base talk Is Karol G? Underlooked by the Anglo World?

[AvadaKedavra]

I'm not really a fan because her songs lean too heavily into reggaeton and that 'barrio' aesthetic for my taste, but she seems like a sweetheart.
Her tours are highly profitable-successful, and her songs are big hits, i like her a lot

yet I rarely see her mentioned by Americans or Europeans.



It's like people know she's out there and slaying but don't give her enough clicks-attention
Why do you think that is?
Could it be racism?
xenophobia cause she's not an american born latina or european? like rosalia,camila,cardi b,selena,kali uchis........
, or maybe that Karol G just doesn't have the same magnetic pull-golden midas touch
as the legendary goddess supreme empress of pop Shakira? 


 

What's your opinion on Karol G?

Do you see potential for her to grow even bigger internationally, or has she limited herself too much to her Latino audience?  or maybe shes too culturally different to appeal to americans? dont know

Do you think she'll keep up her current massive success, or could her fame start to decline in the next years, like we're starting to see with Bad Bunny?



Do you have a favorite song from her?
My fave from her is the song with Tiesto and the Bichote one with arabic vibes 
Gracias por sus comentarios futuros amorcitos  pollitas
 

 

 

Edited October 26 by AvadaKedavra

[EtherealCat]

no, its not like shes made any efforts to break into those markets

[UrMom]

I've been meaning to check out her work. Her song with Shakira was EVERYTHING 

[HANZ94]

she is not pretty enough 

simple as that 

[LovingDays]

13 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

xenophobia cause she's not an american born latina or european? like rosalia,camila,cardi b,selena,kali uchis........

Not necessarily xenophobia but more that most Americans probably aren't willing to listen to music that isn't in English. Looking at her top 10 on Spotify, it's all Spanish. All the artists you mentioned also have songs in English, so if they were to have an American audience, I would imagine they were introduced to them by those English-language songs.

 

13 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

What's your opinion on Karol G?

I like some of the songs but that's because I heard them on the radio (a hispanic station ) and not because I saw them online or heard them through a friend or something like that.

 

13 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Do you see potential for her to grow even bigger internationally, or has she limited herself too much to her Latino audience?  or maybe shes too culturally different to appeal to americans? dont know

If she tries a crossover album like Shakira's Laundry Service, I could see her smashing here with a good rollout. 
 

[AvadaKedavra]

9 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

no, its not like shes made any efforts to break into those markets

Not many talk about it in our current times, but going mainstream in English can really upset the original fanbase.
When Shakira crossed over into the English-speaking market, she lost millions of fans. A lot of people felt betrayed and called her a Sellout.
To this day there's still so many fans who are like............Oh Shakira. She ruined everything when she "Americanized herself"
But her hits were stronger than the backlash and she added millions of fans with the english crossover
You as a fan u probably remember how things were if youre one of the old fans.


I feel like Karol G would have an even harder time with it because her brand is just so deeply, unapologetically Latin—like, 'I'm one of you. soy como ustedes gente'
Los latinos nunca le perdonarian si ella sale con un Laundry Service  asi como a bad bunny muchos no le perdonan lo de las kardashians

Edited October 26 by AvadaKedavra

[CocoPouf]

Mh she sells more records and tour tickets in Europe and North America than Rosalia? Rosalia is quite a flop numbers-wise, she is a yassified "it girl"... 

[AvadaKedavra]

3 minutes ago, LovingDays said:

Not necessarily xenophobia but more that most Americans probably aren't willing to listen to music that isn't in English. Looking at her top 10 on Spotify, it's all Spanish. All the artists you mentioned also have songs in English, so if they were to have an American audience, I would imagine they were introduced to them by those English-language songs.

 

I like some of the songs but that's because I heard them on the radio (a hispanic station ) and not because I saw them online or heard them through a friend or something like that.

 

If she tries a crossover album like Shakira's Laundry Service, I could see her smashing here with a good rollout. 
 

Thank you for your thoughts. I've never liked when people try to gatekeep non-English artists, telling them they're already successful enough in their native language and don't need to sing in English. Thats accurate but i think Singing in English is what really boosts relevance in the U.S., CAN, UK,AUS,NZ, and Europe. Like it or not, the American machine will always give more visibility to English-speaking artists over others. 
 

