Luckitty Posted July 25 Posted July 25 atrlers: conducting a genocide is ok but i draw the line at protesting 🤓 5 2
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 25 Posted July 25 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Luckitty said: atrlers: conducting a genocide is ok but i draw the line at protesting 🤓 atrlers: "kamala is a zionist and avid genocide supporter but it's okay since she's like SO brat when she's bumpin that! also, you are a single issue voter for pointing out that we might actually be complicit with supporting a genocide of innocent people if we continue to blindly vote for kamala and not hold her accountable for her warcriminal tendencies" Edited July 25 by KatyPrismSpirit 4 1 2
Miss Show Business Posted July 25 Posted July 25 Just so we're all clear, this is what ATRLs resident terrorists lefties are saying Kamala Harris is wrong for condemning: 3 7 5
Space Cowboy Posted July 25 Posted July 25 Hamas are terrorists period. Kamala did what she had to do with that statement. 11 1 3
Kukai Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: atrlers: conducting a genocide is ok but i draw the line at protesting 🤓 Some of you on here are legit crazy or have had your brains rotted with social media activism. How is it wrong for her to condemn people openly supporting Hamas, a terrorist group? Or the protestors being openly anti-semitic? Some of these people should honestly be arrested. There should be a ceasefire and of course it is right for people to criticise the Israeli government. But doing what some of the protestors are doing is disgusting. You're not going to gather more support with this method and instead this just helps fuel the republican narrative. 10 2 2
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kukai said: How is it wrong for her to condemn people openly supporting Hamas Because it's an ad hominem, meant to remove agency from the IDF committing an estimated 200x October 7th since. If she finds the idea of supporting Hamas to be inherently violent, wait until she finds out the beliefs of the average Israeli politician, let alone Bibi. Should Muhammed have condemned Hamas if he wanted to be alive still? What do you think raced through Muhammed's mind in his last moments of life - alone, cold, in the dark, confused as to what was even happening, why he was even being attacked, separated from his family, no one helping him, and bleeding to death? How many Americans will ever know his story? Edited July 26 by Communion
Luckitty Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kukai said: Hamas, a terrorist group? according to whom? who decides who is considered a terrorist? israel has illegally occupied Palestinian's land for over 76 years, previously occupied Egyptian land and currently occupies Lebanese and Syrian land as well they have killed and ethnically cleansed millions of Palestinians and Syrians but supporting them is ok? and when indigenous people resist their colonizers they're terrorists? how come the european colonizers that call themselves israel have been routinely massacring indigenous middle easterners for almost a century now, but they're not considered terrorists? is it because they're not middle easterners and not muslim? Edited July 26 by Luckitty 3 3
Kukai Posted July 26 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Communion said: Because it's an ad hominem, meant to remove agency from the IDF committing an estimated 200x October 7th since. If she finds the idea of supporting Hamas to be inherently violent, wait until she finds out the beliefs of the average Israeli politician, let alone Bibi. Should Muhammed have condemned Hamas if he wanted to be alive still? You're incorrectly using these terms and ignoring the context of what she was responding to. Peaceful protest is fine but when you're vandalising monuments with the word 'Hamas' and openly being anti-semitic, whatever narrative you want to present to the world is going to be contaminated by your methods. Kamala is aiming to become president of America so of course she has to respond to this when the republicans are trying their hardest to tar her image. Whatever she does in this situation she'll be criticised for because it's never enough for either sides. 1 minute ago, Luckitty said: according to whom? who decides who is considered a terrorist? israel has illegally occupied Palestinian's land for over 76 years, previously occupied Egyptian land and currently occupies Lebanese and Syrian land as well they have killed and ethnically cleansed millions of Palestinians and Syrians but supporting them is ok? and when indigenous people resist their colonizers they're terrorists? how come the european colonizers that call themselves israel have been routinely massacring indigenous middle easterners for almost a century now, but they're not considered terrorists? is it because they're not middle easterners and not muslim? This might shock you but two things can be true at the same time. Hamas is a terrorist organisation according to multiple governments around the world. You can disagree with that labelling but their methods speak for themselves. Their leader is hiding in a hotel as ordinary Palestinian citizens get killed. 3 1
