Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 37 minutes ago, CroNich said: lol go off sis the comment I was replying to was arguing that misogyny and racism was not one of the main factors due to number of women and POCs voting trump, and I was pointing out that women and POCs are capable of being misogynistic and racist respectively. Perhaps it's YOU that needs to do some reading comprehension before clicking reply so quickly. you weren't replying to anyone sis. you were talking generally about "people in here".
The7thStranger Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Thesedays said: This whole "why waste my time" thing doesn't really work when you keep hitting reply. You are wasting your time anyway but by refusing to actually answer what was asked or actually engage with the point, you are wasting your time with just pure vapidity. 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said: Creating more jobs than any other administration while coming out of a pandemic is "abandoning the working class"?? Cut the bullsh*t So the "working class" voted for a person whose going make life worst for them like he did in his first term FYI, When he says "working class" that only applies to yt ppl. Bernie go to hell… Trump won because the majority of yt ppl identity with yt supremacy and lations think they're close to whiteness more than considered "POC" Meanwhile, over at the real world: Edited November 7 by Thesedays 3
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, The7thStranger said: "I won't waste my time replying to you". Is on the third consecutive reply. Sis, if you can't defend your initial point just admit you were wrong and did not think it through lol. 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Komet said: Biden's admin was the most friendly one to the working class and unions in forever. It didn't matter. Harris' proposals included expading medicare, banning price gauging, limiting drug costs, lowering taxes for the low/middle class etc. It didn't matter. Well, maybe if she had chosen to focus her rallies and interviews on that instead of the Liz Chenney support it'd have helped.
IBeMe Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Bernie is right as usual. He should have NEVER endorsed Biden or Kamala. They represent a forced status that is destroying the Democratic Party and sabotaging populism from taking shape in the party. The old guard political class and elites will destroy the Democratic Party. Edited November 7 by IBeMe 2
QueenBeyoncé Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Meanwhile, over at the real world: Most of these were blocked by Republicans let's fkn not and related to Covid and let them expire because they need the "working class" to work 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, QueenBeyoncé said: Most of these were blocked by Republicans let's fkn not and related to Covid and let them expire because they need the "working class" to work Can you tell me what the Biden/Harris admin did to stop Republicans blocking them? Are they on record anywhere saying these anti-poverty measures shouldn't expire? Please, do link me to them!
Komet Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Thesedays said: Well, maybe if she had chosen to focus her rallies and interviews on that instead of the Liz Chenney support it'd have helped. Not sure what this revisionism and pretending 90% of her campaign was Cheney is doing. IIRC she did a rally with her on 3/10, and then panels on 21/10 in rep-friendly suburbias. That's what tanked her campaign? That's not even mentioning that they did in fact focus on those proposals. The economy has been by far the largest theme in the Harris campaign's paid media campaign. But while Trump and his allies have leaned into the issue of inflation, Harris and aligned Democratic groups have been more focused on taxes. The most-aired ad down the stretch from FF PAC, the massive Democratic super PAC, features a narrator and self-described "lifelong Republican" warning that Trump would put a "national sales tax" on imported goods, while promising that Harris wants a "tax cut for 1 million Americans." And the most-aired ad from the Harris campaign itself hits Trump's "Project 2025 agenda" — not just on the issue of abortion (though that's also mentioned), but as something that will drive up grocery prices and bring "tax breaks for billionaires." https://www.politico.com/harris-trump-ads-messaging-economy Harris and her allies have also made some strategic adjustments to the content of their broadcast TV advertising. In the first two weeks of October, tax policy ranked as the top issue, as spots about taxation drew about half of all broadcast TV ad spending, nearly $47 million, out of a total of about $95 million. Taxation has been a consistent point of emphasis in Democratic presidential advertising, part of a two-pronged approach – touting Harris' tax policies aimed at working and middle-class families, while also attacking Trump's approach and criticizing tax cuts for corporations and top earners. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/19/politics/campaign-advertising-tv-trump-harris/index.html
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Komet said: Not sure what this revisionism and pretending 90% of her campaign was Cheney is doing. IIRC she did a rally with her on 3/10, and then panels on 21/10 in rep-friendly suburbias. That's what tanked her campaign? Cheney's endorsement dominated social media and political coverage for days. She was sent as a surrogate to all types of media vehicles, from CNN to The View. No idea what this revisionism of pretending it was solely about a rally and panels is doing. Edited November 7 by Thesedays
CroNich Posted November 7 Posted November 7 25 minutes ago, Thesedays said: you weren't replying to anyone sis. you were talking generally about "people in here". There were specific comments I was responding to. This a FORUM hun… where we have discussions. I don't need to personally quote anyone to have a dialogue.
