base talk Why isn't Sam Smith regarded as a queer icon?

[Happylittlepunk]

1 hour ago, Yog said:

Especially with more non binary artists & trans artists coming down the line through the years, I feel that's exactly where their queer legacy will prevail.

Sam is a very talented individual and they will see the fruits of there labor down the line. They basically the biggest non-binary artist right now. That's already something. If Sam truly wants a hit they can always bounce back creating ballads or hac music. But for now they has every right to express themselves however they wants. Plus I dontt think Sam is the kinda of person who wants to be known  down line for creating songs like unholy for the rest of there life. 

Edited August 7 by Happylittlepunk

[GipJo]

2 hours ago, dumbsparce said:

I think it's the exact opposite. They're not regarded as an icon within queer circles and they're one of the first queer artists non-queer ppl think of.

Queer artists ≠ Queer icon. People say Jeffery Stars when asking about queer celebrity does that make him a queer icon?

2 hours ago, Yog said:

You make it sound like Sam was an niche artist being marketed just towards the gays when it was the opposite, Sam has literally sold damn near 50 million albums & 300 million singles, gays are not the only ones buying their music..

Consuming their music ≠ thinking they are queer icon. Majority of their sales came from first album which let's fact it being regarded as male Adele's 21. It's straight music. Sam was promoted for straights and about straights before he came out.

Before he was a straight friendly artist and now they are a queer icon for queer people, and that's okay, not every queer icon has to be approved by straights!

[Yog]

13 minutes ago, GipJo said:

Majority of their sales came from first album which let's fact it being regarded as male Adele's 21

While yes, "In The Lonely Hour" was their most successful era, but let's not act like "The Thrill Of All" & "Love Goes" were flops that are eligible/certified multi platinum especially LG with it's numerous massive hits tied to it, hell… even Gloria will go platinum eventually.

 

 

Selling nearly 50M with just four albums is not an easy feat, it's kind of poor logic to use their debut to undermine their success following that..

[Yog]

4 hours ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Plus I dontt think Sam is the kinda of person who wants to be known  down line for creating songs like unholy for the rest of there life. 

They don't, Sam has stated many times, that any genre of music is game for them, but Sam definitely doesn't wanna be an controversial figure for too long, if Madonna succeeded in cleaning her image post Erotica, then it shouldn't be hard for Sam to do, I know Sam won't win everyone back but they can win enough to receive commercial success as usual.

Edited August 8 by Yog

[Sad Beautiful Tragic]

On 8/8/2024 at 1:36 AM, Yog said:

They don't, Sam has stated many times, that any genre of music is game for them, but Sam definitely doesn't wanna be an controversial figure for too long, if Madonna succeeded in cleaning her image post Erotica, then it shouldn't be hard for Sam to do, I know Sam won't win everyone back but they can win enough to receive commercial success as usual.

I don't think they should tone it down, but yes bring back his old sound

 

[Yog]

51 minutes ago, Sad Beautiful Tragic said:

I don't think they should tone it down, but yes bring back his old sound

I think it's the best move tbh after two very pop leaning albums, with one being successful and other having just unholy being it's only saving grace, an return to form should help remind people Sam wasn't all about shock value during the beginning of their career, it's been 8 years since "The Thrill Of It All", their album with the classic "oLD SAm SMith" sound, but I hope Sam does something different to keep it fresh but familiar..

Edited August 23 by Yog