discussion Americans: will you be voting for a genocide supporter in November?

[Jon Snow]

the question should be: will you vote for genocide option or make sure that even more genocide (and who knows what else) option wins easily?

Edited September 4 by Jon Snow

[Dula Peep]

24 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

Netanyahu actively wanting Trump to win speaks volumes. 

I really am starting to think he's working with Trump to keep this conflict going so that Dems lose because they know it's dividing the party…

 

..we are playing right into what they want

[Sugar-Rush]

I don't see what the point of shaming voters is or what alternatives we can take? Either we vote for Kamala and Palestinians die, or we vote for Trump and Palestinians die, or we vote for neither and Palestinians die.

Edited September 4 by Sugar-Rush

[YourFavoriteWeapon]

Would you rather vote for a genocide supporter who will ensure that the middle class will be protected, abortion will stay legal, trans and gay people will be free from discrimination, and that people will be able for receive overtime pay and affordable healthcare…or would you rather vote for a genocide supporter who wants to abolish all of those things? 

[Sprite]

4 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

I don't see what the point of shaming voters is or what alternatives we can take? Either we vote for Kamala and Palestinians die, or we vote for Trump and Palestinians die, or we vote for neither and Palestinians die.

Was there really a Palestinian genocide when Trump was in office? Uh... nope!

[Josh]

So what you'd rather us vote for Trump instead? You're not an American so why do you care?

[Sprite]

Biden-Harris brought this devastation to the Middle East, so I'm voting for the candidate who actually brought relative peace when he was president...

 

Edited September 4 by Sprite

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, Sprite said:

Was there really a Palestinian genocide when Trump was in office? Uh... nope!

You're one of those Twinks for Trump aren't you

[MistressKay]

The USA is not going to cut ties with Israel. I'm not a single issue voter but I know we have a better chance of ceasefire with Kamala than Trump

 

Trump is a major Netanyahu supporter.

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

I don't see what the point of shaming voters is or what alternatives we can take? Either we vote for Kamala and Palestinians die, or we vote for Trump and Palestinians die, or we vote for neither and Palestinians die.

It sounds like Harris should be denied the ability to proceed with her campaign and people hold the Democratic Party to a complete standstill until she listens to the will of the voters and ends arms sales to Israel, no?

[BOOMBAYAH]

Just now, Sprite said:

Was there really a Palestinian genocide when Trump was in office? Uh... nope!

What is the implication that Trump would have a better stance and approach to Israel-Palestine than Biden and Kamala Harris...

 

 

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"Let them [Israel] go and let them finish the job. He doesn't want to do it. He's become like a Palestinian, but they don't like him because he's a very bad Palestinian."

[Riverbank]

They're letting people out of the Communion training camps earlier than usual this election season I see

[Sprite]

4 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

What is the implication that Trump would have a better stance and approach to Israel-Palestine than Biden and Kamala Harris...

 

 

because he's already been president... and yet there was no war under his leadership... which means we know what I'll be like under him again. Don't trust words, but actions, especially in politics.

[RunUpDoneUp]

What an odd question. Why wouldn't americans vote for a candidate in an election between a fascist party and a non-fascist one?

 

Especially when one uses palestinian as a slur while the other wants a ceasefire?

[heckinglovato]

23 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Fair enough. I just assumed that, since your profile picture is Ariana and this is primarily a pop music forum, your focus here would be more on stanning rather than politics. My bad.

 

This argument seems like virtue signaling. It might make sense if everyone were on board with not voting, potentially leading to a revolution, but that's not the reality right now and likely won't be in November. People will vote, and either Trump or Kamala will be president in a few months, so not voting in this case is essentially throwing away your vote. I understand your point that both sides will support Israel, and I get why some people might choose not to vote, but I'm not going to criticize those who vote for Kamala. The reality is that Kamala is likely to be better on domestic women's, racial, and queer rights. The U.S. will be different depending on who is president and which party has more influence. It doesn't make sense to call liberal or progressive Americans who choose to vote for the option that won't drag the nation into a white nationalist Christian state dumb, inhumane, or evil, especially when they have no other viable option at this time and particularly if they belong to a group that is likely to be marginalized under Trump (queer, Black, Latino, female, etc.). Ideally, America would have a candidate who is better on Palestine than either of the current options, but that's not the case. So, you might as well vote for the person who is at least more likely to advocate for marginalized groups and has some chance of influencing a more decent stance on the Palestine-Israel conflict than one who is outright insane and conservative.

 

23 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

the question should be: will you vote for genocide option or make sure that even more genocide (and who knows what else) option wins easily?

 

21 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

I don't see what the point of shaming voters is or what alternatives we can take? Either we vote for Kamala and Palestinians die, or we vote for Trump and Palestinians die, or we vote for neither and Palestinians die.

 

18 minutes ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said:

Would you rather vote for a genocide supporter who will ensure that the middle class will be protected, abortion will stay legal, trans and gay people will be free from discrimination, and that people will be able for receive overtime pay and affordable healthcare…or would you rather vote for a genocide supporter who wants to abolish all of those things? 

