Wicked Posted September 8 Posted September 8 1 minute ago, Jay07 said: No, I'm sorry, the touch grass excuse doesn't fly here and no, I cannot imagine "leftist" (the word you used) and MAGA people being able to compromise those views. Independent and conservative sure, progessive and democrat maybe but leftist getting together with fascist (again your own descriptor of the MAGA movement) nope. And looking at the stuff posted above, Mahomes is no leftist, that was your wishful thinking. Mahomes is the Michael Jordan of the NFL lol he's never going to say anything in either direction, he just ****** up having tweets that do point at his political beliefs to some degree. As someone who does follow the NFL, I think he's conservative. Whether he supports Trump idk but his wife clearly does.
Jay07 Posted September 8 Posted September 8 1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said: Is Brittany really the January 6 type of MAGAt or is she just a Conservative by upbringing? I genuinely don't know, and I feel like yall are giving a lot of flack to a midwestern white girl for being republican when let's be real.. that's the statistical majority of them. Taylor is ironically the anomaly here and that's largely due to her career in the arts, where she meets people from all walks of life. Brittany, on the other hand, has only ever lived in her privileged bubble and it's more likely that it just hasn't popped than it is that she is a disciple of fascism hoping for the fall of modern democracy. I don't know, I'm tired of arguing about these rich people and then read about @More Than A Melody being in very real danger of having his life upended. At the measure that Taylor can influence the election, I hope she does the right thing and I hope her own fans can push her towards that. 2
The Music Industry Posted September 8 Posted September 8 (edited) 15 pages of essays over a hug. ATRL is such an unserious place Edited September 8 by The Music Industry 3 1
wastedpotential Posted September 8 Posted September 8 2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: Is Brittany really the January 6 type of MAGAt or is she just a Conservative by upbringing? I genuinely don't know, and I feel like yall are giving a lot of flack to a midwestern white girl for being republican when let's be real.. that's the statistical majority of them. Taylor is ironically the anomaly here and that's largely due to her career in the arts, where she meets people from all walks of life. Brittany, on the other hand, has only ever lived in her privileged bubble and it's more likely that it just hasn't popped than it is that she is a disciple of fascism hoping for the fall of modern democracy. Both Brittany and Patrick grew up in a town outside Tyler that's not too far from where parts of my family hail from and I've indirectly met multiple people that came out of their high school. There are certainly a few who get off while reading the Project 2025 immigration playbook, but most of them (and this is based off of several conversations) don't give a damn about what's happening in Washington except that their taxes are too high and the libs want to take their shotguns. Brittany... doesn't strike me as the kind of person pouring over the GOP policy manifesto with a fine tooth comb looking for the specifics of each line, I think she's a Trump supporter because her parents, and her high school teachers, and the pastor at the church she grew up in are, and she's never given any thought to why she might disagree with them, so why start now? I don't think she spends her mornings pouring over like... whatever Tucker Carlson posted the night before. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted September 8 Posted September 8 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: I don't know, I'm tired of arguing about these rich people and then read about @More Than A Melody being in very real danger of having his life upended. At the measure that Taylor can influence the election, I hope she does the right thing and I hope her own fans can push her towards that. I agree, wholeheartedly, with everything said here. 2 1
Tylerbv Posted September 8 Posted September 8 I think she's Republican but not a Trump fan. Regardless, the people she associates with allow Republicans to claim her which is probably a "win" for them.
Slap Posted September 8 Posted September 8 Yeah this isn't a good look and I would genuinely be shocked if she isn't ambivalent about the dangers of another Trump presidency, I doubt she supports his social ideology but he certainly is beneficial to her as an incredibly rich individual. She embodies a lot of the facets of late stage white feminism with the moral outrage on issues that don't suit her during her career such as the significant misogyny she has faced, and an expectation to never be called out for when she is the one with the power making decisions that aren't so great and kicking the ladder down behind her. Feel sorry for my oppression but don't call me out for when I don't care about the oppression of others. But most celebrities are narcissistic and it makes sense they only care about themselves, their fans enable this dynamic and that's the point of American celebrity anyway. The fact people are like oh no it's so difficult for her to not associate with or hug people like this because it's mildly inconvenient or awkward fails to recognize the power this woman clearly holds and treats her like she's not a grown woman who is clearly capable of walking away from situations and people she doesn't like to approve of (and putting them on blast in her music to great success). compare this to somebody from a minority without the money and power she has and how genuinely terrified they are of what another Trump presidency could mean for them. It's a lot worse than a slightly awkward interaction or her husband's performance in sport ball. I think the ideal situation is that people stop caring what celebrity's political views are and vote for themselves. Celebrities are all extremely narcissistic and wealthy and most wealthy people support candidates who reroute precious funds for healthcare and social security into massive tax breaks for themselves as well as maintaining the status quo of a very unequal society designed to allow people with money the ability to buy their way out of every problem. Bad PR for private jets and gouging your fans with ticket prices, just throw some money at your crew for a big heartwarming story. They are going to vote for themselves of course. The problem isn't them it's society listening to people who clearly only care about themselves and expecting them to care about others or to guide society to a better future for the collective good. if she was a regular person sure her ambivalence wouldn't really be a big deal, couple it with her money, power and celebrity and it actually is. Those things come with moral dilemmas and responsibilities and while we are accepting of most people shirking them or paying their way out of them, it's probably worth admitting that she is the most powerful woman in the world right now, she's pretty capable of managing her optics and choosing who she associates with. She's not a regular person, like, at all, so suggesting it's too much to expect her to choose her company more carefully (if it indeed matters to her) is just enabling and infantilizing a grown, very powerful woman. 4
