discussion Americans: will you be voting for a genocide supporter in November?

[heckinglovato]

This November, the US presidential election will be taking place!

 

Will you be voting for Kamala Harris (a genocide supporter who as recently as three weeks ago supported and their administration's 20 billion dollars in military funding for Israel to ethnically erase Palestinians) or Donald Trump (someone who supports the previous policy as well)?

 

Perhaps Arab lives don't matter as much to you, but Latino lives slightly more:

 

Will you be voting for Trump (someone who supports criminally prosecuting undocumented immigrants) or Kamala Harris (someone who used to oppose criminally prosecuting undocumented immigrants but now supports it)?

 

Perhaps neither lives matter much to you, but rather American lives:

 

Will you be voting for Trump (someone who supported universal healthcare but now opposes it) or Kamala (someone who supported universal healthcare but now opposes it as well)?

 

Perhaps the lives of people isn't your top priority, but rather the planet:

 

Will you be voting for Trump (someone who supports fracking) or Kamala (someone who used to oppose fracking but now supports it it)?

 

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Discuss! Which genocide supporter, fracking chanteuse, immigrant-prosecuting, anti-universal-healthcare candidate will you be voting for? Or perhaps you'll be sitting this one out?

Edited September 4 by heckinglovato

[If U Seek Amy]

Yes I will. I am not a single issue voter and there is more at stake than Palestine. If I am getting genocide either way then I am going to do what I believe cuts our losses best rather than just let it go to hell under Trump. Not voting is not going to change what happens in any way. I respect your decision to not vote as that is your right. If you want to demonize me and others who do vote I guess good for you. Please proceed to do so but it is not going to change my choice to vote. You're just yelling at the wall basically. This is basically a daily conversation already in ATRL in other threads that goes back and forth unending

[bjorn]

Oh this is not it-

 

I'd vote for the one who's for women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti guns etc. 

 

 

[bjorn]

1 minute ago, If U Seek Amy said:

Yes I will. I am not a single issue voter and there is more at stake than Palestine. If I am getting genocide either way then I am going to do what I believe cuts our losses best rather than just let it go to hell under Trump. Not voting is not going to change what happens in any way. I respect your decision to not vote as that is your right. If you want to demonize me and others who do vote I guess good for you. Please proceed to do so but it is not going to change my choice to vote. You're just yelling at the wall basically. This is basically a daily conversation already in ATRL in other threads that goes back and forth unending

End thread. 

[Blue Monday]

By all means we're waiting for you to propose an actual meaningful alternative that isn't just yelling and posturing 

[Vegvisir]

some americans are about to speed run us to global nuclear war because they're single issue voters and the rest of the world has to watch it happen jfc

 

[Aden]

Yes because Israel v. Hamas is not the only tragic thing happening in the world and some of us have real stakes to lose. I'm so happy you're life is perfect and safe to hyper focus on this singular issue but not all of us have that privilege!

[fijitears]

13 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

Yes I will. I am not a single issue voter and there is more at stake than Palestine. If I am getting genocide either way then I am going to do what I believe cuts our losses best rather than just let it go to hell under Trump. Not voting is not going to change what happens in any way. I respect your decision to not vote as that is your right. If you want to demonize me and others who do vote I guess good for you. Please proceed to do so but it is not going to change my choice to vote. You're just yelling at the wall basically. This is basically a daily conversation already in ATRL in other threads that goes back and forth unending

 

12 minutes ago, bjorn said:

Oh this is not it-

 

I'd vote for the one who's for women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti guns etc. 

 

 

These posts needs to be plastered everywhere, especially for US newly non-voters 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

Getting creative to break Kukai's downvote record, I see! 

[byzantium]

In all likelihood yes.   The viable political parties in most democracies have some skeletons to acknowledge.  I consider myself a socialist and the biggest issue I have with the American left is how they oppose anything that does not perfectly align with their ideology.  My city was run by the socialist party for many decades and were far from perfect, but were pretty good for the city.  I feel like many on the left would rather exist outside the system than work towards a better one.  
 

Of course there is a time and place to be principled.  Personally I was not going to vote for Biden due entirely to his commitment to the eradication of Palestinians.  He crossed a line for me.  But Kamala is not Joe Biden. 

[heckinglovato]

OP = presents at least 4 issues the candidates are in agreement on (right-wing stances for both)

 

Responses = I'm not a single issue voter! There's much more at stake than genocide

[heckinglovato]

4 minutes ago, Aden said:

I'm so happy your life is perfect and safe to hyper focus on this singular issue but not all of us have that privilege!