Luckitty Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Kukai said: Hamas is a terrorist organisation according to multiple governments around the world. the same governments that are behind the Palestinian genocide.... use your brain? 2 minutes ago, Kukai said: Their leader is hiding in a hotel as ordinary Palestinian citizens get killed. unlike obama who fought in afghanistan or biden and kamala who fought in ukraine right? i heard that zelensky and putin are in the trenches right now 2
Kukai Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Luckitty said: the same governments that are behind the Palestinian genocide.... use your brain? unlike obama who fought in afghanistan or biden and kamala who fought in ukraine right? i heard that zelensky and putin are in the trenches right now You guys love to blame the west for everything when it's the Israeli government actioning all of this no matter what deals they previously had with other countries. When your terrorist organisation's leader is sitting in a hotel conducting interviews and saying things are going the way they want, despite being told about your own civilians being killed, you are evil. For you to try to justify this tells me you're already at the deep end. And trust me, policy narratives are strong and the way the narrative around this is getting more and more corrosive, doesn't do justice for anyone. 4 1 3
Luckitty Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Kukai said: You guys love to blame the west for everything when it's the Israeli government actioning all of this no matter what deals they previously had with other countries. Israel would literally not exist without the west lol, it was created by the west and it is made up of westerners who think god promised them some land in palestine and till this day it's being protected and supplied with weapons by the west, they even have nuclear weapons thanks to the west lol 3 minutes ago, Kukai said: When your terrorist organisation's leader is sitting in a hotel conducting interviews and saying things are going the way they want, despite being told about your own civilians being killed, you are evil. For you to try to justify this tells me you're already at the deep end. the only terrorists here are those colonizers who call themselves "israelis" and their western supporters the united states are terrorists, the uk are terrorists, israel are terrorists i will never call people resisting their colonizers "terrorists" and you can stay mad 2 3
Tovitov Posted July 26 Posted July 26 FWIW, Kamala's position on a two state solution that she shared today is widely popular among Americans. They also really hate flag burning and graffitti and she is a politician
Miss Show Business Posted July 26 Posted July 26 8 minutes ago, Luckitty said: Israel would literally not exist without the west lol, it was created by the west and it is made up of westerners who think god promised them some land in palestine and till this day it's being protected and supplied with weapons by the west, they even have nuclear weapons thanks to the west lol the only terrorists here are those colonizers who call themselves "israelis" and their western supporters the united states are terrorists, the uk are terrorists, israel are terrorists i will never call people resisting their colonizers "terrorists" and you can stay mad Hamas supporters in that picture I posted are literally calling for a Jewish genocide around the world. How can anybody in their right mind say that's not terrorism? Like many have pointed out, social media advocacy has rotted y'all's brains. 2 4
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 30 minutes ago, Kukai said: vandalising monuments How many Palestinians deserve to die because of graffiti? How many more American bombs will be dropped? 2 1
Kukai Posted July 26 Posted July 26 13 minutes ago, Luckitty said: Israel would literally not exist without the west lol, it was created by the west and it is made up of westerners who think god promised them some land in palestine and till this day it's being protected and supplied with weapons by the west, they even have nuclear weapons thanks to the west lol the only terrorists here are those colonizers who call themselves "israelis" and their western supporters the united states are terrorists, the uk are terrorists, israel are terrorists i will never call people resisting their colonizers "terrorists" and you can stay mad Neither would many other countries today which were formed on the basis of past colonial conquests. But to blame the west solely for the Israeli government's action is taking responsibility away from the actions of both Israel and Hamas. By your logic, every country that has a colonial past should be considered a terrorist organisation which is frankly ridiculous. You might have some echo chamber online spaces that agree with that but to the average citizen you sound insane. And to reiterate my past point, two things can be true at the same time! You can argue Hamas is a resistant group but it's also a terrorist group. 2 minutes ago, Communion said: How many Palestinians deserve to die because of graffiti? How many more American bombs will be dropped? Who said you can't be critical of terrorist sympathisers and anti-semites and also have empathy for what's happening in Palestine? Tired of this tribal mentality social media has forced on you lot. 3 3
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Kukai said: and also have empathy for what's happening in Palestine? Would someone who has empathy for Palestinians continue to send Israel bombs to murder them?