If I were a pop artist, I'd release songs in Spanish but also plenty in English to build a broader fanbase and gain more influence—Have the best of both worlds
just like Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin, and Shakira did in their early days  

Thanks everyone for your comments. Keep em comin

[Raver]

They see thru her fake bs

[CocoPouf]

22 minutes ago, HANZ94 said:

she is not pretty enough 

simple as that 

Popstars don't have to be "pretty": Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta is an example, one of the biggest pop stars yet looks are not her strongest asset. 

[gab00]

She does her thing in spanish and She's good with latino music but I just cant see her crossovering to english music. 

 

I feel like crossovers almost never works. Shakira had ONE succesful era in english and the belly dancing thing helped her a Lot.

 

Paulina Rubio tried and failed miserably.

[gab00]

7 minutes ago, CocoPouf said:

Popstars don't have to be "pretty": Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta is an example, one of the biggest pop stars yet looks are not her strongest asset. 

Gaga is white and american.

[Iceland]

Her laundry service is coming

[BrattyBottom]

32 minutes ago, HANZ94 said:

she is not pretty enough 

simple as that 

Exactly this 

[unclefloprry]

Bad Bunny is known because he makes appearances in WWE, F1, NBA, movies and series that incels and white people like. That's why he is the most famous and successful Latin artist right now. 
 

But other than him, Americans are not interested in Latin/Spanish artists. 
 

Shakira is only mentioned because she is famous for her old works and the legend she is but they don't bother listening to her new stuff, that's why Punteria with Cardi B flopped and she is struggling to sell a show in a city with few Latinos. 



 

Rosalía has been trying to break into the US since 2019: Billie, Travis, The Weeknd, Cardi, James Blake, Lisa, Bjork... but americans keep saying NO.
 

Karol's attempt to enter the "real" american market could backfire, as happened with Anitta's career... from Brazilian princess to nobody.

[unclefloprry]

I think Karol could still being successful with the right Latin songs instead of trying to sing in english and change her whole image like Latinos did in the 2000s. 
 

SATHC is the only latin song charting in Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Poland and more.

Edited October 26 by unclefloprry

[CocoPouf]

On Topic:

I don't think she needs to do a crossover record. Her career is big, and if she keeps targeting latinos it will be bigger. What's the point in doing crossover? She had a #1 Billboard 200 record, yes, with a Latino audience, but is this happening with artists from France, Italy, Mexico, Argentina, or any other random country? Nope, is not happening. So she is fine. 

[CocoPouf]

Just now, unclefloprry said:

I think Karol could still binge successful with the right Latin songs instead of trying to sing in english and change her whole image like Latinos did in the 2000s. 
 

SATHC is the only latin song charting in Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Poland and more.

I highly dislike your posts when you want to play the "blind bimbo stan" game, but I couldn't agree more with the posts you made here. 

[AvadaKedavra]

2 minutes ago, CocoPouf said:

Mh she sells more records and tour tickets in Europe and North America than Rosalia? Rosalia is quite a flop numbers-wise, she is a yassified "it girl"... 

Rosalía is Highly hyped in English music circles, but in Latin America, she doesn't get the same love.  She's liked but not in the level of karol g-shakira.
There's a lot of tension between Latin America and Spain—Spanish people can sometimes come across as condescending to Latinos.
I know so many Latinos-friends-family who've lived in Spain and faced mistreatment,racism attacks...... even being called criminals-SUDACAS.
There are tons of videos on Youtube of latinos talkin about their bad experiences in Spain
Even Shakira was mistreated and seen as "Less" "Lower Class" by Gerard Pique Catalunian Family   crazily...
 

This has left a lot of Latinos feeling like Spanish artists don't really belong here. To many here, they come off as colonizers with a superiority complex.
They liked them but they dont see tham as essential to us. Theyre very wary of them
Rosalía, especially, has gotten a lot of backlash for her recent shade toward Karol G singing merengue and copying despecha
A lot of people feel like Rosalia is trying to claim Latin genres even though she's Spanish.   It was a big controversy months ago.
I wonder if this will be damagin for the sales of her next record.