I'm Palestinian 

[heckinglovato]

11 minutes ago, Vegvisir said:

some americans are about to speed run us to global nuclear war because they're single issue voters and the rest of the world has to watch it happen jfc

 

One could argue that the Biden/Harris-sponsored genocide, which has brought the Middle East closer to a nuclear regional war than ever in history, is what speed running the US into a nuclear war looks like

 

But what do we know   

[LustSpell]

18 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

By all means we're waiting for you to propose an actual meaningful alternative that isn't just yelling and posturing 

This is essentially how I feel. Pragmatism isn't taught anymore clearly

[Blue Monday]

4 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

OP = presents at least 4 issues the candidates are in agreement on (right-wing stances for both)

 

Responses = I'm not a single issue voter! There's much more at stake than genocide

Again, I ask what exactly is the alternative that is realistically achievable. The electorate is between a rock and a hard place considering that it's not enough to just vote; the candidate needs to win the electoral college, which by design skews Republican. 

 

 

[BOOMBAYAH]

Whatever the American voter decides will result in something bad happening in the future (including not voting).

Edited September 4 by BOOMBAYAH

[heckinglovato]

22 minutes ago, bjorn said:

Oh this is not it-

 

I'd vote for the one who's for women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti guns etc. 

 

 

 

[Blue Monday]

2 minutes ago, LustSpell said:

This is essentially how I feel. Pragmatism isn't taught anymore clearly

I genuinely want to do what else we can do besides for Kamala, because we cannot let someone who openly uses Palestinian as a slur get into the office (in addition to the litany of other reasons that affect the entire world). And I don't want to hear about JIll Stein is not winning nor is she someone that can bring actual change 

Edited September 4 by Blue Monday

[BOOMBAYAH]

8 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

OP = presents at least 4 issues the candidates are in agreement on (right-wing stances for both)

 

Responses = I'm not a single issue voter! There's much more at stake than genocide

What's the point of making this sarcastic thread? You're basically saying the country is f*cked and there's nothing anyone here can do about it. What are ATRLers supposed to do with that information?

[beautiful player]

It's not too late to delete this thread dear. 

[heckinglovato]

1 minute ago, beautiful player said:

It's not too late to delete this thread dear. 

As if I'd ever let a bunch of genocide-supporting Americans change my mind about their favorite left-wing politicians ethnic cleansing my people because of their cute little downvotes 

[Gov Hooka]

25 minutes ago, bjorn said:

Oh this is not it-

 

I'd vote for the one who's for women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti guns etc. 

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

Yes I will. I am not a single issue voter and there is more at stake than Palestine. If I am getting genocide either way then I am going to do what I believe cuts our losses best rather than just let it go to hell under Trump. Not voting is not going to change what happens in any way. I respect your decision to not vote as that is your right. If you want to demonize me and others who do vote I guess good for you. Please proceed to do so but it is not going to change my choice to vote. You're just yelling at the wall basically. This is basically a daily conversation already in ATRL in other threads that goes back and forth unending

^^^this kind of genocidal apologist logic represents such a disgusting lack of humanity and regard for human life. You guys are basically fundamentally implying that your rights matter more than the ones your candidate is actively murdering and pledging her support to continue doing so. 
 

Imma need all of you to come to terms with the fact that you don't represent a break in the logic displayed by trump supporters who actively argue the same against minorities within the US. 
this total lack of care and regard for the human rights of others WILL come back to bite you all when the US inevitably decays into a fascist state. Harris's complete lack of commitment to stopping the rightward shift of the Dem party because she knows she has voters in her hand too naive to demand anything from her is going to end up in even more disaffected voters come 2028 when an even more effective GOP candidate comes into power. 

[ariananext]

They're both trash and.. so are 99% of politicians in the world, not voting is still not the right move nor will it change anything. 

[WokeEqualist]

Instagram infographics have done so much damage

[Gov Hooka]

18 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

OP = presents at least 4 issues the candidates are in agreement on (right-wing stances for both)

 

Responses = I'm not a single issue voter! There's much more at stake than genocide

Honestly sis, you're witnessing in real time just actually how selfish and completely immoral the vast majority of partisan Dems and their apologists (who call themselves "progressives") actually are. They actually don't have any backbones on any issues and it's ******* sick to see in real time.