discussion Joker: FAD to lose $150-200M, one of the biggest box office bombs ever

[Assassin]

  On 10/13/2024 at 4:09 AM, Technicolor said:

The way this is shaping up to be one of biggest box office bombs of all time... at least it will be in good company with other cinema classics like The Flash, Fantastic Four and The Marvels

 

 

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The Marvels was actually pretty decent compared to the other two you mentioned

[Assassin]

  On 10/13/2024 at 8:21 AM, stevyy said:

It's already grossed $123,7 million according to box office mojo...

 

 

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And? That's absolutely terrible.

[Shelter]

Is @Pikacho a Gaga Stan? 
 

The last few weeks on here have been iconic. 3 weeks of getting blasted from all angles, how are the monsters coping. The Kats must be so relieved someone else took the heat of them 

 

[CozySkin]

  On 10/13/2024 at 8:21 AM, stevyy said:

It's already grossed $123,7 million according to box office mojo...

 

 

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Wow, this is terrible. 

[Trash]

Its the Halloween freeze

[Giorgoc]

  On 10/12/2024 at 8:35 PM, midnightdawn said:

Poor little monsters

 

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Have we though?

 

We've been getting so much content I personally don't give a f if anything or everything is flopping. I don't stan numbers, I stan talent. And EVERYTHING she's been associated with this year has been good in terms of performance. Yes, Joker 2 was really bad IMO but she was good in the few scenes that she was in.

 

But y'all go ahead and get your life, we've been doing the same with others flopping so it's only fair!

[DREAMERS]

Where are all of those clairvoyants who claimed this was going to be grossing 1B at the box office whilst Gaga was sweeping up awards left and right? I guess they didn't see this

 

dive coming…

 

[NoAngelus]

It must be hard being gaga fan, her success and acclaim always depends on a man 

 

but at least they'll always have 8 track mini album from 2009 with 3 fillers 

[Dark Miracles]

  On 10/12/2024 at 8:02 PM, Hurem said:

Y'all still trying to make this about Gaga as if she's the reason it's flopping  No matter how much you try to spin it, her acting was praised and she did her part. If anything, people are complaining she wasn't enough in the movie.

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Not only are Liddos conflating her being "underused" or "the only good thing in a REALLY bad movie" with "praise" or even "acclaim", but they also fail to realise that the atomic bombing of this sequel to a billion dollar grossing movie completely destroys her credentials as a box office draw which is the main reason why studios would even hire well-known performers from other fields in entertainment for their movies

[NoAngelus]

  On 10/12/2024 at 9:31 PM, Lyrical. said:

She was so confident it would smash, releasing an entire solo album for it. How embarrassing. 

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Not everyone can release jazz album with ORIGINAL songs based on a character from a movie and smash with sales and singles

 

 

 

[NoAngelus]

  On 10/12/2024 at 9:44 PM, Hurem said:

 

74.3 million streams in a week  

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Gaga's JFAD 7m in a second week  

[Hurem]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:38 AM, Dark Miracles said:

Not only are Liddos conflating her being "underused" or "the only good thing in a REALLY bad movie" with "praise" or even "acclaim", but they also fail to realise that the atomic bombing of this sequel to a billion dollar grossing movie completely destroys her credentials as a box office draw which is the main reason why studios would even hire well-known performers from other fields in entertainment for their movies

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Forty-three percent went to Joker 2 because of Phoenix, 39% went because of Gaga

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https://deadline.com/2024/10/box-office-joker-folie-a-deux-1236107521/

 

Any other narrative you wanna make up?

 

 

 

[Hurem]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:43 AM, NoAngelus said:

Gaga's JFAD 7m in a second week  

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I'm sure Gaga had as much impact on the film as the director and/or the screenwriters

[NoAngelus]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:49 AM, Hurem said:

I'm sure Gaga had as much impact on the film as the director and/or the screenwriters

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But if movie was acclaimed success you would be here claiming it was gaga's impact like in the past  

[Hurem]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, NoAngelus said:

But if movie was acclaimed success you would be here claiming it was gaga's impact like in the past  

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Well maybe if Todd gave Gaga more creative freedom, the movie might've been more acclaimed, unlike now when he cut her so much out of the movie that the final product ended up PANNED 

Edited October 13, 2024 by Hurem

[halcyonday]

That one Monster hanging on for his dear life in the Joker 2 BOMB thread with the Bruno Mars song's numbers is SENDING ME

 

[Digitalism]

  On 10/13/2024 at 6:37 AM, AlanRickman1946 said:

What in the clairvoyant @Digitalism

 

Digitalism

Posted June 16, 2022

The mosters are so focused on what Gaga would get out of this because Joaquin won an oscar for it that they are not thinking how bad of an idea this could turn out to be. 

