Marianah Adkins Posted October 12 Posted October 12 This is so Hillary Clinton coded lmao. I wish Kamala the best 1
BionicWooHoo Posted October 12 Posted October 12 15 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Kamala Harris' policies imprisoned dozens of black men unjustly and killed thousands of black men in Sudan and Palestine but alas Tell us Trump's policies when it comes to the black men you allegedly care so much about. 4 1
Namie-Knowles Posted October 12 Posted October 12 White People in this thread trying to convince us that Trump policies will be better for Black men. 5 1 2 1
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Hes right. Some of these men are openly supporting a WHITE SUPREMACIST. What is this tomfoolery? 3 1
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 hours ago, Onyxmage said: Hes right. Some of these men are openly supporting a WHITE SUPREMACIST. What is this tomfoolery? They're voting Kamala more than everyone else nonBlack. The problem is he's expecting Obama level support but the race was never favorable to that because of how badly Biden dropped the ticket. She just joined the race a few months ago lol He isn't going to single out any other demographic so this a bit unfair. Black Women weren't even giving Kamala historic numbers yet, Trump still had 10% of their vote in the early polls. Hispanic Men are sliding into the mid to lower 50s% now for Dem support, yet crickets. If he was going to do this he should have been more prepared for more substantive answers than "she grew up like you" lol. Name his policies that are harmful especially or hers that help 3
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Armani? said: They're voting Kamala more than everyone else nonBlack. The problem is he's expecting Obama level support but the race was never favorable to that because of how badly Biden dropped the ticket. She just joined the race a few months ago lol He isn't going to single out any other demographic so this unfair. Black Women weren't even giving Kamala historic numbers yet, Trump still had 10% of their vote in the early polls. Hispanic Men are sliding into the mid to lower 50s% now for Dem support, yet crickets. A black man talking to other black men is unfair? Now ive heard it all. Anyway, these people need a wake up call. Voting for a white supremacist because you think hes gonna give you another stimulus check is the epitome of clueless. Its not unfair to call out your own community when they are doing something STUPID. Edited October 12 by Onyxmage 2
Marianah Adkins Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Just now, Onyxmage said: A black man talking to other black men is unfair? Now ive heard it all. Anyway, these people need a wake up call. Voting for a white supremacist because you think hes gonna give you another stimulus check is the epitome of clueless. Its not unfair to call out your own community when they are doing something STUPID. The problem is assuming your entire community as a monolith. And the real cause lies in the fact that Dems have nothing to offer to them. Obama had something to offer when he ran back in 08, even Biden promised something. What will Kamala offer aside from continuing Biden's policies? (that came from her lips). The "the other guy's Trump" worked in 2020 because he was in power. The Dems are in power right now so the message isnt as reasonant as it used to 2 1
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 4 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: A black man talking to other black men is unfair? Now ive heard it all. Anyway, these people need a wake up call. Voting for a white supremacist because you think hes gonna give you another stimulus check is the epitome of clueless. Its not unfair to call out your own community when they are doing something STUPID. And yet he didn't even call Trump a White Supremacist or list the policies for that in his "lecture" to support Kamala It was just platitudes like "she grew up like you". So how is this going to persuade the people voting Trump genuinely? Some may be misogynist but the majority of that minority are just misinformed while being disillusioned with Democrat governing the past 4 years.
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, Armani? said: And yet he didn't even call Trump a White Supremacist or list the policies in his "lecture" to support Kamala It was just platitudes like "she grew up like you". Right so he was nicer than he should have been. Some of them need some sense knocked into them. 1
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: The problem is assuming your entire community as a monolith. And the real cause lies in the fact that Dems have nothing to offer to them. Obama had something to offer when he ran back in 08, even Biden promised something. What will Kamala offer aside from continuing Biden's policies? (that came from her lips). The "the other guy's Trump" worked in 2020 because he was in power. The Dems are in power right now so the message isnt as reasonant as it used to Trump is literally calling for cops to have FULL IMMUNITY from the law. Are you serious? Please educate yourself on Trumps danger specifically to black and brown men. This is not about a monolith. Another Trump presidency will affect ALL black men. Edited October 12 by Onyxmage
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 10 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: Right so he was nicer than he should have been. Some of them need some sense knocked into them. Oh, so you're that stupid to think that works in messaging to get misinformed people to vote for you by being condescending This isn't a one to one conversation, it's for thousands of people. Kamala's campaign hasn't made any ads specific to Black men under Project 2025 or Trump's policies in general that would disassociate that part of the electorate so they could start there. It's not hard. Trump's share of the Black vote has also been declining slightly on avg for months in all metrics, just slower than they want it to be. Yet they keep pretending the race has been the same since early August for the Black vote. 1
Marianah Adkins Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, Onyxmage said: Trump is literally calling for cops to have FULL IMMUNITY from the law. Are you serious? Please educate yourself on Trumps danger specifically to black and brown men. This isnot about a monolith. Another Trump presidency will affect ALL black men. From our eyes here on atrl, it is obvious that Trump is wrong and should be stopped but from the eyes of an average voter? they have voted Dem their entire life and they are still being unfairly locked up hence they are considering other alternatives. And regardless of whether P2025 is true (it is), why should they care when their lives are already **** anyway? I'm just giving you their perspective because it seems that democrats tend to assume that every voter or demographic share their same worldview. And its not just blacks, other POC men are also considering Trump. I dont think you can simply blame that on voters because these same scolded voters have swung in favor of Dems for years.
