celeb news Beyonce leads Grammy nominations AGAIN… surprised?

[Kingdom]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Very surprised, but it's politics and Beyonce gets her ass kissed for doing the bare minimum.

American Requiem alone is more impressive than any song or album your fave has released recently. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

22 minutes ago, BGKC said:

She just can't keep getting away with these bare minimum eras and expect the GP to understand why she's deserving of such acclaim. All other mental gymnastics and conspiracies revolving Bey only helps fuel the ratings the Grammy's are truly desperate for. 

Thinking it's unworthy of AOTY is comical though. Every time I turn on pop radio it's the same few songs on heavy rotation and most of it IS mid. It would have been nice to change the station to hip hop and r&b and have Tyrant give us a ******* break from We Can't Be Friends, Espresso or Birds of A Feather being played for the the 11th millionth time. And if country music fans weren't so atrociously racist by rejecting her maybe we'd have beautiful song like Protector on country radio too. I'd also much rather see Bey and Miley perform together compared to Bruno and Gaga, but that's just me. Her performing American Requiem to ATRLs beloved GP (who chose Trump for another 4 years) would be enough to eat the girls up and prove to people that CC is a stellar musical experience.

Honestly, Just For Fun would also work perfectly now (the lyrics truly capture the current sentiment)

[Jay07]

42 minutes ago, on the line said:

Sorry, but that impact is about everything but the actual music itself, and the public has overwhelming voted that the music is a dud.

The public doesn't vote on quality and certainly doesn't have the best judgement as we saw again in the past week. Reviewers and her peers decide on quality and they all said Cowboy Carter is one of the best albums of the year so suck it up ATRL user @on the line

 

Oh but I forgot, this is all Jay's doing because of course, let's ascribe all of the had work of a woman to her husband who is so all powerful behind the scenes, he can't resuscitate his own long dead career but apparently is buying all these reviews and nominations for his wife. It's getting weird out here for the OBHs.

[chiliam]

Those album tracks really didnt need to be nominated all over the place like that.

While i didnt enjoy the album like Ren but i can see why it was acclaimed and deserved its album noms.

[on the line]

37 minutes ago, Kingdom said:

American Requiem alone is more impressive than any song or album your fave has released recently. 

Yes, sis, you present subjective taste as fact!!!!!!!!!! 

[on the line]

30 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

The public doesn't vote on quality and certainly doesn't have the best judgement as we saw again in the past week. Reviewers and her peers decide on quality and they all said Cowboy Carter is one of the best albums of the year so suck it up ATRL user @on the line

 

Oh but I forgot, this is all Jay's doing because of course, let's ascribe all of the had work of a woman to her husband who is so all powerful behind the scenes, he can't resuscitate his own long dead career but apparently is buying all these reviews and nominations for his wife. It's getting weird out here for the OBHs.

Sis, if it wasn't Saturday morning and I wasn't about to go for a hike, I'd link to you endless threads and base comments on "can we finally admit CC isn't all that?" or "I haven't listened to CC in ____ months" from her top fans on this site, but if we want to pretend those conversations didn't happen over the last 8 months I can also bury my. head in the sand with the best of you.

[swissman]

2 hours ago, on the line said:

Very surprised, but it's politics and Beyonce gets her ass kissed for doing the bare minimum.

lol @ the bare minimum being a 27-track album in a genre she's not primarily known for, working with/promoting relatively unknown artists from the past and present, addressing institutional racism directly on the first track, blending genres (like blues, rock, Americana, folk, Irish-dance, hip-hop, and R&B), weaving in both personal and broad themes, vocal producing every track, co-writing and co-producing every track, singing Opera in Italian, rapping, updating/rewriting one of the most iconic country songs ever, and being so concept-focused that the first and last song are specifically mirrored to book-end the entire project.

 

But sure... this is the bare minimum and everyone else is doing WAY more than that, right?

 

 

Edited November 9 by swissman

[swissman]

21 minutes ago, on the line said:

Sis, if it wasn't Saturday morning and I wasn't about to go for a hike, I'd link to you endless threads and base comments on "can we finally admit CC isn't all that?" or "I haven't listened to CC in ____ months" from her top fans on this site, but if we want to pretend those conversations didn't happen over the last 8 months I can also bury my. head in the sand with the best of you.

What does this prove exactly though? Some people don't like the album? A lot do, including the Grammys. Someone being bitter that an album is critically acclaimed and punching back by saying "actually it's not even good" and getting reassurance from other contrarians isn't exactly a winning point. There are many people who also think the album is amazing and not listening to a barely promoted album after 8 months isn't exactly a huge shock either. If Sabrina or Charli or even Chappell released 0 videos, did 0 interviews, performed 0 songs from the album, released 0 singles after the first month of release, do you really think they'd just naturally be highly streamed?

 

 

Edited November 9 by swissman

[swissman]

1 hour ago, syrus said:

Not at all surprised. Yawn! 
 

I'm very happy for Deborah Cox today. A woman who puts in work and hasn't gotten 99 nominations. Finally got one!
 

