news Bernie Sanders speaks: Democrats defended the status quo while people demanded change

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, on the line said:

racism and misogyny was a factor in this election.

"The majority female and non-white electorate that elected Trump was proppelled by racism and sexism to support him". 

 

So either you're conceding Sanders is right that class-centered politics is the only way forward to navigate these prejudices or there's no point in the Democratic Party at all anymore.

 

White men can't elect Trump alone. Unless you have something actionable to stop the bleeding of marginalized voters to the couch, you're posturing without resolution.

 

 

Edited November 6 by Communion

[CottageHore]

1 hour ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

But working class think Trump & Republicans will help them? We're in this mess because of him! And Dems like always have to come clean it up then get blamed when Republicans destroy it!
 

 

Let's call it what it is America has a racist and a woman problem! And that's the bottom line! 

I mean tea but he's right. The Democratic Party has acted selfishly with concern only for party politics and playing to what will keep the big heads of the party in power. They've shown time and time again, they don't care about the American people, putting usual democrat voters in a position where they're sick of choosing between two sides of the same coin and so progressive voters don't show out anymore the way they used to. It feels fruitless. The republicans will likely be faced with a similar problem once Trump completes his last term, to a less detrimental degree. But the republicans have had one very engaging (albeit disgusting) figure to rally around for the last few election cycles. Once he's gone, they'll return to being divided and unable to make decisions too.

 

The Democratic Party did this to themselves and quite frankly, it's all on them. If Trump winning in 2016 and then the approval rating for Biden tanking obscenely among democratic voters while they continued to back him until it was too late wasn't a wake up call for the party, then maybe this will be.

Edited November 6 by CottageHore

[50thStateofMind]

58 minutes ago, Scheissex said:

It's not misogyny and racism… She wasn't a good candidate. It's really that simple. 

she was 100x the candidate trump is...don't blame her for America voting for a complete and utter moron.

[Dula Peep]

4 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

The republicans will likely be faced with a similar problem once Trump completes his last term. But the republicans have had one very engaging figure to rally around for the last few election cycles. Once he's gone, they'll return to being divided and unable to make decisions too.

 

Trump will only be "completing" his last term when he dies/is killed though.... lets be honest here..... 

[QueenBeyoncé]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

"The majority female and non-white electorate that elected Trump was proppelled by racism and sexism to support him". 

 

So either you're conceding Sanders is right that class-centered politics is the only way forward to navigate these prejudices or there's no point in the Democratic Party at all anymore.

 

White men can't elect Trump alone. Unless you have something actionable to stop the bleeding of marginalized voters to the couch, you're posturing without resolution.

 

 

Cut this bs "POC" because black women & men didn't vote for Trump it was Latinos that's their "POC" don't group my Black ppl in that shyt

[JO1s]

Sorry but the 2017-2019 era buzzfeed liberal takes are going to get us into an even worse situation. We need to stop pointing fingers and take accountability. A lot of liberal voters felt disenfranchised. 

[QueenBeyoncé]

1 hour ago, Scheissex said:

It's not misogyny and racism… She wasn't a good candidate. It's really that simple. 

She's a million times a better candidate than Trump! 

[byzantium]

Some Ivy League, belt line analyst is telling me that Sanders is wrong and if we look at the data people are doing really well and Democrats will continue to win.  

[Lagerfeld]

Yes, that's clearly why the majority of citizens voted TRUMP.

[CroNich]

As others have said he spilled.

 

The democrats need to be radicalised if they want to have any hope of beating this new-wave neo-nazi far-right movement that's taken over the Republican Party. Preaching the same old **** just isn't going to cut it anymore.

[Tm4074]

Bernie was correct in 2016, in 2020, and he's once again 100% correct. Democratic Party lost touch with their base long ago. They will never learn, unfortunately, because all they care about is keeping their corporate donors and following the money. Two party system is a failure. 

 

Liberals claiming misogyny, racism, and bigotry as the sole reason for Trump winning his SECOND presidential election is comical. No, the American people are over these center-right, status quo policies when they can't afford groceries, can't afford healthcare, childcare, etc. Trump of course is a con man and isn't going to help these people at all, but he offered something different than the status quo. Democratic Party need to clean house completely and serve their base otherwise it's over for them in future elections. Dems lost all branches of government, they have no power at all. We're screwed and it's their fault, not the voters.

 

 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Cut this bs "POC" because black women & men didn't vote for Trump it was Latinos that's their "POC" don't group my Black ppl in that shyt

39 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Every American is irredeemably racist and sexist on an ontological level besides black women... but also thus black women can never run for office as they will always lose"

Okay so you're saying we should just dissolve the Democratic Party completely.

[CandleGuy]

1 hour ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

But working class think Trump & Republicans will help them? We're in this mess because of him! And Dems like always have to come clean it up then get blamed when Republicans destroy it!
 

 

Let's call it what it is America has a racist and a woman problem! And that's the bottom line! 

