discussion Joker: FAD to lose $150-200M, one of the biggest box office bombs ever

[Phaunzie]

1 hour ago, eleganceislearned said:

Why is this 18 pages.  I mean this is a stan place, I know this is a lot of Kats and OGH's trying to get their licks in after the LM's had a good laugh at Katy's recent…everything, and this Die With a Smile success, all the old history etc. That said, why are LM's even entertaining it much? This isn't going to kill, or realistically even dent Gaga's career, she will no doubt book more great parts after this - what actress doesn't have any misfires and straight out bombs? None. 

The threads got merged together.

[RideOrDie]

1 hour ago, eleganceislearned said:

Why is this 18 pages.  I mean this is a stan place, I know this is a lot of Kats and OGH's trying to get their licks in after the LM's had a good laugh at Katy's recent…everything, and this Die With a Smile success, all the old history etc. That said, why are LM's even entertaining it much? This isn't going to kill, or realistically even dent Gaga's career, she will no doubt book more great parts after this - what actress doesn't have any misfires and straight out bombs? None. 

don't you know the standards for gaga are that every movie she makes is supposed to be universally acclaimed and "break even" for it to be successful (even though there's no actress with that kind of filmography success) otherwise she is a flop and over even though she will keep bagging all these impressive roles and projects? 

Edited September 29 by RideOrDie

[justlore]

[Pilgs]

Why do people keep saying Joaquin is bad? He literally won best actor at the Oscar's for the first Joker

[NoAngelus]

Quick announce director's cut Joker 2: I LOVE YOU MORE

[fridayteenage]

hmm the first one opened with $96M

[Gossip_Boy]

Living up to its name. "Joker: FAD" indeed.

 

Anyway, **** Joaquin Phoenix after the whole Todd Haynes fiasco. I hope it tanks even more

[rzal]

41 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

don't you know the standards for gaga are that every movie she makes is supposed to be universally acclaimed and "break even" for it to be successful (even though there's no actress with that kind of filmography success) otherwise she is a flop and over even though she will keep bagging all these impressive roles and projects? 

Well she only books high budget, high profile movies so of course the expectations are high  

[Amaranth]

33 minutes ago, fridayteenage said:

hmm the first one opened with $96M

Gaga box office poison confirmed. 

[RideOrDie]

1 minute ago, rzal said:

Well she only books high budget, high profile movies so of course the expectations are high  

wbk joker 2 was not going to match the first one's success from the day it was announced to be a musical  it's a risky passion project for everyone involved, they would not have done this riskier take if they were chasing some box office smashery, this is not some high budget GP appealing marvel movie which would be embarrassing if it flopped 

[Amaranth]

8 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

wbk joker 2 was not going to match the first one's success from the day it was announced to be a musical  it's a risky passion project for everyone involved, they would not have done this riskier take if they were chasing some box office smashery, this is not some high budget GP appealing marvel movie which would be embarrassing if it flopped 

The day it was announced Gaga was the co lead. 
 

OT: Hope it doesn't lose much money to WB!

[R.E.M.]

54 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

don't you know the standards for gaga are that every movie she makes is supposed to be universally acclaimed and "break even" for it to be successful (even though there's no actress with that kind of filmography success) otherwise she is a flop and over even though she will keep bagging all these impressive roles and projects? 

The problem is the gaps between films. Yes, every actor has flops in their filmography but it's easy to overlook when you you have upcoming projects down the pipeline to soften the blow and prove you can bounce back. Since making her acting debut 6 years ago, she's been in 3 films. 

• A Star is Born (2018)
• House of Gucci (2021)
• Joker: FAD (2024)

That kind of output (and how selective she is with projects) means she needs to meet the mark every single time.

[X~MoviePoP]

The hype hasnt been good 

[RideOrDie]

5 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

The problem is the gaps between films. Yes, every actor has flops in their filmography but it's easy to overlook when you you have upcoming projects down the pipeline to soften the blow and prove you can bounce back. Since making her acting debut 6 years ago, she's been in 3 films. 

• A Star is Born (2018)
• House of Gucci (2021)
• Joker: FAD (2024)

That kind of output (and how selective she is with projects) means she needs to meet the mark every single time.

that's because she is also a musician, she can't be making movies every single year. she also doesn't need to prove anything with the success of her movies, the only thing that matters is that her performances get acclaimed every single time which is her contribution to these projects, she's not the screenwriter nor the director nor the studio behind them to be worrying about box office numbers or how the script/direction is received. 

 

film fans, critics, GP have all accepted Gaga as a skilled actress. she will keep getting booked, she picks characters that she feels passionate about and gives her all every single time, she gets rave reviews for her performances, this is what matters to an ACTRESS of a movie. the rest are not her marks to meet and it is baffling to expect that from one actress in a cast. those are misplaced expectations. 

 

she meets the marks for her performances which is all that she is responsible for. how can she do anything about box office numbers or how the rest are received?

Edited September 29 by RideOrDie

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

Gaga in 20% of the movie - $55M opening

Gaga in 100% of the movie - $150M opening 

 

That's the truth. Deal with it, OGHs.