Kukai Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Communion said: Would someone who has empathy for Palestinians continue to send Israel bombs to murder them? When was I speaking for the policy choices made by Biden's team? I think it's wrong for the US to fund Israel in this situation. But you're out of your mind if you think Israel would cease their military campaign even if western allies paused funding. I just don't think these kinds of protest does anyone favours. Edited July 26 by Kukai
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Kukai said: When was I speaking for the policy choices made by Biden's team? Just to recap > *progressives become hesitant over Kamala having harsher words for protestors than Israeli war criminals* >> *liberals defend her arguing that she must condemn protestors that Americans find anti-social* > *progressives reiterate the harsh language on protestors wouldn't be an issue if she pivoted to more empathetic policies than Biden's* >> *liberals retort "so you can't call out hamas and antisemities AND be empathetic to palestinians???"* > *progressives reiterate how kamala can show material support for palestinians by not aiding in their genocide* >> *liberals argue that not giving israel massive weapons to kill people wouldn't help palestinians anyway** ??? 1
Bosque Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: according to whom? According to people who think that - indiscriminately raping male and female Jewish civilians - shooting civilians at point blank range and executing them with no mercy as they try to flee and beg for their lives - abducting literal babies and toddlers across international state lines - calling on everyone around the globe to murder Jews (not Israelis) are considered terrorist activities. If you don't think so, that's a reflection of your own character. Dont forget all the war crimes they have committed in Gaza against the same Palestinians you guys pretend to care about: - Executing dozens of members of a different political party on the street, in front of mosques and children, and parading their bodies through the streets - shooting rockets from hospitals, schools, apartment buildings and graveyards (such as the rocket they fired at Al Ahli hospital killing 500 of their own people in one fell swoop) - In general, shooting 90% of their rockets at their own territory and people, according to statements by Mahmoud Abbas (just yesterday, they bombed their own school Al Qarara killing several Palestinians) - torturing, abducting and raping Palestinians who so much as make a social media post lightly criticizing Hamas - Beheading openly gay Palestinians (sometimes after abducting them for a foreign country) and throwing them off the roof - openly begging people to martyr themselves and become human shields, promising them that martyring themselves in the name of killing Jews is the highest possible honor they could achieve in life (they tell this to elementary schoolchildren too) anyone who pretends to be pro Palestinian but carries water for Hamas and wants them to continue their brutal terroristic rule over Palestinians cannot be taken seriously. Edited July 26 by Bosque 2 7
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 5 minutes ago, Bosque said: - indiscriminately raping male and female Jewish civilians Again, bit odd to use descriptions of the Israeli settler state and the violence it commits as projections outward. 1
bjorn Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: Israel would literally not exist without the west lol, it was created by the west and it is made up of westerners who think god promised them some land in palestine and till this day it's being protected and supplied with weapons by the west, they even have nuclear weapons thanks to the west lol the only terrorists here are those colonizers who call themselves "israelis" and their western supporters the united states are terrorists, the uk are terrorists, israel are terrorists i will never call people resisting their colonizers "terrorists" and you can stay mad
Headlock Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Kukai said: You guys love to blame the west for everything when it's the Israeli government actioning all of this Wait until you find out who created the state of Israel 5 1
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