base talk Pop wars that were won in the moment but looking back it's the opposite

[Gelato]

Rita Ora (UK success in 2012/13) vs Dua Lipa (UK, then European, then global success a few years later)

 

Edited August 12 by Gelato

[BBathHausOfGaga]

Katy Perry v Gaga - Roar v Applause first week debut era

[Blackout2006]

1 hour ago, Støned said:

For now, but not for long though.

 

 

A few more months to go and Lover will inevitably surpass WWWAFA as the most streamed 2019 female album (and 4th (?) overall)

 

They are just around 300M (?) streams apart, with Lover pulling 8M and WWAFA pulling 3M daily

 

1 hour ago, Klein said:

Does it tho? As someone pointed out, the streams are extremely close (350M and the gap is closing) and Lover moved a lot more pure sales. 

Where can I see updated Spotify stats of these albums? I can only access the site of Spotify rn and it doesn't show the figures

[Katamari]

The way you guys continue to push Britney vs xtina in 2024 is impressive. Scary but impressive 

[Klein]

17 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

 

Where can I see updated Spotify stats of these albums? I can only access the site of Spotify rn and it doesn't show the figures

You can get the Spotify stats from most (any?) album on Chartmasters, both total and daily streams: https://chartmasters.org/spotify-most-streamed-albums/

[Digitalism]

People saying artpop vs prism as if artpop was huge now.

 

Gaga vs Katy makes sense. AvP doesn't. Artpop is still a flop 

[єѕℓαм]

I mean the most obvious one is

Gaga vs Katy 

Katy might have won the battle but Gaga won the war 

[Robyn.]

Hm, I feel like Rihanna won a lot of pop wars.

 

Because the way the stan world kept on classifying her as a quick lil singles artist for a decade, only for her catalogue to outlast 95% of her peers.

[Davidoff]

2 hours ago, kataraqueen said:

Xtina has lost so hard, even at one of the biggest nights of her life, all the interviewer asked her was what she thought of Britney's conservatorship. I love Xtina but when Britney lost commercial popularity, so did Christina, as her entire artistic existence is tied to Britney's shadow.

This is only true in your delusional mind. 
Xtina continues to release music, working on her passion projects, winning Grammys and gathering critical acclaim. She lives a life of freedom and artistic expression, something that your fav could only dream of. Sit that ass down. 

[dopamina]

''Katy Perry helped the hate train to take down Taylor Swift when she tweeted "watch out for Regina…."

 

she tweeted this after taylor said in an interview what bad blood was about back in 2014 

 

Edited August 12 by dopamina

[Strawberry Bubble]

3 hours ago, kataraqueen said:

Katy vs Gaga is extremely ironic

 

Gaga lost by being authentically weird, and Katy won by releasing marketable kidz bopz

 

But when Katy tried to be more authentic, she lost her entire appeal, and still flops to this day even if she tries to have shallow (pun intended) success

 

Meanwhile Gaga has reinvented herself successfully, authentically and for mass appeal, and has found success again and again afterwards

this is the perfect example

[UnusualBoy]

The Roar vs Applause comparison doesn't make sense because nothing has changed, Roar is still the biggest song by miles. Gaga vs Katy in other hand...

 

[The Music Industry]

3 hours ago, ugo said:

or Katy Perry helped the hate train to take down Taylor Swift when she tweeted "watch out for Regina…." But now Katy is the one flopping….

 

Katy didn't win that pop war to begin with. She always had less support than Taylor, the GP vastly sided with Taylor after she released Bad Blood, then she got her wig snatched completely when Taylor released her entire back catalogue on streaming services the same day Witness came out. Look What You Made Me Do being released the day right after Katy released Swish Swish and sucking up all the pop culture conversation was just the final nail in the coffin. 

 

No matter how you look at it how can you say Katy won that in the first place? 

[P.O.P]

Gaga vs. Madonna

 

Remember the time where Gaga was hailed as the new queen of pop? Lol

[The Music Industry]

3 hours ago, Blackout2006 said:

WWWAFA still remains bigger tho?

Lover - 18.9M units (and gaining 15K daily)

WWFAWDWG - 17.6M units (and gaining 4K daily)

 

[Peak Now]

Taylor v Nicki because it only lasted like a week? 

 

It did give us Nicki Minaj sitting at her vanity though 

[Feanor]

Taylor vs. all the Kim K stans of 2016

'reputation' vs. ATRLers claiming it won't have longevity

'Lover' vs. all these albums ATRL pitted it against

Taylor vs. all the Adele stans that suddenly popped out of nowhere in 2021.

