news Bernie Sanders speaks: Democrats defended the status quo while people demanded change

[constantinople]

2 hours ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Let's call it what it is America has a racist and a woman problem! And that's the bottom line! 

The american "left" will never wake up, uh?

 

[getBusy]

Wait, i agree with him BUT do we really think that telling folks that we'll tax billionaires and implement universal healthcare will get a Democratic candidate elected?

 

(honest question, i just don't know what to think anymore after yesterday's results, i'm completely lost)

Edited November 7 by getBusy

[on the line]

5 minutes ago, getBusy said:

Wait, i agree with him BUT do we really think that telling folks that we'll tax billionaires and implement universal healthcare will get a Democratic candidate elected?

 

(honest question, i just don't know what to think anymore after yesterday's results, i'm completely lost)

Oregon rejected a ballot measure to give all Oregon residents a yearly $1600 check funded by higher taxes on corporations making $25 million profit annually.

 

OREGON rejected this. The liberal state where it was legal to smoke fentayl/meth/crack/your pick on the street waving at a police officer.

 

So, no, I do not think this country is ready for that conversation. 

[Elementary]

That is true but the people were not demanding any "change" that old Bernie and his followers are pushing. 

[SUNSET BLVD]

Disagree with Bernie. 

[Støned]

Not an American, but I was wondering why they chose Kamala over Bernie.

 

Bernie seems to be the right person that could defeat Trump.

[softquerida]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Oregon rejected a ballot measure to give all Oregon residents a yearly $1600 check funded by higher taxes on corporations making $25 million profit annually.

 

OREGON rejected this. The liberal state where it was legal to smoke fentayl/meth/crack/your pick on the street waving at a police officer.

 

So, no, I do not think this country is ready for that conversation. 

Sorry, I'm not from the US. I've read that a lot of progressive initiatives that were part of the ballots were rejected, even in liberal states. Is there a way to push them again in the future, or are they ineligible for future elections?

[Marianah Adkins]

He was such a missed opportunity that I believed would have stopped this MAGAt mess. It is clear that the Dem establishment has a lot of reckoning to face because they have completely failed to take control of the narrative since 2016. They have been on the defensive against Trump when they should have been on the offensive, countering Trump's hateful message and narrative with a reasonant message and narrative of their own. 

The fact that the country swung hard to the right during the Biden administration is just….

[shimind]

This man who has not earned a single penny in his life through hard work and has just depended on tax payer funded salary like a leech should stop giving lectures. atleast kamala fought the fight with all her might and ran a campaign far better than hillary in just 2-3 months. He should walk the talk and resign and make way for the younger generation to enter politics but he won't? Because he is a leech who sucks off tax money for doing nothing. 

[elevate]

Yeah, he's absolutely right. I had hoped this would be a moment of reflection but with the 10 min I allowed myself on social media, liberals immediately took aim at non voters again (as they've been doing for the last several months), some even gloating that wars will worsen / grocery prices will rise, etc, without criticising how Dems failed to reach out to said voters. The same is true on ATRL. I also saw some people claiming Dems should be more right-wing. What exactly did you think Kamala was? 

 

Trump did not gain significant numbers from 2020 but voters overwhelmingly rejected Biden and Harris compared to their 2020 numbers. Dems should work on listening to the people who abandoned them with this election. Dems need a real left-wing government intent on taking on oligarchs. Voters should NOT admonish those who had (very real) issues with Biden / Harris. And please, no more Brat nonsense / endless superficial memes. Politics isn't funny or a game; lives are at stake. Take a moment to reflect rather than double down. This is just my opinion as an outside observer wishing the best for Americans and the world. 

[on the line]

20 minutes ago, softquerida said:

Sorry, I'm not from the US. I've read that a lot of progressive initiatives that were part of the ballots were rejected, even in liberal states. Is there a way to push them again in the future, or are they ineligible for future elections?

New ballot measures can be voted on again in future elections. They have to go through the whole process of being accepted to be on the ballot but it can be pretty much the same topic.

[Miss Show Business]

The Democratic party is worthy of criticism. But not from a guy who lost a primary contest twice. Leftist darling AOC said it best herself:

 

And by the way, y'all are NOT going to like the Democratic party that arises from this mess.

 

 

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, shimind said:

This man who has not earned a single penny in his life through hard work

He.... was a teacher and a health aide helping patients residing in mental hospitals before running for office? 

[CottageHore]

2 hours ago, byzantium said:

Your faith in American institutions is cute.  🥰 

Yall seriously need to stop with this ridiculous catastrophic thinking because you just look stupid.

 

It would be nearly impossible for any president to repeal the 22nd Amendment. And mind you, Trump only has 4 years left to get something that futile done. Trump would need either a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of state legislatures—neither of which has ever been successful since the 22nd Amendment was ratified like 75 years ago.

 

And even if they did attempt this, the repeal would need to be ratified by three-fourths of the states and who tf is voting for that (aside from absolutely insane Trump allies). The 22nd Amendment was designed specifically to prevent extended presidential power and it's the crux of our entire political system, people talk in hyperboles but the reality that any senator or representative (many of whose ultimate dream is to become president) would vote for this is slim, and certainly not a majority. "Yes, the American people voted for him again, who's to say they wouldn't support him in overthrowing the 22nd ammendment?!". They voted Trump out once already, they may be obsessed with him, but have *some* faith in the majority of American people to understand that even Trump is not worth overthrowing a tenant of our political system that keeps us from becoming a dictatorship or monarchy. 

