base talk More RAW Talent: Beyoncé or Lady Gaga?

[pr_]

The fact that some of y'all think Gaga is vocally better than Beyoncé made me very confused.

[Chris]

Since when was Gaga the better songwriter?

 

[Brooklyn Baby]

3 hours ago, Great808 said:

Not to mention when it comes to Gaga you truly never know what she's going to do next

And is this supposed to be a good thing in her case? The jokes write themselves 

[Chris]

2 minutes ago, Forever Winter said:

And is this supposed to be a good thing in her case? The jokes write themselves 

That user kind of lied though.

 

We all know what she's going to do next which is flop.

 

[swissman]

17 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

..ok?? If you think I'm just projecting, what could be the actual reason I dislike her then? It's this crazy entitlement she shares with her fans (and husband) that drives me nuts the most. Her statements and overall superiotiy complex she constistently conveys in her "art" and everything that makes up her brand all point to her thinking too highly of herself in an arrogant, stuck-up way. Especially when she's being reinforced to do so by the lies the media spoonfeeds her with regarding her "excellence". I simply don't see it.

If the "actual" reason you dislike her is because she "literally believes she's the female Michelangelo" then that is a projection given she's neither said nor done anything that makes that true either literally, figuratively or hyperbolically.

 

Does she take her art, her work and her statements seriously? Yes, very much so. Does she keep to herself in this stage of her career, no longer concerned with having to prove herself commercially? Yes. But to sprinkle this with or confuse it for a "superiority complex", adding arrogance and a stuck-up attitude to her when no one who has ever met her has talked about her in any such way, does sound like projecting.

You've even further this by citing "lies the media spoonfed her with regarding her 'excellence'", another dog-whistle that suggests maybe you just can't reconcile that you personally dislike her with the fact that so many people agree she's excellent. Thus, the reaction is to assume everyone else is wrong.

 

 

Edited October 2 by swissman

[Ricardo1993]

Both are amazing at what they do. I'd pay top dollar to see any of these talented woman over another pop star who can't hold a note to save her life

 

 

[Zaram]

14 hours ago, Chris said:

Since when was Gaga the better songwriter?

 

Since when is Beyonce a songwriter? 

[swissman]

7 minutes ago, Zaram said:

Since when is Beyonce a songwriter? 

I'd say she began to be a songwriter when she wrote Jumpin' Jumpin' by herself (the other two writing credits are its producers/the ones who made the beat). That was 1999. A quarter of a century ago.

[swissman]

17 hours ago, Great808 said:

Beyonce up until the Country album has been very predictable. 

The mother of surprise releases is predictable now?!

You predicted BEYONCÉ in 2013? Either in release or its sonic qualities?
You predicted Formation? And an entire album dedicated to her near-breakup and focused on a Black woman's experience in the USA?

You predicted her to do a rap album?
You predicted her to do an afrobeats concept album?
You predicted her to take Coachella and dedicate it musically/visually to HBCU culture?
You predicted her to make RENAISSANCE?

 

So what is she going to do next, that hasn't already been speculated based on sources/rumours?

 

 

Edited October 2 by swissman

[Rhythm]

32 minutes ago, Zaram said:

Since when is Beyonce a songwriter? 

Since ASCAP awarded her the highest distinction validating her as one, in the same year Gaga was getting her first training bra. 

[WhateverYouWant]

On 9/30/2024 at 9:42 AM, Big Bad Wolf said:

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Beyonce's vocals are often times overwhelming much like Christina's, she sings too loudly at times and it's unpleasant

 

Both Bey and Gaga have previous injuries that impact their dance abilities today. With this in mind I think Gaga gives more energy at her shows, has more welcoming vocals, and can play a mean piano.

I find Gaga's theatrical vocals annoying and why I didn't like most of Chromatica

 

Beyonce is the better singer and performer. Gaga is the better actress and can play instruments. Beyonce has the edge I fear for me. 

