Strawberry Bubble Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 30 minutes ago, gab00 said: Not really Nelly Furtado had this massive era like Loose en 2006(?) And 12-13 years later her last album sold 1400 copies first week now that's complete and absolute extintion. Katy still has some fans and casual listeners here and there. Okay, if those are her real numbers, then it would be Nelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Katy dominated pop music for a period of time, she no longer does. It's the natural way of most successful acts: Avril Lavigne, Paula Abdul, Christina Aguilera, Olivia Newton-John etc. I think the sad part is she's flopping while working with an abuser and making horrendous music. Teenage Dream will remain the hallmark it is in pop history, but she's had the same fate most mainstream acts get a decade after their great commercial success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naval23 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 She's had like 3 consecutive -90% drops from the Witness -> Smile -> 143 run which is insane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramcoro Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 What grace? When was the fall? Most of you have been saying this for almost 10 years now. If her career has been dead for 8+ years, then why do you have to keep declaring her career dead/over? Also, critics never "loved" her, so it's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKKIMO92 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Xtina is worse. Maybe she score some hits as a feature, but I'd doesn't stop her from flopping on tour. At least Katy can still tour and did had a big tour with Witness Tour. CA flopped so miserably that Bionic tour was cancelled, and she wasn't able to tour until Liberation which was short and sweet. And then even residency is a flop with multiple attempts now. If we looked longer, we have Paula and Nelly but these two didn't last more than two eras, so not fair comparing to Katy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 1 hour ago, Ramcoro said: What grace? When was the fall? Most of you have been saying this for almost 10 years now. If her career has been dead for 8+ years, then why do you have to keep declaring her career dead/over? Also, critics never "loved" her, so it's nothing new. Yes, the thing is, her fall has been so prolonged and consistent that it's arguably becoming the biggest fall in pop music history. I can't think of any other example as significant as this one. And you're proving my point: people have been saying she's over for way too long—like, longer than anyone else, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramcoro Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 1 minute ago, Strawberry Bubble said: Yes, the thing is, her fall has been so prolonged and consistent that it's arguably becoming the biggest fall in pop music history. I can't think of any other example as significant as this one. And you're proving my point: people have been saying she's over for way too long—like, longer than anyone else, lol. No, I'm just proving internet stans are petty. People's careers fall. It happens. Look at Meghan Trainer, Halsey, Carly Rae Jepson, Dua Lipa, Christina Aguilar, Kesha, Imagine Dragons, Nelly Furtado, etc. Even older artists, like ABBA, Blondie, Cyndi Lauper, even Madonna, they have peaks and valleys and some plateau at a lower peak. This is hardly the "biggest fall" considering she takes year long breaks. You just regurgitating opinions as if they're facts. The point of saying she was "over" years ago, was if her career was done years ago, this discussion would be pointless. If Cyndi Lauper released another album this year, no one would expect it to do amazing. It wouldn't be this thread after thread by people mentally stuck in 2013. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 There are several pop stars who flopped harder than her (commercially), y'll just didn't pay attention to them, like Nelly Furtado who released a new album today as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 16 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said: Yes, the thing is, her fall has been so prolonged and consistent that it's arguably becoming the biggest fall in pop music history. I can't think of any other example as significant as this one. And you're proving my point: people have been saying she's over for way too long—like, longer than anyone else, lol. Xtina: Bionic - Lotus - Liberation - her latest Spanish album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 20 Author Share Posted September 20 3 minutes ago, Ramcoro said: No, I'm just proving internet stans are petty. People's careers fall. It happens. Look at Meghan Trainer, Halsey, Carly Rae Jepson, Dua Lipa, Christina Aguilar, Kesha, Imagine Dragons, Nelly Furtado, etc. Even older artists, like ABBA, Blondie, Cyndi Lauper, even Madonna, they have peaks and valleys and some plateau at a lower peak. This is hardly the "biggest fall" considering she takes year long breaks. You just regurgitating opinions as if they're facts. The point of saying she was "over" years ago, was if her career was done years ago, this discussion would be pointless. If Cyndi Lauper released another album this year, no one would expect it to do amazing. It wouldn't be this thread after thread by people mentally stuck in 2013. Okay, I'm going to ask you to relax and not take this personally—this is a pop music forum, and, guess what, people discuss pop music events. Are we cool? Great. Yes, many careers have fallen, but most of the artists you're mentioning didn't experience the same level of domination or a fall as significant as Katy Perry's. None of them had five number one singles from a single album, nor were they as culturally dominant as she was in her prime. And then to have such poor numbers just three years after her peak (Dark Horse → Witness) is a huge drop. I know legends like Madonna or ABBA were bigger than Katy in their day, but that's part of the discussion. Even if their newer projects aren't as successful, they still have strong touring power, respect in the music industry, and are remembered for their iconic hits. You could say this is just an internet stan bubble, but the Dr. Luke fiasco grew far beyond that. Katy has become a major example of a pop star flop. Yes, flopping is common in the music industry. But this is exactly what we're discussing. Have we ever seen an artist as big as Katy Perry fall this hard, not just commercially but also in terms of respect within the music industry? