BlondGuts Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) On 10/15/2024 at 12:38 PM, Sazare said: Wow that's a really persuasive anecdote. I'm totally swayed by what you, ATRL user @modeblock, claim to have seen and by your nebulous definition of what "looks healthy," despite the troves of scientific evidence to the contrary. Yes I'm sure it's the vegans who are projecting Somehow every vegan I know is always weak, pale, very thin, constantly cold and get hungry again quickly. It makes me worry for the long term effects of the diet. Edited October 16 by BlondGuts 1
modeblock Posted October 16 Posted October 16 22 hours ago, Sazare said: I latched on to those parts because it was the easiest to seize upon in a pithy retort; I assure the rest of your comment was also piffle. You're literally just clinging to a naturalistic fallacy; what's "natural" to humans is not always good, and what's good, either for the individual or on a global scale, is not always natural. Practically nothing about our day to day lives in the modern age is in accordance with the natural order anyway, and even if it were that wouldn't make it intrinsically good. Nothing dictates — no, not even "nature" if it were capable of such a thing — that humans eat meat. Herbivorous humans have existed for millennia; we are not obligate carnivores unlike, say, cats. There's no biological, moral, rational, or nAtUraL imperative to eat meat, your anecdotes and strawmen be damned. Like, feel free keep eating meat but don't delude yourself into believing that it's justified by anything other than personal convenience and a kneejerk reaction to some deep-seated feelings of moral inferiority that vegans evidently stir up within you. Because I assure you no one else here is fooled. 20 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: 11 hours ago, Armani? said: What supplements? The only one vast majority have to take is Vitamin B12 and it's not a "meat" Vitamin naturally https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600829/ 6 hours ago, FOCK said: First they came for the homosexuals, then - Anyway. Humanity remains one zoonotic disease outbreak away from being forced to reevaluate its consumption habits & arrogant disregard for animal life. That is, if the Earth's climate doesn't get us first. Get with it, or get got - it's not really up for debate at this stage? Any entity claiming otherwise can typically, evidently, be linked to the meat & dairy industry's self interest/funding/sponsorship. Veganism is not only a health issue. It's a climate issue. An emissions issue. A moral & philosophical issue. An indigenous rights & displacement issue. An air, soil & water issue. A world hunger issue. A slave labour issue. A mental health issue. An animal extinction issue. A big pharma issue. Etc… And it's one of the simplest & most impactful things an individual can do to help combat the above, with personal health benefits as a bonus. It's not "perfect", but it's better. If it's viable for you to make the change, there's no worthwhile reason not to. If it isn't viable for you, just be honest with yourself about the reasons why & don't actively advocate against an initiative for good. Drink your oat milk. I'm not using the word natural in a moral sense. I'm just saying that human beings are NOT herbivores, we NEED to eat animal food to obtain COMPLETE protein chains. If you don't know anything about human evolution and how we became human in the first place (hint: meat & fire lol) then I don't know what to say. Vegan societies do not exist for a reason. My actual point, beyond morality and health, is that asking human beings to give up meat is NOT going to happen. Electric cars, lab grown meat, FORCING polluting industries to comply, etc. are more useful and realistic ways of addressing this issue than forcing your beliefs down people's throats! 1
Maneater Posted October 16 Posted October 16 On 10/14/2024 at 7:20 PM, Sazare said: the way omnivores get so pressed and defensive over things like this that they end up doubling down on their meat eating Making their cognitive dissonance everyone else's problem I'm a meat eater but it really baffles me how angry and defensive other meat eaters get anytime the word vegan is mentioned 2 1
psychodiva336 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 I haven't eaten meat in nearly 6 years now and I feel great. All my annual blood tests always come back perfect too. I think nowadays with all the plant-based meat substitutes we have it's easier than ever to give being vegetarian, or even vegan, a shot. Not to mention the countless veggie-oriented restaurants and bars. 2
makeme Posted October 16 Posted October 16 I stopped eating meat/eggs/cheese and my LDL cholesterol dropped 24 points in 3 months. I'm a pescatarian now with no plans of going back although I do miss chicken. I don't know if I could ever give up Salmon and Tuna. Sushi is like my favorite food ever. But this article is mainly about land animals i'm assuming? I substituted chicken dishes with bean soups or tofu dishes. Lentil Soup, Tuscan bean, and Split pea are some of my favorites right now.
makeme Posted October 16 Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, psychodiva336 said: I haven't eaten meat in nearly 6 years now and I feel great. All my annual blood tests always come back perfect too. I think nowadays with all the plant-based meat substitutes we have it's easier than ever to give being vegetarian, or even vegan, a shot. Not to mention the countless veggie-oriented restaurants and bars. Be careful with plant based substitutes! When I made the switch those were my go to's for awhile until I checked out the ingredients. Most of them are highly processed with canola oil :/
psychodiva336 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 Just now, makeme said: Be careful with plant based substitutes! When I made the switch those were my go to's for awhile until I checked out the ingredients. Most of them are highly processed with canola oil :/ Thank you for the concern and information! I'm good though - it's important to remember that the crux of a good vegan diet are vegetables, plain and simple. I'm just saying that these substitutes are a good way for meat-eaters to see that you can actually have a tasty lunch or dinner without any meat!