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 13 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: Trump is literally calling for cops to have FULL IMMUNITY from the law. Are you serious? Please educate yourself on Trumps danger specifically to black and brown men. This is not about a monolith. Another Trump presidency will affect ALL black men. Why hasn't the Kamala campaign advertised that if they're so frantic about Black men? They can make anti 3rd party ads so why not that? 2
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Btw, this is the result of the entire conversation. The Right has been desperately trying to get Black men to vote for them for a while now all over the place, so now it's just a scapegoat if Kamala losesPlus with the media outlets being overdramatic in their constant articles actively trying to talk to Black men voting Trump to sell a narrative even though 80% or more are guaranteed not to. And Black male support for Trump declining since July when Biden dropped out is being framed out of context as increasing support.
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 19 minutes ago, Armani? said: Why hasn't the Kamala campaign advertised that if they're so frantic about Black men? They can make anti 3rd party ads so why not that? I dont know why dont you ask them?
Onyxmage Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: From our eyes here on atrl, it is obvious that Trump is wrong and should be stopped but from the eyes of an average voter? they have voted Dem their entire life and they are still being unfairly locked up hence they are considering other alternatives. And regardless of whether P2025 is true (it is), why should they care when their lives are already **** anyway? I'm just giving you their perspective because it seems that democrats tend to assume that every voter or demographic share their same worldview. And its not just blacks, other POC men are also considering Trump. I dont think you can simply blame that on voters because these same scolded voters have swung in favor of Dems for years. Why care when your life is sh**? Talk about lumping all black men into a monolith. Not all black men are getting locked up and have shi** lives. The alternative to someone who you might have some disagreements with shouldn't be a racist neo nazi white supremacist. I dont know how much simpler I can put it. Ill just leave it at that. Edited October 12 by Onyxmage
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 3 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: I dont know why dont you ask them? Can't, but interesting they're panicking but didn't even go through all their options.
Kahlo Posted October 12 Posted October 12 America's obsession with race is something else. Categorizing people by color is wild
AlanRickman1946 Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 20 minutes ago, Armani? said: Btw, this is the result of the entire conversation. The Right has been desperately trying to get Black men to vote for them for a while now all over the place, so now it's just a scapegoat if Kamala losesPlus with the media outlets being overdramatic in their constant articles actively trying to talk to Black men voting Trump to sell a narrative even though 80% or more are guaranteed not to. And Black male support for Trump declining since July when Biden dropped out is being framed out of context as increasing support. This November, when you think about the fact that the former president increased his margins from 2016 to 2020 by 4% with Black men specifically, it is not mathematically impossible to see another increase of 2% to 3% now https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2024/06/17/black-male-voters-2024-election
Marianah Adkins Posted October 12 Posted October 12 14 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: Why care when your life is sh**? Talk about lumping all black men into a monolith. Not all black men are getting locked up and have shi** lives. The alternative to someone who you might have some disagreements with shouldn't be a racist neo nazi white supremacist. I dont know how much simpler I can put it. Ill just leave it at that. Or they would vote for a 3rd party candidate or not vote at all. They have tons of alternatives. Its on the Dems as to why they are not even considered as an alternative when they are up against an orange white supermacist
CaptainMusic Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) A lot of black straight men are misogynistic and aren't voting for Kamala because she's a woman and also because she's not married to a black man. But this is terrible messaging and will probably have a negative effect, other races aren't being called out like this. Kamala was very careful to avoid this kind of attitude so he should've known better. 59 minutes ago, Armani? said: Why hasn't the Kamala campaign advertised that if they're so frantic about Black men? They can make anti 3rd party ads so why not that? This is one of their biggest failures, it's ridiculous that they haven't advertised this smh. Edited October 12 by CaptainMusic 1 1
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 7 hours ago, AlanRickman1946 said: This November, when you think about the fact that the former president increased his margins from 2016 to 2020 by 4% with Black men specifically, it is not mathematically impossible to see another increase of 2% to 3% now https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2024/06/17/black-male-voters-2024-election It is funny though that article you linked is from June, Biden was losing across the board, not because of Black men, it wasn't even close Every demographic was slipping away from him, notably he was on track to possibly lose majority of Hispanic Men lmao if you look at Economist's build a voter model in Arizona & New Mexico & input Catholic lol No, it is not impossible depending on the exit poll Edison, Pew and Catalist average out to 15% Black men in 2020 though for Trump. This cycle, in the Black only polls it was averaging around 17%, but all those polls were predebate for Kamala. Before the swap with Biden it was even higher. But there still is a trend of Trump gradually losing the Black vote ever since the swap in normal national poll crosstabs so
IsidoraMarí Posted October 12 Posted October 12 23 hours ago, Communion said: Her time in San Francisco fighting to blacklist people arrested for drug possession from participating in recovery programs instead of jail if they had even just one previous charge of possession to sell drugs on their record. Needlessly cruel and ineffective. And that's anti black men? And that has nothing to do with Palestine nor Sudan 1
Communion Posted October 12 Posted October 12 5 hours ago, IsidoraMarí said: And that's anti black men? And that has nothing to do with Palestine nor Sudan A proper understanding of syntax would mean their post would be read as: On 10/11/2024 at 8:22 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said: Kamala Harris' policies: 1) imprisoned dozens of black men [in America] unjustly and 2) killed thousands of black men in Sudan and Palestine but alas My example references their first point.
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