 

13 minutes ago, Josh said:

So what you'd rather us vote for Trump instead? You're not an American so why do you care?

 

9 minutes ago, MistressKay said:

The USA is not going to cut ties with Israel. I'm not a single issue voter but I know we have a better chance of ceasefire with Kamala than Trump

 

Trump is a major Netanyahu supporter.

So you're saying it's better to support a candidate who funds/facilitates genocide abroad but is better on domestic issues, over someone who funds/facilitates genocide abroad and is conservative/bad on domestic issues.

 

My question is (which 0 people have answered yet): would you still support Kamala if she funded/facilitated domestic genocide in the states against a certain American ethnic minority group, but was good/progressive on other domestic issues? (Assuming Trump also supports domestic genocide, but was bad/conservative on other domestic issues)

 

 

Edited September 4 by heckinglovato

[Josh]

Just now, heckinglovato said:

 

 

 

 

 

So you're saying it's better to support a candidate who funds/facilitates genocide abroad but is better on domestic issues, over someone who funds/facilitates genocide anbroad and is bad on domestic issues.

 

My question is (which 0 people have answered yet): would you still support Kamala if she funded/facilitated domestic genocide in the states against a certain American ethnic minority group, but was good/progressive on other domestic issues? (Assuming Trump also supports domestic genocide, but was bad/conservative on other domestic issues)

 

 

so again you'd rather us vote for a man who's mission is to take the women's right for abortion?

[heckinglovato]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

so again you'd rather us vote for a man who's mission is to take the women's right for abortion?

I wouldn't be voting for any candidate who supports genocide, and I'd instead be in the streets rioting against my government. That's my answer. 

 

Again, what would be your answer to my hypothetical question? 

Edited September 4 by heckinglovato

[Josh]

Just now, heckinglovato said:

I wouldn't be voting for any candidates who supports genocide, and I'd instead be in the streets rioting against my government. That's my answer. 

 

Again, what would be your answer to my hypothetical question? 

You're not an American so what difference does this make to you? 

[JBJT2786]

1 hour ago, If U Seek Amy said:

Yes I will. I am not a single issue voter and there is more at stake than Palestine. If I am getting genocide either way then I am going to do what I believe cuts our losses best rather than just let it go to hell under Trump. Not voting is not going to change what happens in any way. I respect your decision to not vote as that is your right. If you want to demonize me and others who do vote I guess good for you. Please proceed to do so but it is not going to change my choice to vote. You're just yelling at the wall basically. This is basically a daily conversation already in ATRL in other threads that goes back and forth unending

They know they're always the one who  starts it.

 

OT: voting for a US president will not change the issue that will go on over there. Protests and the consistent pressure on the US government to change their stance on Israel will help. For me I voting for Harris. And another 4 years of Trump is not a choice I want and not voting at all will make that happen regardless of what the OP thinks ( especially since they're not even in the US)

[heckinglovato]

Just now, Josh said:

You're not an American so what difference does this make to you? 

I'm a Palestinian whose lost family members and our own home to Israel, and I've been living outside of my home country my entire life due to America's unconditional support for Israel

 

Is that sufficient for me to care or?

[Digitalism]

Some people are so out of touch with reality on the internet. The logic used here actually hurts people

A country has several problems that need to be tackled. 

[Josh]

1 minute ago, heckinglovato said:

I'm a Palestinian whose lost family members and our own home to Israel, and I've been living outside of my home country my entire life due to America's unconditional support for Israel

 

Is that sufficient for me to care or?

and Trump is the better option?

[BOOMBAYAH]

1 minute ago, heckinglovato said:

 

 

 

 

 

So you're saying it's better to support a candidate who funds/facilitates genocide abroad but is better on domestic issues, over someone who funds/facilitates genocide anbroad and is bad on domestic issues.

 

My question is (which 0 people have answered yet): would you still support Kamala if she funded/facilitated domestic genocide in the states against a certain American ethnic minority group, but was good/progressive on other domestic issues? (Assuming Trump also supports domestic genocide, but was bad/conservative on other domestic issues)

 

 

What is this contradictory question? She would inherently not be good or progressive on domestic issues if she were committing genocide against an American ethnic minority group. Furthermore, this situation would literally never happen in real life within at least the next four years if she were president and the Democratic party was in charge. Please ask a question that is more grounded in reality and I will provide an answer.

[aadrl1]

22 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

I don't see what the point of shaming voters is or what alternatives we can take? Either we vote for Kamala and Palestinians die, or we vote for Trump and Palestinians die, or we vote for neither and Palestinians die.

 

 

 

Some Alt Left members on this site have been attempting to split apart the Liberal voter base for years. Threads like this are just them clinging onto yet another topic. It's nothing new from 4 years ago, you just have to ignore them at this moment 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[heckinglovato]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

and Trump is the better option?

Reading is bliss:

5 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

I wouldn't be voting for any candidate who supports genocide, and I'd instead be in the streets rioting against my government. That's my answer.