Sazare Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, BlondGuts said: Somehow every vegan I know is always weak, pale, very thin, constantly cold and get hungry again quickly. It makes me worry for the long term effects of the diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_anecdote
Sazare Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, modeblock said: I'm not using the word natural in a moral sense. I'm just saying that human beings are NOT herbivores, we NEED to eat animal food to obtain COMPLETE protein chains. If you don't know anything about human evolution and how we became human in the first place (hint: meat & fire lol) then I don't know what to say. Vegan societies do not exist for a reason. My actual point, beyond morality and health, is that asking human beings to give up meat is NOT going to happen. Electric cars, lab grown meat, FORCING polluting industries to comply, etc. are more useful and realistic ways of addressing this issue than forcing your beliefs down people's throats! Oh look the goalposts moved yet again
Kimi Posted October 16 Posted October 16 I mean its a fact that meat is one of the reasons climate will be destroyed. We are cooked. 1
modeblock Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sazare said: Oh look the goalposts moved yet again Sure sis, not when you have the ultimate goal post. You want to pretend that humanity giving up meat is this attainable goal, and you're using it to beat omnivores over the head with it telling us we're killing the planet every time we have a burger. I can tell you what goals are attainable though: lab grown meat, drastically improved and efficient livestock feeding and waste management (by LAW), carbon sequestration, etc., etc. Edited October 16 by modeblock
SoSickOfThatSOL Posted October 16 Posted October 16 Sure but, how many of those scientists are medical/clinical? I'd like a recommendation that it's well rounded and searched for. Meat is a necessity. Leave the numbers aside and tell me how populations that live with less than $1 a day could opt to the vegan/vegetarian alternatives. And the risks of not consuming the proper portions of macro and micronutrients are huge. There's a reason why the best omega oils are from a specific kind of fish. And why vitamin D consumption defers between the veggie and meat version. Look it up. 1
Sazare Posted October 16 Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, modeblock said: Sure sis, not when you have the ultimate goal post. You want to pretend that humanity giving up meat is this attainable goal, and you're using it to beat omnivores over the head with it telling us we're killing the planet every time we have a burger. I can tell you what goals are attainable though: lab grown meat, drastically improved and efficient livestock feeding and waste management (by LAW), carbon sequestration, etc., etc. uhhhhh I don't recall saying or calling for any of this tbh. Seems like you're projecting, or at least treating all vegans as some sort of cartoonish monolith. Work through your own issues hun, because between these reaches and all this goalpost-moving you're gonna end up hurting your back
Heirloom Posted October 17 Posted October 17 First world ppl in here love to acting superior by eating vegan to save the planet, yet still contribute through it by consuming nonstop music media / AI or fashion items that is detrimental to workers and environment in some third world countries. Put the blame on government and corporations who keep on utilizing these substandard industries and pushing fatties in every menu. Every farmer in my country will gladly take your meat if you don't want it anyway. 1
family.guy123 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 6 hours ago, SoSickOfThatSOL said: Sure but, how many of those scientists are medical/clinical? I'd like a recommendation that it's well rounded and searched for. Meat is a necessity. Leave the numbers aside and tell me how populations that live with less than $1 a day could opt to the vegan/vegetarian alternatives. And the risks of not consuming the proper portions of macro and micronutrients are huge. There's a reason why the best omega oils are from a specific kind of fish. And why vitamin D consumption defers between the veggie and meat version. Look it up. You can see their names and look them up. There's no list for the mysterious 21,000 though. It's about 16,000.
BionicWooHoo Posted October 17 Posted October 17 Id buy lab grown meat if it was avail, I wouldn't mind tbh
Badger Posted October 17 Posted October 17 I'm not a vegan but people being so spiteful about them and eating meat is going to backfire badly in the next few decades 2
AlanRickman1946 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 On 10/15/2024 at 1:50 AM, Princess Aurora said: Well, they're not wrong. Eating too much meat is bad for your health. I eat it twice a week and with salad Wow really? Do you mind sharing what you eat in a day? Say, what did you eat yesterday?
Princess Aurora Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) 38 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said: Wow really? Do you mind sharing what you eat in a day? Say, what did you eat yesterday? Are you interested in my diet? lol Edited October 17 by Princess Aurora
Assassin Posted October 17 Posted October 17 Not op sharing link from some bogus site. Their "source" is a dead link. @GraceRandolphexplain yourself. The veganism agenda is insane. Eat what you want, and let me eat what I want.
AlanRickman1946 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 48 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said: Are you interested in my diet? lol Yes hehe
Princess Aurora Posted October 17 Posted October 17 4 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said: Yes hehe Um well I'm not a person who eats a lot so there isn't much to say
Armani? Posted October 17 Posted October 17 19 hours ago, SoSickOfThatSOL said: Sure but, how many of those scientists are medical/clinical? I'd like a recommendation that it's well rounded and searched for. Meat is a necessity. Leave the numbers aside and tell me how populations that live with less than $1 a day could opt to the vegan/vegetarian alternatives. And the risks of not consuming the proper portions of macro and micronutrients are huge. There's a reason why the best omega oils are from a specific kind of fish. And why vitamin D consumption defers between the veggie and meat version. Look it up. Omega 3s are from algae. Fish is a secondary source
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