Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 42 minutes ago, Monky_2405 said: Not here to say CC is not a quality album (I'm listening to it right now) but "Bodyguard" (a song I really like) being nominated in the Pop categories while "We can't be friends" is at 0 really isn't fair. When it comes to Beyoncé it's like the Academy doesn't care about the rest...I mean, Billie or Charlix deserve the album of the year more than Cowboy Carter, in my opinion. Its just a nom, its not like Bey is going to win. She rarely wins outside the RnB categories and thats a whole different convo that everyone but the Hive LOVES to neglect.
Burn Posted November 9 Posted November 9 For those saying the Grammys should go to the music which is more popular with the highest streams/sales, I'm assuming they also think that Beyoncé should have won the AOTY in 2015 for BEYONCÉ? Since it was more successful than the under-the-radar Beck album? 8
Lovett Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 hours ago, Bumba said: This is weird. Her album did not continue getting streams and it was a bad album. Texas getting a nom should have been the only thing. All of my friends don't know or didn't enjoy the album. To help your confusion here: the GRAMMYs are awarded for artistic achievement, not how many streams an album achieves on a specific streaming platform. Nor how many of ATRL user Bumba's friends personally enjoyed the album. 3
istan4badgalriri Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said: And yet she basically never wins when competing with white artists in the general fields no matter her success or acclaim. Interesting, isn't it? That's true (although she has won in the general field before) But there's this narrative that she's snubbed by the grammys when she's literally the most grammy nominated artist and most decorated artist of all time (male or female)😭 meanwhile there's many legends and icons with zero wins, or just a few, and like 10 nominations
Jon Snow Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 hour ago, Ger.vaz said: Congratulations to her and her 50 Writers. they all deserve this achievement. less people are credited for COWBOY CARTER for the AOTY than The Tortured Poets Department and Short n Sweet 5
Jon Snow Posted November 9 Posted November 9 7 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: That's true (although she has won in the general field before) once for Single Ladies when she made music for white people
judasmonster Posted November 9 Posted November 9 I'll say tho that it will be very disrespectful to her if she doesn't win AOTY or even a main category after all these nominations , you cant just praise this album with the most nominations for any album and use it as promo then only give a genre award. 1 1
Kiss It Better Posted November 9 Posted November 9 "has no impact" yet this album is the reason black country artists like Shaboozey and Linda Martell are finally being seen and the former having the biggest hit of the year and longest running #1 hit of the decade 5
Marla Singer Posted November 9 Posted November 9 34 minutes ago, Jon Snow said: less people are credited for COWBOY CARTER for the AOTY than The Tortured Poets Department and Short n Sweet That's insane considering that CC more than twice as many songs as SnS, and is deliberately eclectic in its range of sounds and influences and the use of samples while TTPD all sounds the same.
KKKIMO92 Posted November 9 Posted November 9 To me, the album is forgotten. And they basically said let's squeeze Beyoncé into every category possible. I bet no one pay more attention to how a country album can span pop, RNB, country, rap album cuts. She certainly didn't excel in all these categories, but heck, she's Beyoncé. This will only feed the flames higher into how powerful her husband is in this industry and yes, no one dare to mess with her. 1 2 3
Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 50 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said: That's true (although she has won in the general field before) But there's this narrative that she's snubbed by the grammys when she's literally the most grammy nominated artist and most decorated artist of all time (male or female)😭 meanwhile there's many legends and icons with zero wins, or just a few, and like 10 nominations And shes the one who lost the most, so theres that too lol
Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Also: Lets talk about how NO ONE bats on eye on Meryl Streeps record breaking Oscar nominations and makes a big fuzz about them. Shes just that ***** and great at acting. Doesnt mean she wins them all, she literally "only" has won 3 of her 20+ nominations I believe, but theres an agreement in the industry that Meryl is the GOAT. Similarly, Bey is treated in the music industry. When u factor in her range, her musical talent, her vocal abilities, her production value, her consistency, is it really that surprising she gets so many nominations? I dont think so 2
swissman Posted November 9 Posted November 9 19 hours ago, Blade Runner said: "Beyoncé" and "underrated" don't belong on the same sentence. Work on something else. The narrative is over. She's privileged. They belong in the same sentence relative to what the person is saying by using them in a sentence. Beyoncé may not be underrated as an artist. She's one of the best selling, most famous, most loved popstars of all time. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean many people don't underrate her, chiming in to diminish her success, call it PR, smoke-and-mirrors, hurl insults at her talents and say she's not deserving of praise or accolades. Are those people not underrating her? After decades of hard work and true talents put on display, working at a level far above most of her peers for most of her career, are people not selling her short by saying she isn't deserving of the success she has or the appreciation? I think, they absolutely are underrating her. That doesn't means some people may not be overrating her at the same time in other ways. That is because underrated / overrated doesn't have to be a constant. Someone can be both to two different people. It's a subjective opinion relative to one's perception of how someone is rated and treated. Also, being privileged and being over/underrated are different concepts. One is about assessing something's rating the other is about access, wealth, power, etc. Someone like Paris Hilton is extremely privileged, but someone could argue that her music is underrated. 3
on the line Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Very surprised, but it's politics and Beyonce gets her ass kissed for doing the bare minimum.