This industry throws Grammys at Beyonce while her fan base cries about AOTY. It's beyond annoying at this point. 

Beyoncé doesn't put in work?

Granted, you can complain about what she does AFTER the album is released, but that shouldn't be what earns you Grammys.

 

The work she puts INTO her albums themselves is quite apparent as they not only follow no formula set by the industry, but not even one set by herself.

 

Belittling her because you disagree doesn't do you any good.

 

Also what do you mean they throw Grammy's at Beyoncé? Are you aware that for Lemonade, which was at the time her most acclaimed work, that broke records, that was the best selling album of 2016 according to the IFPI, that caused so many conversations and had immense social impact and even won a prestigious Peabody Award...are you aware that it lost 8 of its 10 nominations? It's hardly an example of the Grammy's "throwing" awards at her, isn't it?

 

 

Edited November 9 by swissman

[unclefloprry]

Beyonce gets all these nominations just because of her name, she can release a f*rt compilation and still get nominated for AOTY.


 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Sorry, but that impact is about everything but the actual music itself, and the public has overwhelming voted that the music is a dud.

I can't imagine believing that streams are votes of quality.

 

If that were the case, only albums with billions of streams are good, and all albums with few streams are duds. Do you believe this? Also you were previously saying that topping a chart isn't an example of impact, but you also say that streams are examples of quality? Which is it because charts are made up of streams, and if a stream=quality then topping a chart=quality and thus impact, too.

[swissman]

Just now, unclefloprry said:

Beyonce gets all these nominations just because of her name, she can release a f*rt compilation and still get nominated for AOTY.


 

Even if this were true in this instance, let's ask ourselves what Beyoncé has done to earn the benefits of her name.

Could it be... oh gosh, I don't know... releasing back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back acclaimed albums?

 

There are tons of popstars with the same level of name recognition as Beyoncé yet they aren't receiving the same kinds of accolades and that's because they aren't releasing the same kinds of albums, not even close.

[skeeyee]

Only the most acclaimed female artist of all time 

 

[Blade Runner]

3 hours ago, swissman said:

They belong in the same sentence relative to what the person is saying by using them in a sentence.

 

Beyoncé may not be underrated as an artist. She's one of the best selling, most famous, most loved popstars of all time.

 

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean many people don't underrate her, chiming in to diminish her success, call it PR, smoke-and-mirrors, hurl insults at her talents and say she's not deserving of praise or accolades. Are those people not underrating her? After decades of hard work and true talents put on display, working at a level far above most of her peers for most of her career, are people not selling her short by saying she isn't deserving of the success she has or the appreciation? I think, they absolutely are underrating her. That doesn't means some people may not be overrating her at the same time in other ways.

That is because underrated / overrated doesn't have to be a constant. Someone can be both to two different people. It's a subjective opinion relative to one's perception of how someone is rated and treated.

 

Also, being privileged and being over/underrated are different concepts. One is about assessing something's rating the other is about access, wealth, power, etc.

Someone like Paris Hilton is extremely privileged, but someone could argue that her music is underrated.

That happens to LITERALLY eveyone. From The Beatles, to Taylor, to Kendrick, to Mariah. Y'all aren't special. 

 

What else do y'all want? lol Beyoncé is privileged and year after year the Grammys prove that. Even her flop ass albums (The Gift) get an insane amount of attention and noms. 

 

Be f+ckinf for real. 

[Lovett]

5 hours ago, KKKIMO92 said:

To me, the album is forgotten. And they basically said let's squeeze Beyoncé into every category possible. I bet no one pay more attention to how a country album can span pop, RNB, country, rap album cuts. She certainly didn't excel in all these categories, but heck, she's Beyoncé. This will only feed the flames higher into how powerful her husband is in this industry and yes, no one dare to mess with her.

I always find it interesting, but not surprising, that a person like Beyoncé, who is one of the most successful, acclaimed, revered and powerful artists on the entire planet will still be reduced to nothing more than a woman propped up by a man by misogynists like this. 27 years at the top of the industry means nothing, compared to her less successful, acclaimed and revered husband, I guess.

[syrus]

1 hour ago, swissman said:

Beyoncé doesn't put in work?

Granted, you can complain about what she does AFTER the album is released, but that shouldn't be what earns you Grammys.

 

The work she puts INTO her albums themselves is quite apparent as they not only follow no formula set by the industry, but not even one set by herself.

 

Belittling her because you disagree doesn't do you any good.

 

Also what do you mean they throw Grammy's at Beyoncé? Are you aware that for Lemonade, which was at the time her most acclaimed work, that broke records, that was the best selling album of 2016 according to the IFPI, that caused so many conversations and had immense social impact and even won a prestigious Peabody Award...are you aware that it lost 8 of its 10 nominations? It's hardly an example of the Grammy's "throwing" awards at her, isn't it?

 

 

WHAT? She has 32 Grammys. Tamia has 0. Sit this one out please! 

[syrus]

Cowboy Dusty Carter was boring and Lemonade isn't the masterpiece y'all claim it is! Or the other tired albums she released between them.

