news Victims of Communism memorial: more than half of the names were linked to Nazis

[Prodigal Self]

But equating communists to nazis is so absurd and disingenuous, like y'all are so ******* stupid

[NewStanner]

3 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

I ain't no communist and I don't know or care who you stan for sugar **** (but we both know it's some flopping pop *******)

No one has gone #1 - OUT before Travis on BB200, therefore, no matter who I was stanning, they can't flop harder than your fave lmao

 

 

OT: Communism being responsible for any kind of damage is nothing new

[Prodigal Self]

2 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

No one has gone #1 - OUT before Travis on BB200, therefore, no matter who I was stanning, they can't flop harder than your fave lmao

 

 

OT: Communism being responsible for any kind of damage is nothing new

... And? We talking about communism and nazism, maybe you should be quiet when the adults are talking

 

[NewStanner]

15 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

... And? We talking about communism and nazism, maybe you should be quiet when the adults are talking

 

You're an obsessed weirdo who searched for a post of mine to downvote after I rightfully disliked the Drake one of yours (defending a murderer and now a pedo? Tragic)

 

OT: Communism bad

Edited 10 hours ago by NewStanner

[Prodigal Self]

Just now, NewStanner said:

You're an obsessed weirdo who searched for a post of mine to downvote after I rightfully disliked the Drake stanning one of yours (stanning a murderer and now a pedo? Tragic)

 

OT: Communism bad

Or I came to this thread on my own and disliked your stupid ass comment equating communists to ******* nazis? I don't stan anyone I'm an adult with a job and a mortgage.

 

OT: Nazism bad

[NewStanner]

Just now, Prodigal Self said:

Or I came to this thread on my own and disliked your stupid ass comment equating communists to ******* nazis? I don't stan anyone I'm an adult with a job and a mortgage.

 

OT: Nazism bad

You only downvoted my post, even though I quoted a different post which equated those two (funnily you didn't downvote that one) but yes, you totally randomly came here, sure Jan

 

 

OT: Nazism and communism bad

[Prodigal Self]

Just now, NewStanner said:

You only downvoted my post, even though I quoted a different post which equated those two (funnily you didn't downvote that one) but yes, you totally randomly came here, sure Jan

 

 

OT: Nazism and communism bad

I'm sure you can check the resent visitors on your page and you won't find me there for obvious reasons. I'm also not giving you the satisfaction of the last word cause I may be the adult and forces are clearly ain't equal but **** that lol

 

NAZISM BAD!

[NewStanner]

Just now, Prodigal Self said:

I'm sure you can check the resent visitors on your page and you won't find me there for obvious reasons. I'm also not giving you the satisfaction of the last word cause I may be the adult and forces are clearly ain't equal but **** that lol

 

NAZISM BAD!

It's possible to check recent comments from an user without making it to the visitors list, you think I didn't know that? lmao

 

 

OT: nazism bad

 

[Prodigal Self]

1 minute ago, NewStanner said:

It's possible to check recent comments from an user without making it to the visitors list, you think I didn't know that? lmao

 

 

OT: nazism bad

 

Well I didn't know that. ***** I don't really care like that so don't you go telling people I'm butthurt about ******* DRAKE enough to do any of that!

 

Communism eh?

 

[NewStanner]

Just now, Prodigal Self said:

Well I didn't know that. ***** I don't really care like that so don't you go telling people I'm butthurt about ******* DRAKE enough to do any of that!

 

Communism eh?

 

Sure you didn't know that, that's why the only posts you reacted with in this thread were mine and the one above me, your lies couldn't be more transparent. And yes, considering how you love to dislike my anti-Travis posts, I'd say you can get butthurt quite easily

 

 

OT: Nazism is so gross

[Prodigal Self]

26 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

Sure you didn't know that, that's why the only posts you reacted with in this thread were mine and the one above me, your lies couldn't be more transparent. And yes, considering how you love to dislike my anti-Travis posts, I'd say you can get butthurt quite easily

 

 

OT: Nazism is so gross

I don't dislike people comments unless I have to, like you went out of your way to dislike mine. Like your dumb ass really thinks there are 0 chances I've entered the 1st popular thread in civics on my own and it's THROUGH YOUR COMMENT HISTORY. FOH with that nonsense

 

nazi bad!

[family.guy123]

4 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

 

 

China was a land of drug addicted farmers and feudal landlords, where famine was an habitual thing. The Great Leap Forward was the last famine in China and now the country is poised to become the biggest economy in the World.

 

 

Does this mean your okay with government assisted murder so long as it brings economic prosperity? Or only when its drug addicts they kill? Is there a name for that ideology? 

