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[Booyah]

Even hearing the word "Israel" makes me wanna puke 

[IVY]

10 hours ago, Adir said:

I'm not justifying their actions and they probably should have considered that, but the violence which was directed against them for whatever they did could not and should not be justified by any means.
There should be authorities that could have take care of them for their actions.

Well Israel is justifying everything it's committing in Gaza, killing thousands of children, destroying hospitals, and blocking most of the food aid reaching Gaza. But now you are saying that giving these hooligans what they deserve after they acted like racist pigs, destroying people's properties and attacking innocent civilians isn't justified. And the authorities did nothing in the first place and didn't protect their people, so the people took charge. 

[Adir]

1 minute ago, visions said:

At some point you have to recognise that chanting for a genocide IS an act of violence. A horrendous one. They got what they deserved, and I clap for that 

I never said it isn't, but it is definitely not something that can justify physical violence. Couldn't the attackers just chant for genocide back? 

[Adir]

1 minute ago, IVY said:

Well Israel is justifying everything it's committing in Gaza, killing thousands of children, destroying hospitals, and blocking most of the food aid reaching Gaza. But now you are saying that giving these hooligans what they deserve after they acted like racist pigs, destroying people's properties and attacking innocent civilians isn't justified. And the authorities did nothing in the first place and didn't protect their people, so the people took charge. 

Hamas slaughtered 1400 people on October 7th 2023 and took 250 Israeli hostages to Gaza, where 101 are still there. On the same day, Israel has decided that it will no longer accept the threat of Hamas at it's border and will do what is needed to bring back it's people and this is the 'justification' to this war.
What's happening in Gaza, where civilians are getting killed as the result of the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas is very sad, however Gaza is a very small and populated area and Hamas is utilising many civilians infrastructures to carry out it's attacks, which removes their protection by international law. 

What's happening here is a group of antisemites who got triggered by some racial chants went out and carried harsh violent attacks against any Israeli they could identify on the street, not specifically those who were chanting these stuff or took down a flag.
How can you even compare between these things?  

 

[Gui Blackout]

Ironically, all this does is create (more) fear and insecurity for European Jews, ultimately leading them to make Aliyah.

 

So congrats on making more Israelis lol

[Adir]

15 minutes ago, visions said:

Why is there always a time of day where all the zionist ATRLers come out of their holes and show everyone how stupid and evil they are  

Zionist are stupid and evil? Interesting, I actually see more stupid and evil comments in here from non-Zinoist ATRLers. 

[Adir]

12 minutes ago, Booyah said:

Even hearing the word "Israel" makes me wanna puke 

Go get help asap sis.

[visions]

8 minutes ago, Adir said:

I never said it isn't, but it is definitely not something that can justify physical violence. Couldn't the attackers just chant for genocide back? 

It absolutely does justify it. If you see a Nazi, punch them. If you see a zionist chanting for a genocide, PUNCH THEM.

 

If someone is actively trying to erase who you are from existence, with words or more, punch the c***s!

[Delirious]

Religion and straight men need to be stopped 

[Adir]

10 minutes ago, visions said:

It absolutely does justify it. If you see a Nazi, punch them. If you see a zionist chanting for a genocide, PUNCH THEM.

 

If someone is actively trying to erase who you are from existence, with words or more, punch the c***s!

Ok?


If you clearly support violence then I guess there's no point in having a discussion.
Wasn't it you who claimed zionists are stupid an evil?
Guess it's the other way around 

Edited November 8 by Adir

[visions]

5 minutes ago, Adir said:

Ok?


If you clearly support violence then I guess there's no point in having a discussion.
Wasn't it you who claimed zionist are stupid an evil?
Guess it's the other way around 

You're arguing punching Nazis and Zionists is worse than actually being a Zionist here. 
 

You really are so far gone. I wish you nothing but the worst for the rest of your life! 

[Yuanyu]

3 hours ago, Adir said:

Antisemitism at it's finest 

Rather, it is not to support the apology of genocide

[Adir]

Just now, visions said:

You're arguing punching Nazis and Zionists is worse than actually being a Zionist here. 
 

You really are so far gone. I wish you nothing but the worst for the rest of your life! 

If someone physically attacks you - you have every right to defend yourself and fight back, it doesn't matter if he's a Nazi, Zionist or whatever.
Physical violence should not be the answer in any other case.
My life is actually pretty awesome, I wish the same for you  
 

[Sheep]

@Adir if you're going to equate anti-genocide with antisemitism, you're not going to have less anti-genociders, you're going to make new antisemites. Anybody with a spine would rather be labeled an antisemite than to watch children be mowed down in the 10s of thousands. You're literally manufacturing hate for your own people. Give it up.

Edited November 8 by Sheep

[Adir]

19 minutes ago, Sheep said:

@Adir if you're going to equate anti-genocide with antisemitism, you're not going to have less anti-genociders, you're going to make new antisemites. Anybody with a spine would rather be labeled an antisemite than to watch children be mowed down in the 10s of thousands. You're literally manufacturing hate for your own people. Give it up.

