discussion Gen Z is conservative. What's your opinion?

[Mr. Mendes]

My opinion is that we have to stop ignoring what's happening to young people. Their spiral into right wing echo chambers is completely avoidable and yet there is nobody that is there to stop it from happening or to pull them back from that ledge. It's rather evident that we have to start reaching out to them and trying to pull them away from that instead of completely pretending they don't exist. 

[PoisonPill]

Except that conclusion isn't supported by the actual data. However, there is a bigger gender divide on politics for Gen z than millennials.

[bestfiction]

It's true, I've been thinking about this for a while. We're leaving in our own little bubble

[DAP]

It'll get worse as long as no one's basic needs are being met. We condition a man's sense of value/masculinity to his employment and his ability as a family caretaker, yet act surprised when they have identity issues from being paid too little to fulfill said role and all the associated ideas they've been indoctrinated to for all of their lives. Right wing culture war flunkies don't say anything substantive but they don't have to because on a fundamental level, they acknowledge their despair, which many on the left seldom do if ever.

[VelvetCrush]

6 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

Gurl, have you seen the turnout rate of latinos, asian and black men for trump? It's not just white men in this case anymore. It's a systematic issue.

Ok it's still a men issue then

Don't lump us genz girlies with those ppl

[Edonis]

People are really underestimating how much of a negative toll social media has taken on younger, more impressionable, audiences. And it's been a gradual, global thing, not an overnight shift. 

[LegaMyth]

Gen Z is making up TikTok dances to the Cha-Cha slide.

[Worm]

7 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

 

I feel like covers part or it. I'm experiencing the same thing with my brother. He's falling into the Andrew Tate/Elon Musk TikTok pipeline and I don't know what to do. I've tried to educate him, but it's hard when that kind of propaganda is so prevalent.

You're never going to be able to out-propaganda the propaganda. It's useless to try to educate him on left wing politics, because left wing ideals are usually about acknowledging some very uncomfortable truths about ourselves and our society, and generally opening our eyes to a corrupt and deeply flawed system. Whereas the right wing offers a clear sense of validation and belonging (if you fall within the correct demographics), an easy-to-digest simplification of what are complex and multi-layered real world issues, a (false) easy answer to economic downturn and uncertainty, and an outside entity to blame for any personal failures or societal issues. 

In my opinion your focus should not be about educating but about empathising. Think about the challenges someone his age is facing in the modern world. Think about the underlying psychological needs that are being preyed upon and exploited by right wing propaganda and influencers. Seek to broach difficult conversations with curiosity about his beliefs rather than judgment, and aim to start from a place of validating rather than contradicting his experiences and opinions - because a great many people are becoming susceptible to right wing ideals and rhetoric, and the number has grown far higher than we can convincingly explain away as all being racist, evil, or prejudiced people. 

Rather than trying to out-talk everything he sees online, I think the more effective approach is to use empathy, compassion and understanding to try to identify and heal the vulnerable surfaces that right wing propaganda is currently latching onto in his mind. Whether this is about developing his own sense of self-worth, combatting feelings of insecurity and hopelessness, finding a positive group identity outside of politics, or finding ways to give him a sense of agency in his life through goals and ambitions, you need to attack the thing that makes right wing ideology 'feel right' to him, rather than trying to intellectually persuade him that left wing ideology is more correct or more moral. That's just my 2¢ anyway.

[Princess Aurora]

13 hours ago, dawnettakins said:

It's literally the economy, the elite, and the establishment failing us. People feel they are being left behind and not being represented, and it's totally fair because it's honestly true.

 

People are just giving a big **** you to the establishment and those in power by voting for the wildcard, anti-establishment candidates because they feel that might at least start a fire, burn things down, and allow for something else. Or at least bring some type of change, and even if they're being foolish, they're not exactly wrong for wanting something different. Society is failing most people as most of us are barely scraping by in most cases.

 

That can't keep up and keep going without a reaction and people saying they've had enough. Which now they have (again).

Yeah but by voting for people like that, it won't really change much. They're still part of the establishment they despise....

Edited November 7 by Princess Aurora

[Lil' Oz]

Privileged people will do whatever they can to hold onto that privilege. They will stop racial equality at any cost as they feel threatened by it. It's not any different for Gen Z, so this is not surprising.

[The7thStranger]

13 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

 

I feel like covers part or it. I'm experiencing the same thing with my brother. He's falling into the Andrew Tate/Elon Musk TikTok pipeline and I don't know what to do. I've tried to educate him, but it's hard when that kind of propaganda is so prevalent.

It's designed so that your average viewer is desensitized to outside opinion (as way as violence and injustice) and conditioned to only respect traditional images of male success, e.g., sports cars, lots of money, gold, designer clothes, and women hanging on their arm. If that description doesn't fit you, he's unfortunately not going to be open to hearing what you have to say.

[MistressKay]

It's the young men.

they are lonely, socially awkward and raised on YouTube.

 

I was at a bar ( well an after hours) last night and these two guys approach me (I'm trans by the way)

 

they weren't bothered by it but the mental gymnastic they were pulling on me that trump and Elon are good and not against lgbt was amazing. Like how are you going to tell a whole trans woman this! Then they tried to make me go home with them! Typical! 

 

 

Edited November 7 by MistressKay

[tshwark]

It was bound to happen, when you start canceling people for mispronouncing genders instead of educating them, it snowballs.

Edited November 7 by tshwark

[ifyouseekLEM]

22 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

What Jane Fonda said.

Lord Jesus 

[Khal]

It's scary and happening before our eyes and I'm not sure what to do tbh. It's not even just an Anglosphere thing either, it seems to be WW.