[Vermouth]

7 hours ago, John Slayne said:

Also I was born and raised in this region and let me tell you it took those countries 15 years to recover from the fall of socialism and then not long after the economic crisis hit us like a runaway train and most public services (such as healthcare and education) are arguably running worse now that they did before 1989. 

 

Again, that isn't to say I would want to return to the old socialist regime but this idea that things automatically got better after 1989 is just plain wrong. Even if you look at surveys from Czechoslovakia from 1989 and early 1990s, most people were actually in favour of many socialist economic policies, what they wanted to change was to acquire more civic and religious liberties and freedom of movement.

 

What they got was privatisation, price hikes and terrible living conditions. My parents could barely afford to live on their own and they were two full-time employed adults with no children in the 1990s  Things were THAT bad.

Fine. You can now vote in a democratic socialist government. You couldn't before. If your fellow citizens keep voting for something, else well try and persuade them. You are free to do so. You weren't before.

 

You can object to government policies and to the government, you can leave if you don't like it.  You couldn't before.

[P.O.P]

Both deserve hell

 

 

[Vermouth]

7 hours ago, John Slayne said:

Put it this way - the world makes enough food and has enough resources to provide everyone with clean water, shelter, and food. This means that effectively every person dying of starvation or dehydration or lack of shelter is a political choice. The current economic system is not efficient in distributing those essential resources to everyone and therefore is to blame for unnecessary deaths. 

 

Almost 10 million people die of hunger annually, one could easily argue that this is a direct fault of capitalism that incentivizes wasting food to keep prices artificially high in order to maximise profits for shareholders instead of actually just feeding people who are literally starving. 

 

And yet nobody is building 'victims of capitalism' memorials, people barely even talk about the connection between our economic system and its real life outcomes. I am by no means a defender of the USSR or China or East Germany, but to pretend that they are uniquely bad or worse than capitalism just does not add up when you look at the history of exploitation, slavery, and oppression under capitalism. 50 million people continue to live in modern slavery to this day, I'd hardly call that a win for capitalism.

Yes, but communism has a rubbish record of creating those resources in the first place ( collective farms weren't exactly a huge success!), nor of distributing them.

 

Capitalism has huge faults. It needs the edges knocking off for the less capable and fortunate so they can benefit too. However, the record of communist states has been far worse, with political oppression thrown in on top.

[Vermouth]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

I would be more sympathetic to the theory that "no, this famine in a pre-industrialized country where famines routinely occurred was actually planned and intentional" if the last year didn't reveal to me the very concerning overlap between those who hold the view that Soviet agricultural policies were not just poorly planned but intentional attempts at eliminating ethnic groups yet who somehow conveniently think carpet bombing residential centers and blowing up water filtration systems in order to kill what is conservatively estimated right now as 350,000 Gazans isn't somehow genocide. 

 

Which goes back to the point you side stepped about the DPRK.

 

America dropped so much napalm that the land became ash. 1 in 5 Koreans were eliminated from the bombing campaigns. 

 

Are these not Victims of the West and its ideologies of imperialism and capitalism? 

 

Do 100 Gazans only equal to 1 European?

How on Earth have you linked Soviet collective farms and Gaza????? Talk about shoehorning a topic.

 

And for the record what's going on in Gaza is horrific and the world should be doing much more to stop it.

[Vermouth]

8 hours ago, Mean Trees said:

Let's stop the hypotheticals. It's been nearly 80 years of ''democracy'' in India and yet they haven't voted out the poverty. 60% of its population is still classified as living in abject poverty. ''Undemocratic'' China has shown its self to be able to provide significant material progress for its median citizen to the point where the former dominant West is running scared. 

China is getting rich precisely because it abandoned communism in all but name. Basically China's domestic policy since 1978 has been "we'll let you get rich but don't start rocking the boat and asking for more civic freedoms. If you do, well - Tiananman".
 

India has had many many issues and continues to do so but it's starting to grow now and looking at the projections for the rest of the century is going to end up in all likelihood with twice China's population too.

 

Imperfect though it is, an Indian citizen can vote and change their government (and they have in the decades since independence). Now I think the present government there is very undesirable but at least it can be changed, which isn't possible in China, is it?

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Vermouth

[Rosenda]

11 hours ago, noodlelymph said:

What a garbage false equivalency… Nazism/fascism is Capitalism in its truest form… Communism is the antidote to an economic system and mode of production and ownership that has destroyed the planet and murdered billions of humans through colonization, chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, and ecocide. Be Forreal now. 

