ZeroSuitBritney Posted September 30 Posted September 30 People who only consider the death toll when it comes to the definition of genocide are so funny because theres literally a defintion of it in the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. 2 2
Edonis Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Samsara said: Isn't it clear? Every action taken by Israel in this ongoing conflict has been a direct response to attacks initiated by its adversaries. Ah yes, a direct action by burning famer's crops, destroying towns and villages, displacing upwards of a million people, and doing it with the self-righteousness of a demon in the process. And you're shocked most of the world hates Israel? Edited October 1 by Edonis
Samsara Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 minute ago, Edonis said: Ah yes, a direct action by burning famer's crops, destroying towns and villages, displacing upwards of a million people, and doing it with the self-righteousness of a demon in the process. And you're shocked most of the world hates Israel? Israel has long been hated by most of the world since ancient times, so it's hardly surprising that the establishment of the State of Israel, along with the unwavering determination of the Jewish people to defend their sovereign right to exist, would further intensify such animosity. 12
Edonis Posted October 1 Posted October 1 6 minutes ago, Samsara said: Israel has long been hated by most of the world since ancient times, so it's hardly surprising that the establishment of the State of Israel, along with the unwavering determination of the Jewish people to defend their sovereign right to exist, would further intensify such animosity. The sovereign right at the expense of others? Your country is literally built on the tombs of others. Keep thinking you're on the right side of history. As a matter of fact, keep thinking you're on the right side of anything. If I am to come online and be asked to criticize other ethnostates, why the hell would I keep my mouth closed for Israel.
Mean Trees Posted October 1 Posted October 1 42 minutes ago, Samsara said: That's a made up number. The official death toll as of last month stands at 43k. The Lancet is the world's most preeminent medical journal.
Communion Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Oh @Samsara got out of their cage again ? On 4/10/2024 at 8:46 PM, Communion said: Whew I knew your faux Bible theologian nonsense wall of text posts over the years where you'd write about some obscure fact on Christianity in 1456 to somehow prove its philosophical superiority were only ever a front to hide you being a Christofascist. @Samsara
judestfrancis Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Israeli supporters are SO weird sometimes. Do yall not hear yourselves! Also this is not a conflict anymore, it's an invasion. It started last night.
judestfrancis Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 hours ago, Samsara said: Nothing wrong with it and it's not genocidal. If anything, the Jewish people are the only non-Muslim ethnic group in the region well-equipped to combat Islamic terrorism and resist Islamic subjugation. If other groups like the Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians, Maronites, Copts were equally strong as the Jewish people, the Middle East & North Africa would have not been dominated by Islamic theocracies but instead be thriving multicultural societies. Nothing wrong with killing Palestinians and Lebanese people? Okay queen go off. It's not self-defense. Israel invaded Lebanon before and that before Hezbollah was even a thing. Google is free girlie. The history and the facts are out there. Genocidal maniacs.
Samsara Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 minute ago, judestfrancis said: Nothing wrong with killing Palestinians and Lebanese people? Okay queen go off. It's not self-defense. Israel invaded Lebanon before and that before Hezbollah was even a thing. Google is free girlie. The history and the facts are out there. Genocidal maniacs. Israel just decapitated the Hezbollah leadership without even stepping foot in Lebanon through precision airstrikes. This ground operation in Lebanon now is to decimate the remaining disorganized rank and file of Hezbollah. This is far from genocidal. If anything, it shows Israel is a masterclass in modern warfare. 6
Samsara Posted October 1 Posted October 1 13 minutes ago, judestfrancis said: Israeli supporters are SO weird sometimes. Do yall not hear yourselves! Also this is not a conflict anymore, it's an invasion. It started last night. The Lebanese Army is allowing it so it's not really an invasion. In fact, they withdrew from the border to let Israel get on with the job as they have done previously. 6
Chemist Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Samsara said: Israel just decapitated the Hezbollah leadership without even stepping foot in Lebanon through precision airstrikes. This ground operation in Lebanon now is to decimate the remaining disorganized rank and file of Hezbollah. This is far from genocidal. If anything, it shows Israel is a masterclass in modern warfare. If Israel were truly masterful in warfare, civilians casualties in Gaza wouldn't be so disproportionate. In any war, a priority should be the protection of civilians, which is obviously the least of the Israel concerns (as they see Palestinian lives as less human than Jewish lives, hence the term genocide). This is why a neutral organization like the ICC is seeking arrest warrant against Netanyahu. He is a war criminal through and through and, like many before him, both he and Israel WILL be remembered in history for their actions as a dark chapter in humanity's past Lebanon's fight is just starting, I wouldn't be surprised if Beirut ends up like Gaza