[Doctor Dick]

So out of the criteria you posted:

 

RAW Talent:

- Can sing (Both great vocals, tie)

- Can dance (Beyoncé)

- Can write music (solo or with 1 other collaborator) (Lady Gaga)

- Can create exciting visuals (Tie)

- Can assemble exciting looks and costumes (Lady Gaga)

 

For looks especially, Beyoncé hasn't been praised for her fashion skills more than Lady Gaga who was making headlines for exactly that in her prime and has delivered many more memorable looks. Visuals, well Beyoncé kinda made it her thing post-4 but her most iconic video is from before that and it's Single Ladies. Lady Gaga put out great videos in her prime and always has something memorable during even her floppiest eras (Joanne pink hat, regular look for ASIB). She's visually a lot stronger than Beyoncé. It's also worth noting how hard it is to sing jazz because it's outside of the regular pop scale but Beyoncé has the technique over Gaga.

 

Beyoncé: 3

Gaga: 4 

Edited October 2 by Doctor Dick

[Doctor Dick]

On 9/30/2024 at 5:35 PM, Infatuation_Junkie said:

If all the power went out in the arena, gaga could still wow with just a piano and vocals. Beyonce, not so much. No shade, love them both, but let's be real. 

Yeah, I don't think people take that into consideration. Beyoncé is a better vocalist technically but raw talent also includes being able to play an instrument and Gaga prevails here as she is a classically-trained pianist while Beyoncé isn't at any instrument. Both are huge talents though. 

[Weld_E]

1 hour ago, Doctor Dick said:

Yeah, I don't think people take that into consideration. Beyoncé is a better vocalist technically but raw talent also includes being able to play an instrument and Gaga prevails here as she is a classically-trained pianist while Beyoncé isn't at any instrument. Both are huge talents though. 

Yall are contradicting yourselves in your own argument. If the criteria is to just have them both on a stage and see who can perform better, even you know the answer is Beyonce since you keep including instruments for Gaga for her to potentially prevail. Give them

both a mic only and see who puts on a better show.

[Doctor Dick]

6 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

Yall are contradicting yourselves in your own argument. If the criteria is to just have them both on a stage and see who can perform better, even you know the answer is Beyonce since you keep including instruments for Gaga for her to potentially prevail. Give them

both a mic only and see who puts on a better show.

This isn't about raw VOCAL talent though, the criteria included even fashion. So instruments should also be included. But I agree that Beyoncé is more skilled but it's not that wide of a gap between them. They are both talented vocalists. 

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[swissman]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:35 AM, Infatuation_Junkie said:

If all the power went out in the arena, gaga could still wow with just a piano and vocals. Beyonce, not so much. No shade, love them both, but let's be real. 

Hm, if all the power went out during a Beyoncé concert, assuming the crowd was perfectly silent so that voices on stage could be heard, Beyoncé would probably walk to the front of the stage with The Mamas (her background singers) and start singing acapella as she did with Destiny's Child countless times, singing songs for which SHE arranged the harmonies...

I know piano gives an alternate thing to do here, but when looking at Beyoncé's vocal talents it's not just about the material itself, the notes, the runs, the acrobatics, but also her raw talent for vocal production and arranging, a skill Gaga surely has as well but which is not utilized as frequently as Beyoncé, nor as prolifically.

In Beyoncé's case, she would write the arrangements, work with the girls in Destiny's Child to coach out the best from them, to get them as a trio (and quartet when they were that) to all sound in harmony (Beyoncé often incorporates difficult runs into her music which must be totally in-sync in harmonic form) and to build sonic structures that pleased the ear and tried new things. In some cases, like Jumpin' Jumpin', when no one could get it fast enough, Beyoncé just did all four parts herself.

And I do think beyond this conversation, Beyoncé's talent at vocal producing is hardly ever mentioned and ultimately neglected. For example, she produced the vocals for her duet with Miley, and has been a vocal producer for all but just a small handful of songs in her career.

