news Bernie Sanders speaks: Democrats defended the status quo while people demanded change

[PoisonPill]

5 minutes ago, dawnettakins said:

I'm sorry, but this is just simpleton and a cop-out. 80 million people didn't vote for Trump because they're all racists and misogynists. Plenty of women AND people of color voted for Trump, so they're suddenly racist and misogynistic against themselves?? Please be serious.

 

The bottom line is Americans wanted change and were screaming for something different and things to change.

 

They're sick of and fed up with the status quo. Deluded as they might be thinking Trump would bring this, they went with the person who is most against the establishment and how things are ran. Period. I don't agree and believe they're foolish because Trump isn't going to do anything but serve himself, but this is where we're at.

 

Democrats didn't do enough to speak to working people's issues and demonstrate they would bring about the change that is needed.

This message has been loud and clear for Democrats and the left since 2016, but it'll never click for them... It's harder to fundamentally change your party and worldview than to throw up their arms and say "Half of American voters (including millions of women and POC) are hateful bigots, there's nothing we can do!"

[John Slayne]

lash them king 

[Flanders]

100% but it's hard to distance yourself from the status quo when you have the presidency.
 

Bernie really is the president America needed but will never have

[Capris Groove]

8 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

Everyone irl I've talked to today has said people are just tired of the same celebrities being wheeled out every four years saying how it's the most important election of our lives and pushing candidates that don't offer anything beyond Trump Bad.

The Democratic Party branding across the country is awful and it's directly tied to the Clinton/Obama/Pelosi/Schumer grip on the party. They need to completely clean house and build something new from the ground up rooted in the FDR tradition with messages that sound like how actual living people speak and not corporate consultants.

Beautifully put.

[Graves]

Bernie had the amazing ability to position himself as an outsider like Trump did in 2016, the coalition he was building back then should've provided a future democrats could build upon. And in the 2020 primary we did see many of his positions being co-opted by other primary candidates, even Harris herself. It felt like we were pushing in the right direction.

 

The Biden presidency was a huge rejection of all of that, putting "electability" above real change and sidelining so many grassroots ideas. Harris was never a very likable candidate to the GP, but a lot of her rejection yesterday was down to the Biden admin and her inability to separate herself from it. People want real change, not status quo neoliberalism. Not big tent, "we need a strong Republican Party" spinelessness.

 

2020 should've been the moment the dems pushed themselves forward as a working class party again, not one obsessed with chasing right leaning independents or dissatisfied republicans. Maybe they'll finally get that for 2028. 

 

 

[Bubble Tea]

20 minutes ago, dawnettakins said:

I'm sorry, but this is just simpleton and a cop-out. 80 million people didn't vote for Trump because they're all racists and misogynists. Plenty of women AND people of color voted for Trump, so they're suddenly racist and misogynistic against themselves?? Please be serious.

 

The bottom line is Americans wanted change and were screaming for something different and things to change.

 

They're sick of and fed up with the status quo. Deluded as they might be thinking Trump would bring this, they went with the person who is most against the establishment and how things are ran. Period. I don't agree and believe they're foolish because Trump isn't going to do anything but serve himself, but this is where we're at.

 

Democrats didn't do enough to speak to working people's issues and demonstrate they would bring about the change that is needed.

Sad but true. The Democrat format of the last three elections, including where Biden only narrowly won, has shown that Americans are not happy with the centrist-left Democrats. They want to see their government help to improve and change their lives for the better. Clearly Biden/Kamala has not given them that and they are feeling desperate.

 

Now the sad thing is that Trump won't do anything to help them other than further line the pockets of the rich because all he cares about is himself and how other people view him (powerful and surrounded by fellow wealthy, powerful allies). But the illusion of "change" was more than enough to get people to vote for him.

 

Next Democrat campaign needs to be bold and brave - the absolute certainty of a functioning free healthcare system, a kind but firm stance on managing immigration problems, an end to the financing of foreign wars. Enough really is enough.