Take your own personal opinion out of the equation for a moment. 

 

Trump connected with 50% of the country. Love him or hate him. 50% of the country feel like he represents them and were enthusiastically going to the polls to vote for him.

 

Kamala only participated in one Democratic primary (2020) and she failed miserably (2%). She was a historically weak candidate.

 

When you combine that with her low approval rating as VP and being obviously complicit with helping hide Biden's mental decline from the American public, how was this ever a candidate that people were going to trust, support, and enthusiastically vote for?

 

The DNC will never win if they just keep cherrypicking their corporate-friendly centrist candidates that do not at all resonate with the American people. We are so tired of voting for people who do not actually represent us. "Hold your nose and vote for Corporate Candidate X because they're not Trump!" is over.

Edited November 6 by CandleGuy

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Okay so you're saying we should just dissolve the Democratic Party completely.

Don't tempt me with hope! 

[CroNich]

People in here saying that race and misogyny weren't a factor because the majority of trump votes came from women and POCs - as if people can't have internalised misogyny, racism and homophobia 

Edited November 6 by CroNich

[Redstreak]

1 hour ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

But working class think Trump & Republicans will help them? We're in this mess because of him! And Dems like always have to come clean it up then get blamed when Republicans destroy it!
 

 

Let's call it what it is America has a racist and a woman problem! And that's the bottom line! 

The working class watched in 2016 (and even worse thumb pushing in 2020) as the Democratic Party fought tooth and nail to stamp out the one guy that fought for them by name in favor of Hillary clinton who views them with contempt and disgust, they were told then and there that the democratic status quo wasn't one that valued them and so they left

[JO1s]

1 minute ago, CroNich said:

People in here saying that race and misogyny weren't a factor because the majority of trump votes came from women and POCs - as if people can't have internalised misogyny, racism and homophobia 

Not saying it is, but finger pointing isn't helpful and won't help us move forward.

[superglowy]

2 minutes ago, CroNich said:

People in here saying that race and misogyny weren't a factor because the majority of trump votes came from women and POCs - as if people can't have internalised misogyny, racism and homophobia 

Said it before and I'll say it again, nobody hates Women more than Women.

[shoganai]

Bernie at 83 has more foresight and common sense than the actual democrats leadership. Crazy

[Bloo]

18 minutes ago, CroNich said:

People in here saying that race and misogyny weren't a factor because the majority of trump votes came from women and POCs - as if people can't have internalised misogyny, racism and homophobia 

Which of these interpretations do you think is more actionable (i.e., useful for us to plan future political campaigns)?

• America is just xenophobic.
• There is widespread economic dissatisfaction that is leading people to use immigrants as a scapegoat for their economic problems that can be addressed with other policies.

You let me know which interpretation is more amenable to strategy.

—

OT: Bernie is right.

[Tm4074]

 

Blame the DNC. We could of had President Bernie Sanders and avoided part 2 of this whole mess if they kept their greedy little hands to themselves in 2016 and 2020. This is their fault. 

[BOOMBAYAH]

Right-wing America views Kamala and the Democrats as dangerously leftist, while left-wing America sees them as elitist neoconservatives. The Democrats have lost both a solid base and public trust and need to rebuild their party entirely, otherwise they risk following the path of the UK Labour Party, which, despite repeated failures by the Conservative Party, remained unelectable for 14 years due to public disillusionment and distrust.

[on the line]

38 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

Take your own personal opinion out of the equation for a moment. 

 

Trump connected with 50% of the country. Love him or hate him. 50% of the country feel like he represents them and were enthusiastically going to the polls to vote for him.

 

Kamala only participated in one Democratic primary (2020) and she failed miserably (2%). She was a historically weak candidate.

 

When you combine that with her low approval rating as VP and being obviously complicit with helping hide Biden's mental decline from the American public, how was this ever a candidate that people were going to trust, support, and enthusiastically vote for?

 

The DNC will never win if they just keep cherrypicking their corporate-friendly centrist candidates that do not at all resonate with the American people. We are so tired of voting for people who do not actually represent us. "Hold your nose and vote for Corporate Candidate X because they're not Trump!" is over.

I want to remind us all that many far left in this forum were cheering for Kamala to be the nominee before Biden dropped out, only to immediately turn on her for not being the candidate of their fantasies when she never made any indicate she was going to push left.

 

I resisted Biden dropping out because I knew this would happen, and those same folks ridiculed me relentlessly. 

 

All to say, what an actual ******* mess that every lefties, far left, center left, progressive, politician, and citizen all contributed to this loss. All of us.

[CottageHore]

53 minutes ago, Dula Peep said:

Trump will only be "completing" his last term when he dies/is killed though.... lets be honest here..... 

He's already served one term, he can only serve one more. That's the 22nd amendment, babe! 

[byzantium]

10 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

He's already served one term, he can only serve one more. That's the 22nd amendment, babe! 

Your faith in American institutions is cute.  🥰