An example of Beyoncé in acapella action doing what was described above:

 

 

 

Edited October 2 by swissman

[Slap]

The funniest part of this thread is how half the time I can't tell which of the two people are dragging or defending 

[BadHabits]

On 9/30/2024 at 4:22 PM, perfect blue said:

Beyonce in EVERY category - acting included.

Beyonce is my other fave aside from Gaga, but honestly, where's the nominations for acting?

 

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Gaga can clearly sing and write music. She constantly creates great visuals and looks and she's an accomplished dancer. She's also a great actress who's better than many of her singing counterparts. 

 

Beyonce has a more powerful range whereas Gaga is more versatile, creative ideas-wise and is a better actress with more opportunities for job roles.

[Chris]

10 hours ago, Zaram said:

Since when is Beyonce a songwriter? 

When she wrote #1 Hot 100 single Irreplaceable all by herself.

 

[Titanbaddie]

The only thing Gaga can do better than Beyonce is probably write a song alone but Beyonce has proven to have the much stronger ear for production and vocal production particularly which she does all by herself. Beyonce is also the MILES better vocalist, dancer and performer. '

 

Only on ATRL can somebody look at what Beyonce has done with her voice, dance skills, on stage and with her visuals and think "I'm voting Gaga" 

[Pinkbutterflies]

Lol at "ear for hits" or can "create nice visual" as talents. Exaggerating on resume because there's no discernable skill.

[swissman]

Here is an acapella-only example of song that:

• Beyoncé wrote herself
• Beyoncé vocally produced
• Beyoncé arranged
• Beyoncé sang entirely herself, because the others couldn't get it fast enough in the time they had to record

 

She was 18 at the time. The song peaked at #3 on the Billboard Hot 100 and for the year 2000 it ended up as the #13 biggest Hot 100 song, the 5th most played song on US Rhythmic radio.

So if you're wondering if she knows how to create, sing, and take a song to hit-status through her own RAW talent, the answer is YES.

 

 

Edited October 3 by swissman

[Pepo]

Beyoncé is a phenomenal vocal producer/arranger, so yes, this gives her an edge over Gaga in the studio.

Beyoncé is also a virtuoso, making her the better singer. See? They're both musicians, it works both ways.

 

Anyhow, both are infinitely better than anyone else in the industry, male or female. Kinda a pointless thread.

[45seconds]

On 10/2/2024 at 3:10 PM, Doctor Dick said:

So out of the criteria you posted:

 

RAW Talent:

- Can sing (Both great vocals, tie)

- Can dance (Beyoncé)

- Can write music (solo or with 1 other collaborator) (Lady Gaga)

- Can create exciting visuals (Tie)

- Can assemble exciting looks and costumes (Lady Gaga)

 

For looks especially, Beyoncé hasn't been praised for her fashion skills more than Lady Gaga who was making headlines for exactly that in her prime and has delivered many more memorable looks. Visuals, well Beyoncé kinda made it her thing post-4 but her most iconic video is from before that and it's Single Ladies. Lady Gaga put out great videos in her prime and always has something memorable during even her floppiest eras (Joanne pink hat, regular look for ASIB). She's visually a lot stronger than Beyoncé. It's also worth noting how hard it is to sing jazz because it's outside of the regular pop scale but Beyoncé has the technique over Gaga.

 

Beyoncé: 3

Gaga: 4 

They are not tied vocally. Beyoncé edges her. Beyoncé can sing in way more styles than Lady GaGa can and can sing every style lady GaGa can. 

[Comedor]

Vocals: Beyonce

Dancing: Beyonce

Songwriting: Beyonce

Acting: Gaga (and she still suck at it, it's just that Beyonce sucks harder)

 

Gaga is talented though, no need to compare who is more talented. Better to stan these two ladies than some MPGs who can't hold a note or even do a 1, 2 step on stage.