[on the line]

13 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

The Democratic Party branding across the country is awful and it's directly tied to the Clinton/Obama/Pelosi/Schumer grip on the party. They need to completely clean house and build something new from the ground up rooted in the FDR tradition with messages that sound like how actual living people speak and not corporate consultants.

It's easy to say this and pass the blame, but none of that was ever going to happen for Dems this election so making this a referendum on that is ******* mental. 

 

Also, let's not give Americans a pass for being "tired of celebrities every 4 years saying bad trump" when Trump is literally an expired celebrity reciting lie after lie after lie after lie while saying "dems bad!!!!"

 

Stop giving him benefit of the doubt when he's proven to be full of ****.

[QueenBeyoncé]

24 minutes ago, Scheissex said:

It's not misogyny and racism… She wasn't a good candidate. It's really that simple. 

Please, who voted Trump in were white males white women/latino men who voted against themselves.. America has a misogyny and racism problem. I don't expect an old white man to understand that 

Edited November 6 by QueenBeyoncé

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Please, who voted Trump in were white males white woman/latino men who voted against themselves

"Every American is irredeemably racist and sexist on an ontological level besides black women... but also thus black women can never run for office as they will always lose"

 

 

Edited November 6 by Communion

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Please, who voted Trump in were white males white woman/latino men who voted against themselves.. America has a misogyny and racism problem. I don't expect an old white man to understand that 

For real.

 

Young men shifted 30 points (or something wild, hard to keep track right now) from an old white man Biden to an old white man Trump to avoid voting for a poc female. I can guarantee you that shift was not bc of Palestine. Lmao

 

We see misogyny in this forum daily. The truth is crystal ******* clear: America is racist and misogynistic 

[on the line]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Every American is irredeemably racist and sexist on an ontological level besides black women... but also thus black women can never run for office as they will always lose"

 

 

You're cherry picking what you respond to, per usual, in bad faith. Nobody has said that is the only reason, but it is clearly a reason. 

 

Eta:

 

******* WILD seeing the far left deny racism and misogyny playing a role in our elections. What a ******* twilight zone the last 24 hours have been.

Edited November 6 by on the line

[TeemoR]

very well said.

[TeemoR]

49 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

But working class think Trump & Republicans will help them? We're in this mess because of him! And Dems like always have to come clean it up then get blamed when Republicans destroy it!
 

 

Let's call it what it is America has a racist and a woman problem! And that's the bottom line! 

America is racist and sexist. Kamala suffered from both. But that wasn't the only issue. 

[Communion]

Just now, on the line said:

You're cherry picking what you respond to, per usual, in bad faith. Nobody has said that is the only reason, but it is clearly a rereason. 

You are literally one of the very kind of people who caused this loss. No one is going to engage with you after the year you spent on here spouting right wing nonsense. 

 

Dems traded in working class voters for self-described middle class affluent voters like yourself and your compatriots simply did not come out to vote like promised. 

 

Your argument that Dems should form a coallition amongst the educated and well-off not only didn't see those Liz Cheney independents switch to Dems but Harris will have overseen the largest loss of poor voters of color for Dems in decades. Dems have for decades won working class voters. 

 

Biden and Harris should be ashamed for how badly those chose to lose. 

[dawnettakins]

25 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

This message has been loud and clear for Democrats and the left since 2016, but it'll never click for them... It's harder to fundamentally change your party and worldview than to throw up their arms and say "Half of American voters (including millions of women and POC) are hateful bigots, there's nothing we can do!"

Couldn't agree more. And, unfortunately, it isn't going to clear this time either. They'll just blame voters and certain demographics who they don't believe showed up for them.

 

Much easier to just pretend everyone voting for Trump is a bigot and hateful rather than look in the mirror and genuinely reflect on the reality and why they did. 

