news Victims of Communism memorial: more than half of the names were linked to Nazis

[Virgos Groove]

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The Department of Canadian Heritage is being told that more than half of the 550 names on the Memorial to the Victims of Communism should be removed because of potential links to the Nazis or questions about affiliations with fascist groups, according to government records.

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But concerns have been raised over the years by Jewish organizations and historians that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.

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"It has come to our attention that a number of entries that have been put forward for recognition may have been affiliated in some capacity to fascist and Nazi organizations," wrote Tristan-E. Landry, a deputy director at the department. "For example, some of proposed individuals were linked to the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army….and to a lesser extent with Baltic nationalist groups (i.e. members of the Latvian SS)."

Ottawa Citizen

 

[Pikachoo]

can my country stop honoring Ukranian nazis

 

edit: i also find it a bit suspicious that so many canadian newspapers owned by right-wing corporations (Ottawa Citizen is majority owned by Chatham Asset Management) have run so many "ukranian nazi" stories recently... as if they want us to stop supporting Ukraine.

Edited October 8 by Pikachoo

[Bosque]

Sounds like communists and Nazis are both bad, more news at 12 

[BrokenMachine]

20 minutes ago, Bosque said:

Sounds like communists and Nazis are both bad, more news at 12 

And yet they are not the same. Communists fought against nazis. More news at 13

[Pendulum]

2 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

And yet they are not the same. Communists fought against nazis. More news at 13

that doesn't mean that anti-communism = pro-nazism, More news at 14 

[Virgos Groove]

Just now, Pendulum said:

that doesn't mean that anti-communism = pro-nazism, More news at 14 

Not necessarily, but somehow the most hardent anti-communists always end up being Nazis. More news at 15!

[Trent W]

The conversation of who is more trash communists vs nazis is redundant 

 

Both are the scum of this planet

 

Some of the world's worst moments

[Mast]

47 minutes ago, Bosque said:

Sounds like communists and Nazis are both bad, more news at 12 

Actually it's more like Communists fought against the Nazi's before the U.S. even joined the war, hence Nazis end up in the list of "victims of Communism".

[bielneira]

23 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Not necessarily, but somehow the most hardent anti-communists always end up being Nazis. More news at 15!

Not all communists want a regime such as North Korea or China, but all n*zis want a regime such as Germany/Italy in the early 1900s

[Renzo_]

4 minutes ago, Mast said:

Actually it's more like Communists fought against the Nazi's before the U.S. even joined the war, hence Nazis end up in the list of "victims of Communism".

Never forget that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact existed.

[DAP]

When are we getting a Victims of Capitalism memorial though?

 

[Virgos Groove]

7 minutes ago, Renzo_ said:

Never forget that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact existed.

Never forget that the Allies rejected Stalin's plan to invade Germany before the pact. I'm not excusing Ribbentrop-Molotov or the Soviet invasion of Poland, but this idea that the USSR and Nazi Germany signed a non-agression agreement out of ideological unity is a myth. The Soviets were already moving all their industry east before Barbarossa.

Edited October 8 by Virgos Groove

[polygon]

Communism is the antonym of Nazism which in itself is just a brand of liberalism, the ideology of private property.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Bosque said:

Sounds like communists and Nazis are both bad, more news at 12 

"Killing nazis makes someone bad"

 

I don't know if you as a German national should be trying to wade in from the sidelines here, sis. 

[John Slayne]

2 hours ago, DAP said:

When are we getting a Victims of Capitalism memorial though?

 

never, capitalists will gladly watch you starve and say it's because you've not pulled yourself up by your bootstraps or something. they don't give a f

 

[noodlelymph]

3 hours ago, Trent W said:

The conversation of who is more trash communists vs nazis is redundant 

 

Both are the scum of this planet

 

Some of the world's worst moments

What a garbage false equivalency… Nazism/fascism is Capitalism in its truest form… Communism is the antidote to an economic system and mode of production and ownership that has destroyed the planet and murdered billions of humans through colonization, chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, and ecocide. Be Forreal now. 

[Vermouth]

5 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

What a garbage false equivalency… Nazism/fascism is Capitalism in its truest form… Communism is the antidote to an economic system and mode of production and ownership that has destroyed the planet and murdered billions of humans through colonization, chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, and ecocide. Be Forreal now. 

Yes it was so marvellous they had the build a wire and minefield border across the whole of Europe to keep people imprisoned so they could enjoy all that communism.

 

They were still shooting people dead months before the Berlin Wall fell.