 

 

 

First of all I don't think a campy musical is a good career move for her. Sounds like more of the same and makes Gaga look like a one trick pony 

 

But also you have to think about the project itself. Joker's audience is mostly straight white males and the stans of the movie are literally incels. 

 

Those males only watch Scorsese, Nolan and Comic book/ action movies. A musical is not their cup of tea. They have been complaining about it being a musical on the internet since it was announced. In addition if the movie is a musical and it's bad Lady Gaga will get the blame for it and it will alienate her even more from straight men

 

This would work if they push the rated r aspect of the movie to win those straight but the thing is if it is too gritty it won't do well with the oscar voters. Comic book movies are already hated by the voters. This is definetly not a safe bet 

 

Another aspect to take into account is that this is a sequel of a 1 billion dollar movie and it's probably getting a bigger budget.

 

If it does less money than the first Gaga will be dragged for it eventhough she probably won't deserve it since the problem is it being a musical

 

 

 

What I'm trying to say is this is not the best move for her. There's too much that could go wrong. if all that she wants is an oscar, she could try whith other type of movies that are much more Oscar friendly and make her show more range as an actress

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It was so easy to see and yet the monsters were so brave

[Solar]

Like imagine this exact same film without Lady Gaga's base buying tickets… an atomic bomb! so they should actually thank her and her fan base for saving some face for this movie on both commercial performance and critical reception (her acting being 1 of the few things acclaimed).

[Digitalism]

  On 10/13/2024 at 10:11 AM, Pop said:

ActGa JazzGa is finally dead. 

 

 

Now bring on LG7 and the tour. 

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This is what I don't get from monsters

Popga finally has a hit and she flopped with jazz and movies. Shouldn't they be celebrating? As a monster hater myself I rather them prasing her for pop music than for movies were her acting is mid. 

[Hurem]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:59 AM, halcyonday said:

That one Monster hanging on for his dear life in the Joker 2 BOMB thread with the Bruno Mars song's numbers is SENDING ME

 

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And what's sending me is that you are desperately trying to make a correlation between J:FAD bombing and Gaga's music career (despite her having the biggest song in the world, which makes y'all look like clowns)

 

[Dark Miracles]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:48 AM, Hurem said:

https://deadline.com/2024/10/box-office-joker-folie-a-deux-1236107521/

 

Any other narrative you wanna make up?

 

 

 

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The movie pulled a NINETY percent drop from 1st Friday to 2nd Friday and the 1st Friday was already bad, 39% going to watch for her is not something you wanna be flexing at all right now

[Weld_E]

  On 10/13/2024 at 12:04 PM, Solar said:

Like imagine this exact same film without Lady Gaga's base buying tickets… an atomic bomb! so they should actually thank her and her fan base for saving some face for this movie on both commercial performance and critical reception (her acting being 1 of the few things acclaimed).

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The same base that streamed Harliquen?

Edited October 13, 2024 by Weld_E

[Draper.]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:56 AM, Hurem said:

Well maybe if Todd gave Gaga more creative freedom, the movie might've been more acclaimed, unlike now when he cut her so much out of the movie that the final product ended up PANNED 

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More Gaga scenes wouldn't have saved that movie. lmao

[halcyonday]

  On 10/13/2024 at 12:10 PM, Hurem said:

And what's sending me is that you are desperately trying to make a correlation between J:FAD bombing and Gaga's music career (despite her having the biggest song in the world, which makes y'all look like clowns)

 

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Keep fighting girlie, your almost as strong as the -80% DROP

 

[NoAngelus]

  On 10/13/2024 at 11:56 AM, Hurem said:

Well maybe if Todd gave Gaga more creative freedom, the movie might've been more acclaimed, unlike now when he cut her so much out of the movie that the final product ended up PANNED 

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 did you really force yourself to believe that she was cut and movie is panned because of that? Give up sis.