 

Trump is inflammatory and it's why he has so many (vitriolic, mentally unstable) supporters and that's also why he has so many of you shaking in your boots over things he simply would likely never attempt and wouldn't be successful at even if he tried. He's manipulative and clearly powerful but ya'll give him way too much credit. Touch grass.

 

Edited November 7 by CottageHore

[Trent W]

I honestly think this man would repair the country in a certian degree

 

But he never had a chance and wouldn't have one in 2024

 

He is labeled as a socialist, most people in America hate that, under that label Trump would wash him.

 

Dems are done tho, if they pick another woman with celebrities endorsements for 2028,  Trump Jr or whatever successor to win. 

 

 

Edited November 7 by Trent W

[Filthy Pop]

He's right. I was a big Biden supporter in 2020 because I didn't think Bernie could win a general, but last night made it clear that people are not willing to settle for "lesser of two evils" anymore. 

The Dems have to make a massive shift towards working people and structural reform (over identity politics and celebrity endorsements) or they are toast.

[Relampago.]

He didn't lie, Dems completely lost the working class and they won't be able to win with only college educated/wealthy voters. 

 

And yes, the only option is to run left because running right nearly failed 3 times in a row. It doesn't work.

[PoisonPill]

4 hours ago, TeemoR said:

Also next time, no more celebrity endorsements. Enough.

Thank you. I was honestly shocked that she closed out the campaign with all the same pop stars that Hillary trotted out, like why recreate such a bad omen 

 

Edited November 7 by PoisonPill

[CroNich]

4 hours ago, Bloo said:

Which of these interpretations do you think is more actionable (i.e., useful for us to plan future political campaigns)?

• America is just xenophobic.
• There is widespread economic dissatisfaction that is leading people to use immigrants as a scapegoat for their economic problems that can be addressed with other policies.

You let me know which interpretation is more amenable to strategy.

—

OT: Bernie is right.

I understand your point, but both of those statements can and are true in this case. But yes, point taken.

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, CottageHore said:

Yall seriously need to stop with this ridiculous catastrophic thinking because you just look stupid.

 

It would be nearly impossible for any president to repeal the 22nd Amendment. And mind you, Trump only has 4 years left to get something that futile done. Trump would need either a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of state legislatures—neither of which has ever been successful since the 22nd Amendment was ratified like 75 years ago.

 

And even if they did attempt this, the repeal would need to be ratified by three-fourths of the states and who tf is voting for that (aside from absolutely insane Trump allies). The 22nd Amendment was designed specifically to prevent extended presidential power and it's the crux of our entire political system, people talk in hyperboles but the reality that any senator or representative (many of whose ultimate dream is to become president) would vote for this is slim, and certainly not a majority. "Yes, the American people voted for him again, who's to say they wouldn't support him in overthrowing the 22nd ammendment?!". They voted Trump out once already, they may be obsessed with him, but have *some* faith in the majority of American people to understand that even Trump is not worth overthrowing a tenant of our political system that keeps us from becoming a dictatorship or monarchy. 

 

Trump is inflammatory and it's why he has so many (vitriolic, mentally unstable) supporters and that's also why he has so many of you shaking in your boots over things he simply would likely never attempt and wouldn't be successful at even if he tried. He's manipulative and clearly powerful but ya'll give him way too much credit. Touch grass.

 

All this text to basically say that you think the Supreme Court would vote to not allow Trump to run again.  

[Bethenny Frankel]

I mean yes but realistically I don't see Bernie ever winning the presidency in 2016 OR 2020, despite him being a good voice of reason and voting for him in the primary

 

[Smilers]

Democrats keep trying to appeal to centrists and "meet in the middle" only to ******* lose anyway.
 

Meanwhile Republicans doesn't budge from their radical platform and still win because Dump (like him or not) is the perfect figure to drive their agenda. Democrats had that figure too with Bernie but they screwed him over twice and shot themselves in the foot.

 

Edited November 7 by Smilers

[Onyxmage]

Ironic considering Trump's tax plan gave the rich a permanent tax cut while screwing over the working class. I guess it was too hard to google that for most people so they blamed Biden for their taxes going up.  Not only that but Republicans ran on lowering inflation in 2022 so they could win the house and proceeded to pass exactly ZERO bills to fight inflation but yes lets blame Democrats.  

Edited November 7 by Onyxmage

[Prodigal Self]

9 minutes ago, Onyxmage said:

Ironic considering Trump's tax plan gave the rich a permanent tax cut while screwing over the working class. I guess it was too hard to google that for most people so they blamed Biden for their taxes going up.  Not only that but Republicans ran on lowering inflation in 2022 so they could win the house and proceeded to pass exactly ZERO bills to fight inflation but yes lets blame Democrats.  

Why would we blame them, ever? Life is GREAT! Keep up.

[Onyxmage]

Just now, Prodigal Self said:

Why would we blame them, ever? Life is GREAT! Keep up.

You can definitely have issues with Democrats but to say that Dems abandoned the working class when Republicans LITERALLY design tax bills specifically to benefit the rich is wild.