Edited October 8 by Vermouth

[noodlelymph]

1 minute ago, Vermouth said:

Yes it was so marvellous they had the build a wire and minefield border across the whole of Europe to keep people imprisoned they could enjoy all that communism.

 

They were still shooting people dead months before the Berlin Wall fell.

Looks at the BILLIONS more victims of Western European Capitalism across the global south (but I guess they don't matter because they don't have white skin) 

[Trent W]

4 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

What a garbage false equivalency… Nazism/fascism is Capitalism in its truest form… Communism is the antidote to an economic system and mode of production and ownership that has destroyed the planet and murdered billions of humans through colonization, chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, and ecocide. Be Forreal now. 

Yeah let's pretend authoritarian communists haven't done the similar things  

 

They are both garbage

 

And before anyone comes with the "communism is the perfect system in theory" the same argument can be said about capitalism, both systems are good in theory but abused to hell, America isn't even a capitalist country right now, it's a ******* oligarchy.

[Vermouth]

Just now, noodlelymph said:

Looks at the BILLIONS more victims of Western European Capitalism across the global south (but I guess they don't matter because they don't have white skin) 

And you know what I look like how exactly?

[Vermouth]

9 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

Looks at the BILLIONS more victims of Western European Capitalism across the global south (but I guess they don't matter because they don't have white skin) 

So the Stasi and the whole paraphernalia of oppression in say East Germany was because the populace thought imposed Soviet communism was fantastic?

 

They voted the place out of existence at the very first opportunity they got to express an opinion freely.  See also Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Baltics, etc etc 

Edited October 8 by Vermouth

[noodlelymph]

2 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Yeah let's pretend authoritarian communists haven't done the similar things  

 

They are both garbage

 

And before anyone comes with the "communism is the perfect system in theory" the same argument can be said about capitalism, both systems are good in theory but abused to hell, America isn't even a capitalist country right now, it's a ******* oligarchy.

"Similar things" lol still peddling a false equivalency. the horrific crimes of colonization and chattel slavery committed by the capitalist nations do not hold a candle to whatever manufactured outrage you have against communists (the folks who fought to get you and maintain the labor rights you take advantage of today). Lol an oligarchy is "capitalism," the US is the epitome of a capitalist state

[noodlelymph]

4 minutes ago, Vermouth said:

So the Stasi and the whole paraphernalia of oppression in say East Germany was because the populace refused to think  imposed Soviet communism was fantastic?

 

They voted the place out of existence at the very first opportunity they got to express an opinion freely.  See also Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Baltics, etc etc 

And several of those countries are currently experiencing a backsliding of the social services and free govt programs (achieved through centralized planned economies) they took for granted prior to the privatization of their economies. (Not to mention a resurgence in the far right everywhere lolol, how's the AFD doing???) Have fun piggy backing off the crumbs of wealth remaining for Europe and a crumbling US empire for the next decade.

Global north capitalist nations can't keep leaching off of the global south for eternity

[Vermouth]

Just now, noodlelymph said:

And several of those countries are currently experiencing a backsliding of the social services and free govt programs (achieved through centralized planned economies) they took for granted prior to the privatization of their economies. (Not to mention a resurgence in the far right everywhere lolol, how's the AFD doing???) Have fun piggy backing off the crumbs of wealth remaining for Europe and a crumbling US empire for the next decade.

Global north capitalist nations can't keep leaching off of the global south for eternity

Oh do calm down and think.

Not one of them is going to vote themselves back to pre 1989. Not one.  

Whatever imperfections there are, and there are many, life for the vast majority is way better than before 1989. Not least because if you really don't like it you can actually leave the country without risking being shot or spending a long time imprisoned for "fleeing the republic".

 

One day you might grow up.

[noodlelymph]

2 minutes ago, Vermouth said:

Oh do calm down and think.

Not one of them is going to vote themselves back to pre 1989. Not one.  

Whatever imperfections there are, and there are many, life for the vast majority is way better than before 1989. Not least because if you really don't like it you can actually leave the country without risking being shot or spending a long time imprisoned for "fleeing the republic".

 

One day you might grow up.

I think it's pretty clear that those with a narrow minded Eurocentric lens (and racialized concept of victimhood) of history care only about the "victims" of communism in Eastern Europe and not the vastly greater number of victims of European/American capitalism across the global south… It is a false equivalency to anyone with (a brain) an understanding of colonial history and it's ramifications and I'm not surprised to see Europeans in this thread continuing to peddle it.