 

I've seen some (well-intentioned) suggestions, but the thing is, moving to the right requires less work than moving to the left- all you have to do is focus on yourself- me, me, me to the exclusion of other demographics. How are you going to convince people to walk the harder path?

[Anthinos]

Progressives have a problem with young men in particular. We need to separate our fight for human rights from polarizing and divisive identity politics and accusations of privilege. We need to emphasize the common and be a tent for all people. What I also don't like is the constant finger pointing. White men are to blame, white women, now Latinos too. Even if the majority of these groups vote right there is still a large portion that did not. Leave this extreme identity politics to the right. We should bring people together.

Edited November 7 by Anthinos

[Armani?]

18 hours ago, Rep2000 said:

Gurl, have you seen the turnout rate of latinos, asian and black men for trump? It's not just white men in this case anymore. It's a systematic issue.

 

12 hours ago, VelvetCrush said:

Ok it's still a men issue then

Don't lump us genz girlies with those ppl

Black Men did not cost you the election, they voted more Democratic than literally everyone else other than Black women like in every other cycle. The shift was stagnate, Trump went from 19% last election to 21% now with the exit poll updated, before it was at 20%

 

Latino Men though swung from 36% Trump in 2020 to 55% Trump 2024

 

Even Latina Women plummeted for Kamala, it was 69% Biden in 2020, down to 60% for her. That's 9 ******* pts

 

There was a shift with Asian Men also but we probably need more polling data before saying anything because of the sample size.

 

Stop trying to sneak in Black men.

[Reginald]

I'm going to take a moment here to spill my thoughts. 

 

The majority of Gen Z has proven themselves to be lackadaisical wimps with no backbone. They were born into a world of luxury, greed, and comfort. All of the hard-fought rights that the Silent Gen, Boomers (yes, there are good Boomers) X, and Millennials won are squandered on Z, because they were born with silver spoons in their mouths.

These Zs know nothing of strife or hardship, so they see nothing worth defending. 

 

It's sad that Z will end up having less rights than their grandparents, but if you can't be assed to show up and VOTE, everything you love will be stripped away. As a Millennial who grew up on stories of my great grandmother's life in the early 20th century, I was told what it means to live without freedom, respect, and self-governance.

 

I am BEGGING Zs: if you want a world worth living in, you MUST fight for it. 

[FantasyRide]

Right wing grifters and conservative religions that allow lonely people to feel part of a community (both of which reinforce the other) are on the rise on social media so it makes sense. It helps that those people also have common enemies. 

[Rep2000]

27 minutes ago, Armani? said:

 

Black Men did not cost you the election, they voted more Democratic than literally everyone else other than Black women like in every other cycle. The shift was stagnate, Trump went from 19% last election to 21% now with the exit poll updated, before it was at 20%

 

Latino Men though swung from 36% Trump in 2020 to 55% Trump 2024

 

Even Latina Women plummeted for Kamala, it was 69% Biden in 2020, down to 60% for her. That's 9 ******* pts

 

There was a shift with Asian Men also but we probably need more polling data before saying anything because of the sample size.

 

Stop trying to sneak in Black men.

But we are talking about Gen Z here. And based on all the available stats we have as of now, there's a much bigger % of gen Z/men across all races have voted Trump more than even the boomers.

Black men are not suddenly immune to this effect. Stop acting like this is a personal attack.

Edited November 7 by Rep2000

[JoJo]

Gen Z is not conservative. Gen Z is polarized. While I'd say that this majority is still moderate or apathetic, there a far more people who are on the far right and far left than compared to other generations.
 

Gen Z leftists repeatedly said that they weren't going to vote for Kamala due to Gaza, and since Kamala lost 15 million votes compared to Biden, I think a good amount of them just didn't show up. The Gen Z right was energized. Gen Z left was not.

 

anyway, politics will be even worse in the next 20 years. The Gen Z far right is unapologetic about their interest in Nazism and fascism. Gen Z leftists need to organize.

Edited November 7 by JoJo

[Armani?]

27 minutes ago, Rep2000 said:

But we are talking about Gen Z here. And based on all the available stats we have as of now, there's a much bigger % of gen Z/men across all races have voted Trump more than even the boomers.

Black men are not suddenly immune to this effect. Stop acting like this is a personal attack.

There was no big difference if Black men overall shifted 2ptsBut if we're going to look at the breakdown then, sure. Still the same result as the overall number nationwide for 18 - 29

 

Also this thread is lowkey ignoring Kamala is down with women compared to Biden. She got 61% of Gen Z Women vs Biden with 67%, that's a significant change of 6pts, not Black men

 

Go scapegoat amongst yourselves without naming your most solid voting block, it's dumb

[Capris Groove]

It's not a surprise that in such a chaotic world where their earliest point of reference is the digital age, they would shift back to 'traditional' values, where they assumed things were working. There's a huge crisis of male loneliness for instance which no one is reasonably talking about. Young girls, too, saw a huge spike in anxiety/depression since the advent of social media, which again no one is doing anything about. Combine that with pretty much all our leaders and our establishment talking like 50 year olds to 50 year olds, and it's no wonder they're seeking alternatives.

[Princess Aurora]

23 hours ago, shimind said:

Good for them. It seems like conservatism is here to stay for many more decades. 

Don't cry when homosexuality becomes illegal then......

[shimind]

1 minute ago, Princess Aurora said:

Don't cry when homosexuality becomes illegal then......

I won't. Gays don't even need marriage. Just look at grindr. All they want is szx szx szx