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-V-XYZ Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 5 minutes ago, OrgVisual said: Xtina: Bionic - Lotus - Liberation - her latest Spanish album You forget Burlesque (that album was successful). Anyways Bionic went Gold, Lotus went Gold and her latest Spanish album is 2x Latin Plat eligible. Katy will be lucky to go tinfoil with 143 lmao lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramcoro Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 12 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said: Okay, I'm going to ask you to relax and not take this personally—this is a pop music forum, and, guess what, people discuss pop music events. Are we cool? Great. Yes, many careers have fallen, but most of the artists you're mentioning didn't experience the same level of domination or a fall as significant as Katy Perry's. None of them had five number one singles from a single album, nor were they as culturally dominant as she was in her prime. And then to have such poor numbers just three years after her peak (Dark Horse → Witness) is a huge drop. I know legends like Madonna or ABBA were bigger than Katy in their day, but that's part of the discussion. Even if their newer projects aren't as successful, they still have strong touring power, respect in the music industry, and are remembered for their iconic hits. You could say this is just an internet stan bubble, but the Dr. Luke fiasco grew far beyond that. Katy has become a major example of a pop star flop. Yes, flopping is common in the music industry. But this is exactly what we're discussing. Have we ever seen an artist as big as Katy Perry fall this hard, not just commercially but also in terms of respect within the music industry? It's nothing new. Maybe if she went straight from Teenage Dream success to 143 I would agree, but we have been having "POP EMERGENCIES!!!" since 2017. It's has actually been a relatively steady decline. She peaked at TD. Prism was still a huge success and had her best tour, but otherwise did not match TD. We all know Witness was downhill, but still #1 album with a top #5 song. But it was 3 & 1/2 years after her previous album. Things changed a lot from 2015-2017. Smile another decline, but still get okay streams thanks to HIH going viral. That was four years ago. Considering the only things she released since then were 365, When I'm Gone, Electric. Considering how those did, we shouldn't have high expectations. Some of you all acting like she went from TD -> 143 in 6 months. Plus the album hasn't been released for even 24 hours yet. Yes, it's a pop forum. Part of the discussion is people disagree with you too. I can criticize criticism. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 6 hours ago, TaylorsSquad said: Nelly Furtado but she didn't have a hold on Pop culture just a smash Era. In Germania she's had 5 BIG albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alestevens Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I'd say J.Lo is currently in a worse position as far as her music career is concerned, with far lower lows than Katy had along the way too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbsparce Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 No bc it was a gradual decline. Most mpgs' numbers 14 years after their peak would look abysmal in comparison too. She has made her mark in pop music and has multiple legit classics so, overall, her career is nothing to laugh at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bethenny Frankel Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Xtina at least got a Grammy nom with her last English album so Katy is the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjorn Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 7 hours ago, A-V-XYZ said: Britney was. Her life fell apart in 2007 and made her retire young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 7 hours ago, suburbannature said: I would say it is Christina because even her downfall is forgotten. s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 She has very limited talent so I could foresee this. And the answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TipToe Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I don't think so. I just discovered Smile went gold in US, for example. And that era made less noise than Witness among the gee pee. The most striking factor about Katy downfall is her struggling to get hits, and she alongside Rihanna used to be a hit making machine. All of a sudden she lost that going for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcartman Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 While she came back big, Mariah deserves a mention I would say. She was even bought out of her contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 22 Author Share Posted September 22 On 9/20/2024 at 7:23 PM, alestevens said: I'd say J.Lo is currently in a worse position as far as her music career is concerned, with far lower lows than Katy had along the way too! Okay, JLO is really another of example of new lows in the music industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 22 Author Share Posted September 22 On 9/20/2024 at 8:33 PM, TipToe said: I don't think so. I just discovered Smile went gold in US, for example. And that era made less noise than Witness among the gee pee. The most striking factor about Katy downfall is her struggling to get hits, and she alongside Rihanna used to be a hit making machine. All of a sudden she lost that going for her. Yes, is weird because she's still trying to make hits, but this would be the third time she failed to achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 22 Author Share Posted September 22 On 9/20/2024 at 7:53 PM, shakeyourbombom said: She has very limited talent so I could foresee this. And the answer is yes. I actually can't think of anyone on her level who has flopped this hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Bubble Posted September 22 Author Share Posted September 22 On 9/20/2024 at 7:38 PM, Bethenny Frankel said: Xtina at least got a Grammy nom with her last English album so Katy is the worst And Christina made good music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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