 

14 minutes ago, Bubble Tea said:

Sad but true. The Democrat format of the last three elections, including where Biden only narrowly won, has shown that Americans are not happy with the centrist-left Democrats. They want to see their government help to improve and change their lives for the better. Clearly Biden/Kamala has not given them that and they are feeling desperate.

 

Now the sad thing is that Trump won't do anything to help them other than further line the pockets of the rich because all he cares about is himself and how other people view him (powerful and surrounded by fellow wealthy, powerful allies). But the illusion of "change" was more than enough to get people to vote for him.

 

Next Democrat campaign needs to be bold and brave - the absolute certainty of a functioning free healthcare system, a kind but firm stance on managing immigration problems, an end to the financing of foreign wars. Enough really is enough.

Yup. Wrapping themselves up in the elite and cosplaying with neocon Republicans just pushes people further away, yet it's what corporate Dems and leadership continues to do. Likely won't learn the lesson this time around either, but they do so at their own peril.

 

Blaming voters and demographic groups will only further exacerbate this and push people even more away. 

 

All the leftists and Dems shaming and ridiculing people who vote Trump and his supporters, yet even more people came out to vote for the guy. So clearly that strategy and "Trump bad" ain't working!

[TeemoR]

Also next time, no more celebrity endorsements. Enough.

[on the line]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You are literally one of the very kind of people who caused this loss. No one is going to engage with you after the year you spent on here spouting right wing nonsense. 

 

Dems traded in working class voters for self-described middle class affluent voters like yourself and your compatriots simply did not come out to vote like promised. 

 

Your argument that Dems should form a coallition amongst the educated and well-off not only didn't see those Liz Cheney independents switch to Dems but Harris will have overseen the largest loss of poor voters of color for Dems in decades. Dems have for decades won working class voters. 

 

Biden and Harris should be ashamed for how badly those chose to lose. 

Full stop.

 

YOU legit just denied racism and misogyny was a factor in this election. What the actual ****. 

 

You are a troll. So glad to see so many others call you out more and more and more.

[PrettyHurts]

he spilled . demorats are so out of touch. maga appealed to the average american, the brat candidate did not 

[QueenBeyoncé]

12 minutes ago, on the line said:

For real.

 

Young men shifted 30 points (or something wild, hard to keep track right now) from an old white man Biden to an old white man Trump to avoid voting for a poc female. I can guarantee you that shift was not bc of Palestine. Lmao

 

We see misogyny in this forum daily. The truth is crystal ******* clear: America is racist and misogynistic 

The bottom line! They can cut the bull crap! America was built on racism and misogyny and Trump spoke to that! Trump has no plan to better Americans lives 

 

Edited November 6 by QueenBeyoncé

[ontherocks]

17 minutes ago, Bubble Tea said:

Sad but true. The Democrat format of the last three elections, including where Biden only narrowly won, has shown that Americans are not happy with the centrist-left. 

You could have stopped there. Americans reject the left. That is the bottom line. We don't live in a world anymore that values equality. We ridicule those who are in a bad place. We consider those weak who express their struggles. We don't want equality, fair chances for everybody or any of that. We want to benefit from short term profit. We want to get ahead no matter what. That is the reality we live in. Those are most of the ppl who surround you and me and they are not afraid to vote accordingly.

[mxoonlight]

I miss him

[Dula Peep]

its now very clear to me he would've beat Trump in 2016 if the etabished Dems didn't run him out 

[nadiamendell]

He's right. And can we agree to finally let the people choose their candidate in the primaries instead of having the DNC interfere/pick the candidate? The last time we had an "organic" choice was Obama.... 16 YEARS ago. 

[on the line]

7 minutes ago, Dula Peep said:

its now very clear to me he would've beat Trump in 2016 if the etabished Dems didn't run him out 

I still remember being told, as a Bernie supporter in 2016, that Hilary didn't need white people to win bc the black caucus would win the election for her. 8 years later, and I still can't shake that feeling of dread knowing we were going to lose.

[Raver]

Had the DNC not cheated Bernie back in 2016 we would not be in this mess