Britney Spears Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 minute ago, Slap said: Yeah this isn't a good look and I would genuinely be shocked if she isn't ambivalent about the dangers of another Trump presidency, I doubt she supports his social ideology but he certainly is beneficial to her as an incredibly rich individual. She embodies a lot of the facets of late stage white feminism with the moral outrage on issues that don't suit her during her career such as the significant misogyny she has faced, and an expectation to never be called out for when she is the one with the power making decisions that aren't so great and kicking the ladder down behind her. Feel sorry for my oppression but don't call me out for when I don't care about the oppression of others. But most celebrities are narcissistic and it makes sense they only care about themselves, their fans enable this dynamic and that's the point of American celebrity anyway. The fact people are like oh no it's so difficult for her to not associate with or hug people like this because it's mildly inconvenient or awkward fails to recognize the power this woman clearly holds and treats her like she's not a grown woman who is clearly capable of walking away from situations and people she doesn't like to approve of (and putting them on blast in her music to great success). compare this to somebody from a minority without the money and power she has and how genuinely terrified they are of what another Trump presidency could mean for them. It's a lot worse than a slightly awkward interaction or her husband's performance in sport ball. I think the ideal situation is that people stop caring what celebrity's political views are and vote for themselves. Celebrities are all extremely narcissistic and wealthy and most wealthy people support candidates who reroute precious funds for healthcare and social security into massive tax breaks for themselves as well as maintaining the status quo of a very unequal society designed to allow people with money the ability to buy their way out of every problem. Bad PR for private jets and gouging your fans with ticket prices, just throw some money at your crew for a big heartwarming story. They are going to vote for themselves of course. The problem isn't them it's society listening to people who clearly only care about themselves and expecting them to care about others or to guide society to a better future for the collective good. if she was a regular person sure her ambivalence wouldn't really be a big deal, couple it with her money, power and celebrity and it actually is. Those things come with moral dilemmas and responsibilities and while we are accepting of most people shirking them or paying their way out of them, it's probably worth admitting that she is the most powerful woman in the world right now, she's pretty capable of managing her optics and choosing who she associates with. She's not a regular person, like, at all, so suggesting it's too much to expect her to choose her company more carefully (if it indeed matters to her) is just enabling and infantilizing a grown, very powerful woman. Ok 1 1 1 2
Peak Now Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) All this over a hug I I'm sure yall will be equally upset when Kamala goes shaking hands with potential Trump supporters in Michigan or some other swing state Edited September 9 by AndThenTheCocaine
NEX Posted September 9 Posted September 9 What is this thread and its length 💀 Does everything have to be black and white in this world. Trump supporters are also people. This extreme polarisation will be the end of western civilization I swear
nostalgic Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Not y'all falling for this reveuse part 2 troll job. Literally the exact same song and dance right down to them claiming to be a black woman and unstanning over exaggerated BS 2 1
Prisoner Posted September 9 Posted September 9 35 minutes ago, Clauss said: I strongly advise people to have a social circle that differs from your perspective. It really helps to expand your understanding. You are not a better person if you just met with people you "get along with" in certain political or religious things. This thread is a clear view of why the United States is in such a bipolar position. You don't know how to get along past your differences, and that is why democracy is failing Yes we like including Trump supporters in our circles to broaden our worldview. This isn't just a left vs right issue, its maga plz 4
tiagol88 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 25 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: 15 pages of essays over a hug. ATRL is such an unserious place Atrl is looking for an excuse to cancel taylor. She's the biggest celebrity out there, bigger than everyone's faves right now. Taylor is someone that doesn't do interviews and barely shows up. A hug is all they have 2 1
SoulKiwi Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) She should have refused the hug, spit on her, then left in protest of a Trump supporter being at the US Open Right? Edited September 9 by SoulKiwi 1
Pheromosa Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Oh @Teen Spirit girl, you've done it, you did your big one 1
ATRL Moderator Oxygen Posted September 9 ATRL Moderator Posted September 9 So much for “it’s only a hug” 4
family.guy123 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 25 minutes ago, NEX said: What is this thread and its length 💀 Does everything have to be black and white in this world. Trump supporters are also people. This extreme polarisation will be the end of western civilization I swear Yes it does, according to Swifties in the billboard threads for the past 3 years 1 1
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