Samsara Posted October 1 Posted October 1 9 minutes ago, Chemist said: If Israel were truly masterful in warfare, civilians casualties in Gaza wouldn't be so disproportionate. In any war, a priority should be the protection of civilians, which is obviously the least of the Israel concerns (as they see Palestinian lives as less human than Jewish lives, hence the term genocide). This is why a neutral organization like the ICC is seeking arrest warrant against Netanyahu. He is a war criminal through and through and, like many before him, both he and Israel WILL be remembered in history for their actions as a dark chapter in humanity's past Lebanon's fight is just starting, I wouldn't be surprised if Beirut ends up like Gaza I've mentioned it already in the other thread. The civilian-to-combatant death ratio of 1.5:1 of Israeli airstrikes in Gaza since Oct 7 last year is among the lowest in urban warfare, and the lowest among the Middle East wars in recent years. Typically, around 90% of war casualties are civilians. Uniquely in Gaza, that percentage drops to a little over 50% which is really remarkable considering that Gaza is a very densely-populated, small urban area and Hamas' extensive use of human shields. That's why allegations of genocide don't hold water in light of this fact. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 6
Chemist Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Samsara said: I've mentioned it already in the other thread. The civilian-to-combatant death ratio of 1.5:1 of Israeli airstrikes in Gaza since Oct 7 last year is among the lowest in urban warfare, and the lowest among the Middle East wars in recent years. Typically, around 90% of war casualties are civilians. Uniquely in Gaza, that percentage drops to a little over 50% which is really remarkable considering that Gaza is a very densely-populated, small urban area and Hamas' extensive use of human shields. That's why allegations of genocide don't hold water in light of this fact. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 Not you quoting that fabricated figure from IDF propagandists . The UN and the WHO (neutral organizations) trust the Palestinian Health Authorities (which may even be underreporting casualties as there are thousands under the ruble) over the IDF, which means that the 1.5:1 ratio is more like 13:1 ratio Please stop believing the wild propaganda from your government and start citing actual credible sources https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/
family.guy123 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Chemist said: Not you quoting that fabricated figure from IDF propagandists . The UN and the WHO (neutral organizations) trust the Palestinian Health Authorities (which may even be underreporting casualties as there are thousands under the ruble) over the IDF, which means that the 1.5:1 ratio is more like 13:1 ratio Please stop believing the wild propaganda from your government and start citing actual credible sources https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/ Your source: The Palestinian Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification. where is the 13:1 coming from? 2
Chemist Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, family.guy123 said: Your source: The Palestinian Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification. where is the 13:1 coming from? Same source: "The Health Ministry's Waheidi said men of fighting age represent only a fraction of all identified victims." "majority of identified victims being women and children"
family.guy123 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 48 minutes ago, Chemist said: Same source: "The Health Ministry's Waheidi said men of fighting age represent only a fraction of all identified victims." "majority of identified victims being women and children" Right, majority being 56% according to Palestinian data. I'm asking where that user's 1:13 ratio is coming from. 2
Nova_23 Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Did i seriously just read someone say that Israel is a master class in war fare? The only thing Israel knows how to do is bomb indiscriminately killing and destroying everything it touches. Even the strike that killed Hezbollah leader wasn't precise. How can it be precise when a whole block was wiped off the map? How can you claim they're good at warfare when the civilian casualties are in the hundreds of thousands? Unless of course you think being a master class of ware means having a civilian body count in the hundreds of thousands. But otherwise no. They still haven't beaten Hamas yet in Gaza because that would actually entail them in fighting on the ground but everyone knows IDF soldiers are a bunch of cowards who don't know how to fight. 1 1
Creationist.X Posted October 1 Posted October 1 I hope israel vanishes now although i think this is all a propaganda! The sirens in israel are music to my ears. I cannot comprehend how Americans can allow their taxes to fund the killing of innocent people, or how there has been no significant movement to stop this. The world watches as this is normalized. How can the United Nations remain silent, applauding Israel's actions? You call 9/11 terrorism, but flattening entire streets filled with residential buildings is somehow considered an act of defense for Israel? I've lost so many people already, and most of my family in the south have lost their homes. No, we are not hiding weapons or bombs inside our houses. Israel simply wants to destroy buildings and kill more children. I don't know if I'll be able to continue my life normally or if I'll be killed by an airstrike, but if I survive, it's the world that I'll blame for doing nothing. To hell with Kamala, Trump, Netanyahu, and all world leaders. They are genocidal, and I wish nothing but the worst for those who support or applaud them. I dont how i am expected to continue to do my job while everyone around me pretends that Arab people being mass murdered is no big deal. 11
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