 

[Superbitch]

It's the fact that it's a musical. Incels don't wanna watch ******* joker musicals 

[Villas]

Suddenly isn't Gaga's Joker anymore, right? It's interesting how little monsters move so quickly to her career music when it's not clicking however there aren't many numbers to count when her last album is doing worse than 143 

[R.E.M.]

3 minutes ago, RideOrDie said:

that's because she is also a musician, she can't be making movies every single year. she also doesn't need to prove anything with the success of her movies, the only thing that matters is that her performances get acclaimed every single time which is her contribution to these projects, she's not the screenwriter nor the director nor the studio behind them to be worrying about box office numbers or how the script/direction is received. 

 

film fans, critics, GP have all accepted Gaga as a skilled actress. she will keep getting booked, she picks characters that she feels passionate about and gives her all every single time, she gets rave reviews for her performances, this is what matters to an ACTRESS of a movie. the rest are not her marks to meet and it is baffling to expect that from one actress in a cast. those are misplaced expectations. 

 

she meets the marks for her performances which is all that she is responsible for. how can she do anything about box office numbers or how the rest are received?

I don't disagree with you, I'm just offering an explanation as to why the expectations are so high for her. I don't think this movie will, by any means, damage her star power or ability to get booked in future roles. However, to act like commercial success doesn't influence casting agents is also a bit naive - the whole idea behind the 'movie star' moniker is the idea that one performer has the draw to bring in audience members to see the film (and there are plenty of bad actresses who get huge roles based on name/star power alone). 

 

Regardless of how JFAD performs, Gaga will be fine and I have no idea why people are losing their minds over its projected opening numbers. But this is also ATRL where nuance and critical thinking are rare to come by (and I say that for both OGHs and LMs). Anyone thinking that a courtroom drama musical would appeal to anyone besides its core target demographic is delusional. It's also disingenuous to compare a decline to the first Joker movie which is a completely different genre. 

[RideOrDie]

1 minute ago, R.E.M. said:

I don't disagree with you, I'm just offering an explanation as to why the expectations are so high for her. I don't think this movie will, by any means, damage her star power or ability to get booked in future roles. However, to act like commercial success doesn't influence casting agents is also a bit naive - the whole idea behind the 'movie star' moniker is the idea that one performer has the draw to bring in audience members to see the film (and there are plenty of bad actresses who get huge roles based on name/star power alone). 

 

Regardless of how JFAD performs, Gaga will be fine and I have no idea why people are losing their minds over its projected opening numbers. But this is also ATRL where nuance and critical thinking are rare to come by (and I say that for both OGHs and LMs). Anyone thinking that a courtroom drama musical would appeal to anyone besides its core target demographic is delusional. It's also disingenuous to compare a decline to the first Joker movie which is a completely different genre. 

i am actually shocked that there are intellectual people on ATRL, the OGHs been too loud in the last few days it was getting a bit too low IQ around here but you corrected that a bit sister. miss ga continues having a successful acting and music career while OGHs are still crying and scrambling over cover projects and things that are not her fault or responsibility. the way my faves have actual demand, talent, success and respect while others have none of these... i'd be fuming too.

 

[bjorn]

I'm so here for the opening weekend numbers. Anyone else?

 

[Jay07]

I will say that suggesting the movie isn't tracking well because Gaga isn't in it enough and not because it was an ill conceived idea that completely misjudged its audience from the very beginning has to be the most insane copium I've ever seen on this board. The origin story of Joker was finished so there was no need for this film, not to mention that its writer/director isn't talented enough to come up with an original story himself without ripping off Taxi Driver. In addition to that, trying to sell a musical starring Lady Gaga to all the incel comic book nerds that have a meltdown whenever a movie features a character that isn't a straight, white male was a disaster waiting to happen. The movie isn't tanking because Lady Gaga isn't in it enough, it's tanking because they put her in it in the first place.

 

But I hate those incels so by all means, take their favorite stuff away from them.

[Kylizzle]

"Gaga isn't in it enough" excuse doesn't work when she's on every poster, the center of all the marketing, and the GP thinks this is Joker (Gaga's Version) 

[Cheers]

2 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

"Gaga isn't in it enough" excuse doesn't work when she's on every poster, the center of all the marketing, and the GP thinks this is Joker (Gaga's Version) 

right? like if the GP is supposed to know her scenes were allegedly cut  

[Arcadius]

The incel men who flocked to see the first Joker have no interest in watching a musical. This is all on Todd Phillips and WB for being dumb enough to not recognize that.
 

If anything Gaga is probably saving this film from debuting even lower. 

[IBeMe]

its a musical and they lied about it while marketing the film which turned off critics which then amplified the distaste for the movie even more. They you also lose the excitement of Gaga's very big and loyal fan base by knowing she is only 50 minutes in the movie and u have yourself a recipe for disappointing figures. Incels dont win, monsters dont win, critics dont like it and the GP is tired / burnt out from musicals