 

For me, it's been different, though. My experiences with Spanish people have been nothing but positive.
I owe them a lot—they were there for me when I felt really alone back in 2010. Had so many spanish friends
Oye chaval-tio vamos al mercadona. Tortilla de patatas. Cuidao con los Canis.
I live for Spain and i wanna visit it one day
I've loved Spain ever since I watched The Cheetah Girls 2! Movie
 

 

[CocoPouf]

5 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Rosalía is Highly hyped in English music circles, but in Latin America, she doesn't get the same love.  She's liked but not in the level of karol g-shakira.
There's a lot of tension between Latin America and Spain—Spanish people can sometimes come across as condescending to Latinos.
I know so many Latinos-friends-family who've lived in Spain and faced mistreatment,racism attacks...... even being called criminals-SUDACAS.
There are tons of videos on Youtube of latinos talkin about their bad experiences in Spain
Even Shakira was mistreated and seen as "Less" "Lower Class" by Gerard Pique Catalunian Family   crazily...
 

This has left a lot of Latinos feeling like Spanish artists don't really belong here. To many here, they come off as colonizers with a superiority complex.
They liked them but they dont see tham as essential to us. Theyre very wary of them
Rosalía, especially, has gotten a lot of backlash for her recent shade toward Karol G singing merengue and copying despecha
A lot of people feel like Rosalia is trying to claim Latin genres even though she's Spanish.   It was a big controversy months ago.
I wonder if this will be damagin for the sales of her next record.

 

For me, it's been different, though. My experiences with Spanish people have been nothing but positive.
I owe them a lot—they were there for me when I felt really alone back in 2010. Had so many spanish friends
Oye chaval-tio vamos al mercadona. Tortilla de patatas. Cuidao con los Canis.
I live for Spain and i wanna visit it one day
I've loved Spain ever since I watched The Cheetah Girls 2! Movie
 

 

Yes, she is because her first record was amazing. The sound was revolutionary and re-introduced the Spanish and flamenco culture to the new generations. But she is nothing more than the "exotic flamenco cool girl". Yes, she is invited to fashion shows, but so is Maluma. Maluma is pretty, Rosalia is talented, and they are just there to have the "Latino" audience in check.

Rosalia tries too hard to amplify her audience, and it looks corny. 

[AvadaKedavra]

33 minutes ago, Raver said:

They see thru her fake bs

Anitta completely dislikes Karol G. She's been throwing shade at her, and it's obvious she sees Karol as fake, like her sweet persona is just a facade. Recently, Shakira and Anitta have been hanging out a lot, and if I'm not mistaken, a collab between them is on the way. It sounds like Anitta has been saying stuff about Karol G to Shakira—I caught some shade in her last livestream. I wonder if Karol G is a wolf in sheeps clothing or maybe Anitta is just jealous of her success.


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@unclefloprry Shakira is the most successful latin act. Not Bad Bunny. Whos bad bunny 



U wanna fight  Im ready for the battle. Grab your weapons. 

 

Edited October 26 by AvadaKedavra

[unclefloprry]

7 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

@unclefloprry Shakira is the most successful latin act. Not Bad Bunny. Whos bad bunny 



U wanna fight  Im ready for the battle. Grab your weapons. 

 

In history? Yes no doubt, right now? Nope 

 

[Evans]

1 hour ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Not many talk about it in our current times, but going mainstream in English can really upset the original fanbase.
When Shakira crossed over into the English-speaking market, she lost millions of fans. A lot of people felt betrayed and called her a Sellout.
To this day there's still so many fans who are like............Oh Shakira. She ruined everything when she "Americanized herself"
But her hits were stronger than the backlash and she added millions of fans with the english crossover
You as a fan u probably remember how things were if youre one of the old fans.


I feel like Karol G would have an even harder time with it because her brand is just so deeply, unapologetically Latin—like, 'I'm one of you. soy como ustedes gente'
Los latinos nunca le perdonarian si ella sale con un Laundry Service  asi como a bad bunny muchos no le perdonan lo de las kardashians

Muy cierto 

[Inverted]

How is she "underlooked"? She's a Spanish-language artist that's selling out concerts in the US. Clearly she's doing well. The average American is not interested in Spanish-language music unless they're Hispanic. Let's not even get into the UK, AUS, NZ and CAN.