 

[Blackout2006]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

You can get the Spotify stats from most (any?) album on Chartmasters, both total and daily streams: https://chartmasters.org/spotify-most-streamed-albums/

it's not showing for each song tho...

[Funnyfatty]

1 hour ago, Digitalism said:

People saying artpop vs prism as if artpop was huge now.

 

Gaga vs Katy makes sense. AvP doesn't. Artpop is still a flop 

Oh pls  Artpop being a flop is like the dumbest thing people want everyone to believe in. 
The album is above 1.5m in the US near 5m WW. 
It had 2 top 10 hits 1 top 15

#1 album in more than 70 countries. 
 

Sure it wasn't as big as BTW but calling it still a flop is cringe  

 

Especially when Witness, Smile and her new album will perform a million times worse  

[VioletsandRoses]

3 hours ago, Klein said:

Does it tho? As someone pointed out, the streams are extremely close (350M and the gap is closing) and Lover moved a lot more pure sales. 

This is not true. They're both around 2.5m pure sales and Billie only did 1.2-3 million in the US as a gen z act

[Blackout2006]

12 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Lover - 18.9M units (and gaining 15K daily)

WWFAWDWG - 17.6M units (and gaining 4K daily)

 

Lover has been enjoying a revival in the best time for streaming thx to CS as of the past year, so there r naturally more listeners for it. Meanwhile, WAFFA set its standards back in 2019 such as being the first female (or general) album to have each track crossover 500 million streams. What is abt WAFFA having the top hit of 2019 and an album making the top-selling albums till 2021?

I mean, I get it if you guys are talking abt streaming only but if you're trying to talk abt eras...

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said:

it's not showing for each song tho...

Oh then I don't know where to easily find the numbers for each song individually. Only place I know you can find it is on Twitter, there are accounts that follow precisely each album of a certain artist (at least I know there are some for Taylor). 

[Klein]

5 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said:

This is not true. They're both around 2.5m pure sales and Billie only did 1.2-3 million in the US as a gen z act

Lover is around 4M pure sales. 

[The Music Industry]

Just now, Blackout2006 said:

Lover has been enjoying a revival in the best time for streaming thx to CS as of the past year, so there r naturally more listeners for it. Meanwhile, WAFFA set its standards back in 2019 such as being the first female (or general) album to have each track crossover 500 million streams. What is abt WAFFA having the top hit of 2019 and an album making the top-selling albums till 2021?

I mean, I get it if you guys are talking abt streaming only but if you're trying to talk abt eras...

Lover getting a revival shouldn't be used as an excuse, if anything it just proves that it's indeed bigger. We're 5 years in and she still has a song from that album in the global top 20  Also, I posted about total units, how exactly is that "streaming only"? Lover has significantly more pure sales than WWFA too. 

 

As for WWFA having the "top hit" of 2019, good for her but that won't change the fact that Cruel Summer is catching up to Bad Guy's total units and will surpass it within a year. And as for WWFA making the top-selling albums list until 2021... Cute but... I mean seriously? Even in 2019, IFPI had Lover above WWFA. Now we're in 2024 and Lover is shaping up to still be amongst the top 5 biggest female albums of the year. It's really not even a competition sis. 

 

[Blackout2006]

17 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Lover getting a revival shouldn't be used as an excuse, if anything it just proves that it's indeed bigger.

It had a revival a year ago? Before that, it had around 5 billion streams which was 5 billion streams behind Billie's lol. So had it not been for this resurgence in streams, it would have just been gaining streams at its normal pace and behind Billie's. If Billie's debut enjoyed a similar revival with any one song, it would only increase the gap further. However, only one of these albums is having a revival and that's Lover. 

 

23 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Also, I posted about total units, how exactly is that "streaming only"? Lover has significantly more pure sales than WWFA too. 

Taylor is a pure sales darling and cultivated a large fanbase by then to purchase physical copies of her album. It was Billie's debut album and it was still selling impressively past the bar for artists at the time. Plus, Billie's album is a vinyl collecting staple not just amongst fans, but amongst collectors. 

 

27 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Cute but... I mean seriously? Even in 2019, IFPI had Lover above WWFA.

Cute but...This only contributes to my point abt Lover's revival simply benefitting Taylor in a streaming market that is 20x larger than it was in 2019 lol. Lover outsold Billie's album in 2019 but Billie's album was continuing to sell well (and more than Lover) for the next two years. 

 

28 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

Now we're in 2024 and Lover is shaping up to still be amongst the top 5 biggest female albums of the year. It's really not even a competition sis. 

Cruel Summer sweetie, the backbone that you are