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Komet said: Hold on Wow, 2%!!!! Meanwhile we have Rashida Tlaib winning with 70% of the vote in a district, city and state where Kamala lost lol Funniest part of this stupid gotcha is that both won by almost the same thing in Vermont. But Vermont is a deep blue, affluent state. Kamala did OK-ish in Vermont because, besides being deep blue, she catered her campaign to affluent voters. Which is why she lost everywhere that really mattered. Which, y'know, is exactly Bernie's point lolll. On the other hand, Bernie's populist message makes him popular in Vermont but also everywhere else which, as it was clearly proved, is not Kamala's case. Edited November 7 by Thesedays 1
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 19 minutes ago, CroNich said: There were specific comments I was responding to. This a FORUM hun… where we have discussions. I don't need to personally quote anyone to have a dialogue. Sis, feel free to respond in whichever way you want. I was just clarifying that it wasn't lack of reading comprehension that made me not know exactly which message you replied to since you weren't replying to anyone. Once again, reading comprehension seems to be the issue. 1
CroNich Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Sis, feel free to respond in whichever way you want. I was just clarifying that it wasn't lack of reading comprehension that made me not know exactly which message you replied to since you weren't replying to anyone. Once again, reading comprehension seems to be the issue. You're right reading comprehension does seem to be an issue for you. Hope you get the help you need.
AaronBryceSufjan Posted November 7 Posted November 7 it will take american people another 4 years to realize things again. but I guess they won't have anyone apart from straight white males as candidates anymore for a considerably long time. Not saying Harris is a good candidate or had a qualified campaign, I just feel that's actually kinda sad if we think about it.
Mariano Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Both parties are there to uphold the status quo so yes he is right. I don't think that's really why she lost, but maybe it's not a bad thing that it happened. A white man with same campaign as Harris would've probably won, considering it was very close in the states that matter, but both things can be true. A woman like Harris could've maybe also won if she had actual progressive campaign like Bernie. A lot of people are tired of the system and unfortunately some of them vote for Trump, because they think he'll bring change. Obviously very misguided, but oh well..
applestar Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I know ATRL is a bubble, but it's crazy how some of you think being even more progressive would have resulted in anything more than a bigger loss Joe Biden literally had a better chance of beating Trump than Kamala. The USA will NEVER elect a female president anytime soon, that is so obvious it's almost sad that it has to be said Literally people voted for gas and grocery prices, it's not anything deeper than that 2
vale9001 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) It's so fun how you all now are "democrats should talk about real things average person cares. They Lost the common Person" And then in this forum you can't write the name of the Harry Potter writer cause She thinks what the 98% of the women existing in the planet thinks . So moderate women are moving from center to right more and more. Edited November 7 by vale9001 2
byzantium Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, applestar said: I know ATRL is a bubble, but it's crazy how some of you think being even more progressive would have resulted in anything more than a bigger loss Joe Biden literally had a better chance of beating Trump than Kamala. The USA will NEVER elect a female president anytime soon, that is so obvious it's almost sad that it has to be said Literally people voted for gas and grocery prices, it's not anything deeper than that The fact that people like you are still saying things like this makes me feel like republicans will keep winning. There is a fundamental lack of trust in American institutions and Trump, love him or hate him is a candidate that people at least trust. This doesn't cut in a political spectrum like you imply. Bernie over-indexed the other precisely the demographics that went to Trump and it would be against all our collective interests to continue to ignore this.
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, applestar said: Literally people voted for gas and grocery prices, it's not anything deeper than that So people wanted populist economic solutions and yet you think there was no apetite for progressive economic issues? What a smart analysis where one argument literally contradicts the other.
PoisonPill Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 hours ago, QueenBeyoncé said: Trump won because the majority of yt ppl identity with yt supremacy and lations think they're close to whiteness more than considered "POC" Keep shouting that into the ether as your side loses elections for the next 20 years
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