Edited November 9 by syrus

[on the line]

3 hours ago, swissman said:

I can't imagine believing that streams are votes of quality.

 

If that were the case, only albums with billions of streams are good, and all albums with few streams are duds. Do you believe this? Also you were previously saying that topping a chart isn't an example of impact, but you also say that streams are examples of quality? Which is it because charts are made up of streams, and if a stream=quality then topping a chart=quality and thus impact, too.

You can't imagine people chosing to listen to music they... like and think is good?

 

Oh.....Kay.

 

Lmao.

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, on the line said:

Sis, if it wasn't Saturday morning and I wasn't about to go for a hike, I'd link to you endless threads and base comments on "can we finally admit CC isn't all that?" or "I haven't listened to CC in ____ months" from her top fans on this site, but if we want to pretend those conversations didn't happen over the last 8 months I can also bury my. head in the sand with the best of you.

5 minutes ago, on the line said:

You can't imagine people chosing to listen to music they... like and think is good?

 

Oh.....Kay.

 

Lmao.

seems you finished your hike pretty soon 

i bet it sucks to be Beyonce... she's always on your minds

[on the line]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

seems you finished your hike pretty soon 

i bet it sucks to be Beyonce... she's always on your minds

Ugh don't get me started. The parking was randomly closed where we wanted to go so we just went to a local park and did 4 miles of hills, but thanks for keeping tabs. Do you want to follow me on AllTrails too? Dm me.

 

I mean, yes, things generally cross my mind when I read a sentence (aka thread topic) about them. Gee whiz, thanks for clarifying! 

[James_Joint]

9 hours ago, Burn said:

For those saying the Grammys should go to the music which is more popular with the highest streams/sales, I'm assuming they also think that Beyoncé should have won the AOTY in 2015 for BEYONCÉ? Since it was more successful than the under-the-radar Beck album? 

Yes. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, on the line said:

Ugh don't get me started. The parking was randomly closed where we wanted to go so we just went to a local park and did 4 miles of hills, but thanks for keeping tabs. Do you want to follow me on AllTrails too? Dm me.

 

I mean, yes, things generally cross my mind when I read a sentence (aka thread topic) about them. Gee whiz, thanks for clarifying! 

i wasn't. you replied while i was reading your previous post. i hope you had a fun time

[swissman]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

You can't imagine people chosing to listen to music they... like and think is good?

 

Oh.....Kay.

 

Lmao.

I actually did not say that. In response to you saying: "the public has overwhelming voted that the music is a dud" I said: "I can't imagine believing that streams are votes of quality".

Streams are not a vote of quality but of personal interest. That may be informed by quality but it is not the deciding factor. Consequently, not streaming a song or album is not a vote against its quality. Please take note of the word "vote" here. I didn't say streams don't suggest people like a song. I said (in other words) streams don't suggest a song is any better or worse than another song. I think Bohemian Rhapsody is a qualitatively brilliant song. Do I ever listen to it? No, I don't. Do I listen to songs I may think aren't as qualitatively brilliant as it? Yes, I do. Do you see how this works?

 

Let's put it another way.

Would you say the streaming era's five songs of the highest quality are:

1. Blinding Lights by the Weekend
2. Shape of You by Ed Sheeran
3. Someone You Loved by Lewis Capaldi
4. As It Was by Harry Styles
5. Sunflower by Post Malone and Swae Lee

I doubt you, or anyone would automatically name these five as such without knowing their streaming numbers, because though they may all be individually good, catchy, etc., a stream is not a personal vote for quality alone.

[swissman]

4 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

That happens to LITERALLY eveyone. From The Beatles, to Taylor, to Kendrick, to Mariah. Y'all aren't special. 

 

What else do y'all want? lol Beyoncé is privileged and year after year the Grammys prove that. Even her flop ass albums (The Gift) get an insane amount of attention and noms. 

 

Be f+ckinf for real. 

That happens to everyone sure, but seems to happen to Beyoncé more and even if I'm wrong on that, it doesn't change the fact that in the instances it happens to her, someone is underrating her. Did I say that no one else has ever been underrated or did I say that at times Beyoncé is underrated?

 

You ask that I "Be f+ckinf for real"? Let's do exactly that...you've claimed The Gift got an "insane amount of attention and noms" despite being a flop. The reality is it received three nominations, one not being for the music but a video. Are two nominations for the music itself really "an insane" amount?

 

And are you suggesting that flop albums can't or shouldn't be nominated and if so it's just privilege? Do you realize how many AOTY winners peaked lower than The Gift and got more nominations? Your logic is backwards here. And flop or not, The Gift is a great album. It's not like it was an artistic flop.

 

 

Edited November 9 by swissman

[swissman]

3 hours ago, Lovett said:

I always find it interesting, but not surprising, that a person like Beyoncé, who is one of the most successful, acclaimed, revered and powerful artists on the entire planet will still be reduced to nothing more than a woman propped up by a man by misogynists like this. 27 years at the top of the industry means nothing, compared to her less successful, acclaimed and revered husband, I guess.

And then in the same thread we have someone claiming she's never been underrated.

 

 

Edited November 9 by swissman