 

Communists hate your guts. Gays have this false belief that communism = tolerance, sexual acceptance, freedom… when that couldn't be further from the truth. You'd be unalived as fast as in Nazi Germany, don't be stupid. 
Communism have killed more people than any other economic system since the Russian revolution. China's revolution alone killed more people than Nazism. Capitalism precedes Communism by like 1,000 years, so let's focus on recent history and forget about feudalism, chattel slavery… for a second.

btw the biggest ecological crimes in humanity were committed by communists. Open a history book ffs. 
yall have this juvenile mindset that Communism=Dems/ Nazism=reps 😂😂 they both want you 6ft under.

Btw communism is almost extinct, move on from that failed ideology. Gays are just terribly dumb and prone to brainwashing

[Virgos Groove]

7 hours ago, family.guy123 said:

Does this mean your okay with government assisted murder so long as it brings economic prosperity? Or only when its drug addicts they kill? Is there a name for that ideology? 

???

 

Who said anything about killing drug addicts? 

[Virgos Groove]

1 hour ago, Rosenda said:

Communists hate your guts. Gays have this false belief that communism = tolerance, sexual acceptance, freedom… when that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

Cuba has more progressive gay rights legislation than most capitalist countries. 

 

Gay rights aren't something you can divide on a capitalist-socialist basis. They're usually informed by the culture of the country. It's why Cuba is so progressive, while China is more reticent about the issue.

[sunbathinganimal]

[Komet]

As somebody from a country that was ruled by a commie party until relatively recently, I'd like to thank tankies like the ones in this thread for making sure communism doesn't get popular, god bless

 

[Rosenda]

8 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Cuba has more progressive gay rights legislation than most capitalist countries. 

 

Gay rights aren't something you can divide on a capitalist-socialist basis. They're usually informed by the culture of the country. It's why Cuba is so progressive, while China is more reticent about the issue.

I consider Cuba THE exception. It has been largely influenced by Hispanic culture (it was the last Spanish colony to get independence iirc), which is notoriously open minded and progressive. Communism had little influence in that regard, thankfully.

 

On the other hand you have all those ex communist Eastern European countries, like Moldova and Georgia, which are passionately anti gay to the point their people are not willing to join the EU because they think gay marriage will be imposed on them. They'd rather rot in poverty and stagnation than give gay people basic rights, literally. Even EU countries like Slovakia and Hungary are constantly spewing anti gay rhetoric and alienating their people against the gays. And let's not even bring up Russia, Belarus or China into this topic. They all have that one thing in common.

[Virgos Groove]

6 minutes ago, Rosenda said:

I consider Cuba THE exception. It has been largely influenced by Hispanic culture (it was the last Spanish colony to get independence iirc), which is notoriously open minded and progressive. Communism had little influence in that regard, thankfully.

 

On the other hand you have all those ex communist Eastern European countries, like Moldova and Georgia, which are passionately anti gay to the point their people are not willing to join the EU because they think gay marriage will be imposed on them. They'd rather rot in poverty and stagnation than give gay people basic rights, literally. Even EU countries like Slovakia and Hungary are constantly spewing anti gay rhetoric and alienating their people against the gays. And let's not even bring up Russia, Belarus or China into this topic. They all have that one thing in common.

Arab countries have the exact same views and they were never communist. As I said, it's not something you can divide on a capitalist-socialist basis.

 

Re Cuba: countries like Paraguay or Honduras are also influenced by Hispanic culture, and they're hardly beacons of social progress. Communism doesn't inherently mean homophobia, and capitalism doesn't inherently mean queer acceptance. It's a case-by-case thing.

[Mean Trees]

2 hours ago, Vermouth said:

China is getting rich precisely because it abandoned communism in all but name. Basically China's domestic policy since 1978 has been "we'll let you get rich but don't start rocking the boat and asking for more civic freedoms. If you do, well - Tiananman".
 

India has had many many issues and continues to do so but it's starting to grow now and looking at the projections for the rest of the century is going to end up in all likelihood with twice China's population too.

 

Imperfect though it is, an Indian citizen can vote and change their government (and they have in the decades since independence). Now I think the present government there is very undesirable but at least it can be changed, which isn't possible in China, is it?

 

 

Question is, does China need its government changed in the manner of ''liberal democracies'' because all I see this system is one group of elites getting swapped for another and will complain and cry about the other group when things go bad; see Democrats vs Republicans. China saw a big change in its governing philosophy in the late 70s without an election but in its government's desire to see growth for its populations' needs so it made the change. India has had 80 years of being able to swap governments and hasn't had any of its politicians uplift its citizens in the speed and level China has.