on the line Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 hours ago, judasmonster said: I'll say tho that it will be very disrespectful to her if she doesn't win AOTY or even a main category after all these nominations , you cant just praise this album with the most nominations for any album and use it as promo then only give a genre award. Entitlement is never a reason to win AOTY.
Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 12 minutes ago, on the line said: Entitlement is never a reason to win AOTY. Being male or a white female however is
on the line Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Being male or a white female however is Multiple things are usually true at the same time so you can spare me the deflection. Let's be real, even the majority of her hard-core stans don't think CC deserves AOTY. Just as with TTPD, it got a nomination based off the artist's name and prestige. That is literally entitlement.
Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 14 minutes ago, on the line said: Multiple things are usually true at the same time so you can spare me the deflection. Let's be real, even the majority of her hard-core stans don't think CC deserves AOTY. Just as with TTPD, it got a nomination based off the artist's name and prestige. That is literally entitlement. She became the first Black female to top several Country Charts in the US with Texas Hold Em and Cowboy Carter alike. She launched the career of Shaboozey who has the biggest hit of the year in the US, a BLACK male Country Artist. Yall love to say that the Hive trolls with "impact" discussions, but that right here is literal, tangible proof of impact. So yeah, suck it up @on the line
on the line Posted November 9 Posted November 9 13 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: She became the first Black female to top several Country Charts in the US with Texas Hold Em and Cowboy Carter alike. She launched the career of Shaboozey who has the biggest hit of the year in the US, a BLACK male Country Artist. Yall love to say that the Hive trolls with "impact" discussions, but that right here is literal, tangible proof of impact. So yeah, suck it up @on the line Sorry, but that impact is about everything but the actual music itself, and the public has overwhelming voted that the music is a dud. 1
Kristie Kuwa Posted November 9 Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, on the line said: Sorry, but that impact is about everything but the actual music itself, and the public has overwhelming voted that the music is a dud. How is topping charts witj a song not about music? Did she top these charts with thongs or makeup products? Were people consuming that?
on the line Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: How is topping charts witj a song not about music? Did she top these charts with thongs or makeup products? Were people consuming that? One cheesy song doesn't make an album (of the year). 1
syrus Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Not at all surprised. Yawn! I'm very happy for Deborah Cox today. A woman who puts in work and hasn't gotten 99 nominations. Finally got one! This industry throws Grammys at Beyonce while her fan base cries about AOTY. It's beyond annoying at this point. 1 1
Burn Posted November 9 Posted November 9 The girls still throwing hissy fits about this but Bey will still be the most nominated and most awarded Grammy artist of all time. Seethe. 1
Bad_vocal_technique Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Congratz but I'm ready for other people to be allowed in the room. Specially those who are releasing more coherent material and not some wack ego indulging mess like Cowboy Jay Z's last name. 1
BGKC Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 hour ago, KKKIMO92 said: To me, the album is forgotten. And they basically said let's squeeze Beyoncé into every category possible. I bet no one pay more attention to how a country album can span pop, RNB, country, rap album cuts. She certainly didn't excel in all these categories, but heck, she's Beyoncé. This will only feed the flames higher into how powerful her husband is in this industry and yes, no one dare to mess with her. She just can't keep getting away with these bare minimum eras and expect the GP to understand why she's deserving of such acclaim. All other mental gymnastics and conspiracies revolving Bey only helps fuel the ratings the Grammy's are truly desperate for. Thinking it's unworthy of AOTY is comical though. Every time I turn on pop radio it's the same few songs on heavy rotation and most of it IS mid. It would have been nice to change the station to hip hop and r&b and have Tyrant give us a ******* break from We Can't Be Friends, Espresso or Birds of A Feather being played for the the 11th millionth time. And if country music fans weren't so atrociously racist by rejecting her maybe we'd have beautiful song like Protector on country radio too. I'd also much rather see Bey and Miley perform together compared to Bruno and Gaga, but that's just me. Her performing American Requiem to ATRLs beloved GP (who chose Trump for another 4 years) would be enough to eat the girls up and prove to people that CC is a stellar musical experience.
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