These acts of violence aren't 'anti-genocide'. The people who carried them out clearly were targeting Israelis and Jewish regardless of their POV of the Gaza war.
The Israelis may have chanted a 'genocidal' chant, which I said I don't support a few times in this thread, but between a chant and an actual act of violence there's a long way. This should not justify these violent acts and it's sick to even try justifying it.

The fact that I'm here standing against violence directed against 'my people' and in your mind it 'generating' more hate against them is kinda disturbing btw 
Yes, they may have acted in a racist and vandalist way, but instead reporting them to the authorities, people decided they should be physically attacked. 

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Bumba]

Straight men. No matter religion, ethnicity, … a huge part of them have toxic masculinity issues. Us gays could never.

 

[Cyanide]

3 hours ago, canvey916 said:

Imagine traveling to another country, rioting through the streets, calling for genocide and the mass-murder of babies, committing hate crimes against any nonwhite person you come across...and then crying that *you're* the victim.

 

The Israeli KKK: coming to a city near you!

Well this is what they do, and then cry victim because they believe they are inherently superior, this thread and replies is a perfect example

[Cyanide]

3 hours ago, canvey916 said:

Imagine traveling to another country, rioting through the streets, calling for genocide and the mass-murder of babies, committing hate crimes against any nonwhite person you come across...and then crying that *you're* the victim.

 

The Israeli KKK: coming to a city near you!

Well this is what they do, and then cry victim because they believe they are inherently superior, this thread and replies is a perfect example

[Cyanide]

3 hours ago, canvey916 said:

Imagine traveling to another country, rioting through the streets, calling for genocide and the mass-murder of babies, committing hate crimes against any nonwhite person you come across...and then crying that *you're* the victim.

 

The Israeli KKK: coming to a city near you!

Well this is what they do, and then cry victim because they believe they are inherently superior, this thread and replies is a perfect example

[Sheep]

5 minutes ago, Adir said:

These acts of violence aren't 'anti-genocide'. The people who carried them out clearly were targeting Israelis and Jewish regardless of their POV of the Gaza war.
The Israelis may have chanted a 'genocidal' chant, which I said I don't support a few times in this thread, but between a chant and an actual act of violence there's a long way. This should not justify these violent acts and it's sick to even try justifying it.

Hate speech is a violent crime. Hate speech is also one of the weapons used to carry out a genocide. To get to the point of blowing up hospitals full of women and children because you think there might be a bad guy hiding somewhere underneath it, or using children as meat shields against supposed terrorists, you need to first dehumanize those women and children to the point that they're considered worthless collateral. You don't take those actions against lives you value, words are the deadliest weapon here.

 

Anybody with morals loves violence against genocide supporters. Sorry. I understand how your personal connection to this might make it easy to lose sight of the central issue but it's as simple as I laid it out in my previous post. 

[Cloudy]

1 hour ago, CozySkin said:

Hope you will feel it too soon. Disgusting af

Seethe. Theh are disgusting people

[Adir]

5 minutes ago, Sheep said:

Hate speech is a violent crime. Hate speech is also one of the weapons used to carry out a genocide. To get to the point of blowing up hospitals full of women and children because you think there might be a bad guy hiding somewhere underneath it, or using children as meat shields against supposed terrorists, you need to first dehumanize those women and children to the point that they're considered worthless collateral. You don't take those actions against lives you value, words are the deadliest weapon here.

 

Anybody with morals loves violence against genocide supporters. Sorry. I understand how your personal connection to this might make it easy to lose sight of the central issue but it's as simple as I laid it out in my previous post. 

It's funny that you say this when in every Pro-Palestinian protest there's a chant 'From the river to the sea' which clearly calls for the genocide of Jewish Israelis who are living in Israel.
I guess by your standards and morals we should love violence against them too, right?

Edited November 8 by Adir

[Sheep]

4 minutes ago, Adir said:

It's funny that you say this when in every Pro-Palestinian protest there's a chant 'From the river to the sea' which clearly calls for the genocide of Jewish Israelis who are living in Israel.
I guess by your standards and morals we should love violence against them too, right?

If roles were reversed and it was a free Palestine successfully carrying out a genocide I would be defending people's rights to want to see them beat the **** up, yes. That's not the current reality though.

Edited November 8 by Sheep

[IBeMe]

They deserve it. Also why are Israeli sports teams still allowed to play? Should all be banned until the war is halted and the occupation is reversed. 

[Luckitty]

1 hour ago, Adir said:

I never said it isn't, but it is definitely not something that can justify physical violence. Couldn't the attackers just chant for genocide back? 

if you chant for genocide and the people mentioned in the chants (arabs) come and beat your ass you shouldn't be shocked, and they're 100% justified

 

6 minutes ago, Adir said:

It's funny that you say this when in every Pro-Palestinian protest there's a chant 'From the river to the sea' which clearly calls for the genocide of Jewish Israelis who are living in Israel.
I guess by your standards and morals we should love violence against them too, right?

you only see it as a call for genocide because you want to genocide Palestinians so you're projecting your beliefs onto others