fear.

[HeavyMetalAura]

Just now, Kristie Kuwa said:

The convo is about AOTY babe.

 

Taylor: 4 AOTY

All black females in the history of the Grammies together: 3 AOTY

The larger conversation is about whether or not the Academy and Grammy voters take race into consideration when deciding to award/not award Beyonce. I see your point when it comes to the industry overall, and I certainly believe that racism is a major problem in the industry and that many black artists are overlooked. Beyonce is factually not one of them. She is the most nominated and most awarded artist EVER. CC, in fact, became the most nominated album of all time this week (a record previously held by a black man, no less). She continues to break Grammy records to this day. Maybe voters think she just hasn't released an AOTY yet? 
 

I just think the argument of "she's a black woman" in this case is so insensitive to the actual racism and real vitriol that black women receive on the daily, and it only ages more poorly given who won the election this week. When the conversation is about Bey's black woman identity and the Grammy's, the story is one of success, acknowledgement, and achievement. 32 Grammys and the most awarded artist of all time? Crying over one singular award she hasn't one yet makes the story about greed instead. 

[Roberto]

The debates about Beyonce and Taylor here when Billie is probably taking this. 

[ScorpiosGroove]

5 minutes ago, Broken said:

Cowboy Cosplay: 51 songwriters

 

HIT + Tortured + SnS + NBS + Princess + BRAT + V4 = 60 songwriters

 

y'all are really slow on purpose atp 

[Kristie Kuwa]

4 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said:

The larger conversation is about whether or not the Academy and Grammy voters take race into consideration when deciding to award/not award Beyonce. I see your point when it comes to the industry overall, and I certainly believe that racism is a major problem in the industry and that many black artists are overlooked. Beyonce is factually not one of them. She is the most nominated and most awarded artist EVER. CC, in fact, became the most nominated album of all time this week (a record previously held by a black man, no less). She continues to break Grammy records to this day. Maybe voters think she just hasn't released an AOTY yet? 
 

I just think the argument of "she's a black woman" in this case is so insensitive to the actual racism and real vitriol that black women receive on the daily, and it only ages more poorly given who won the election this week. When the conversation is about Bey's black woman identity and the Grammy's, the story is one of success, acknowledgement, and achievement. 32 Grammys and the most awarded artist of all time? Crying over one singular award she hasn't one yet makes the story about greed instead. 

But there is something to be said about the message, which I edited above:

 

And these 32 Grammies actually further prove how dogshit the Grammies are since they basically dont give the AOTY to the most decorated artist in their history.

How can u keep a straight face and basically say "you are amazing, the best of the best, but only among ur fellow black peeps. The moment u step against our white crown jewels, you lose. Doesnt matter if u sold the most, have the best criqitiques, won Peabody awards, changed the game, etc"

[PYT]

2 hours ago, masochizm said:

Who the f cares? 4 writers and Taylor's album is still cringe from tip to toe, it produced some of the corniest lyrics of the century. 

 

we declared charlie puth should be a bigger artist 

 

 

Touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto…

[Lovett]

1 hour ago, djcalpal said:

If her team didn't force songwriters to give up 50% of their publishing to her (despite her having no involvement in the writing process) in order to be included on her projects, she would be ineligible.

The way you just make things up and pretend they're facts. Tf is this?

[Burn]

1 hour ago, djcalpal said:

CC is basically a compilation album at this point. If her team didn't force songwriters to give up 50% of their publishing to her (despite her having no involvement in the writing process) in order to be included on her projects, she would be ineligible. She's a brilliant singer and entertainer, but compared to some of the actual songwriters she's up against, she doesn't deserve this specific accolade. 

Oh wow I didn't realise it was called "Best Songwriter of the Year" award I thought it was "Album of the Year". Thanks for letting us know. 

[BlossomSoul]

 

Do we care, does it matter? Does having more writers naturally/obviously create a great album?
 

Spoiler

HMHAS - 2

TTPD - 5

SNS - 8

NBS - 10

RFMP - 15

BRAT - 15

DJ4 - 26

CC - 64

 

Edited Sunday at 02:41 PM by BlossomSoul

[Brooklyn Baby]

[Burn]

That lil stan twitter graphic is incorrect per @Kiss It Better's post in the other thread:

 

2 hours ago, Kiss It Better said:

wrong, first off this is ALBUM OF THE YEAR and not SONG OF THE YEAR (which is hard to get, not everybody has that to their credits)

AOTY doesn't just reward the artists and songwriters but

Quote

Award to Artist(s) and to Featured Artist(s), Songwriter(s) of new material, Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s), Mixer(s) and Mastering Engineer(s) credited with 20% or more playing time of the album.)

and per Grammy website, here the number of people who would be awarded if the album wins AOTY:

The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess: 4 (includes 2 songwriters)

Djesse Vol. 4: 5 (includes 1 songwriter)

New Blue Sun: 6 (includes 4 songwriters)

HIT ME HARD AND SOFT: 8 (includes 2 songwriters)

BRAT: 10 (includes 5 songwriters)

Cowboy Carter: 13 (includes 7 songwriters)

Short n Sweet: 15 (includes 7 songwriters)

The Tortured Poets Department: 17 (includes 3 songwriters)

 

[poki]

The real shock for me is Taylor with 4, self titled lyrics was always one of her gotchas 

[Jude]

Damn, Billie is truly the singer-SONGWRITER of her generation. The talent that she holds at a very young age should be studied.