poll Why was Katy Perry's success so short-lived?

[Aston Martin]

24 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said:

Her success is at least longer than Gaga's.

 

She was successful from 2008 to 2017 ("Chained to the Rhythm").

 

Gaga's was from 2008-2012. Fad behavior.

If Chained counts (and it should), then ASIB (movie and OST), the Oscar win, Chromatica, Rain on Me, the Chromatica Ball Tour (100% sold out stadium tour), and Bloody Mary revival should too. Hell, we can go ahead and throw Million Reasons/Joanne in there since Chained to the Rhythm and MR have the same billboard peak (#4) but Joanne actually scanned platinum, whereas Witness is gold. 

 

ot: What ultimately screwed Katy over was the combination of several different factors that weren't a big deal by themselves but compounded into something larger than the sum of their parts. For starters, she should've had a new album ready to go around her Super Bowl performance. She could've debuted the lead there and it probably would've done well. On that same note, waiting four years between Prism and Witness was also a bad idea. The music landscape changed a lot during that time, and big waits between albums are a bad idea in general. She also had some bad single choices (following NRO up with Small Talk when Harleys was right there was just ) and when you're only releasing albums every 3-4 years, that makes things worse. I think going back to her iconic black hair was a good idea (whereas going back to Luke was not), but she should've done that back in 2019. And while she definitely has fans, I don't think she took the time to build up as strong of a fanbase as a lot of her contemporaries. They'll be there when the GP moves on. The same thing happened to Ed Sheeran. 

[Wewee]

It's never really over she can bounce back ! 
 

[ThehushSound]

She went from serving moments of sparkling camp to serving straight up corny.

 

Since 2012 Katy has had the Katy cats on the same diet as a steer in a feedlot, nothing but corn!

[lg6chromatica]

50 minutes ago, Aston Martin said:

If Chained counts (and it should), then ASIB (movie and OST), the Oscar win, Chromatica, Rain on Me, the Chromatica Ball Tour (100% sold out stadium tour), and Bloody Mary revival should too. Hell, we can go ahead and throw Million Reasons/Joanne in there since Chained to the Rhythm and MR have the same billboard peak (#4) but Joanne actually scanned platinum, whereas Witness is gold. 

 

ot: What ultimately screwed Katy over was the combination of several different factors that weren't a big deal by themselves but compounded into something larger than the sum of their parts. For starters, she should've had a new album ready to go around her Super Bowl performance. She could've debuted the lead there and it probably would've done well. On that same note, waiting four years between Prism and Witness was also a bad idea. The music landscape changed a lot during that time, and big waits between albums are a bad idea in general. She also had some bad single choices (following NRO up with Small Talk when Harleys was right there was just ) and when you're only releasing albums every 3-4 years, that makes things worse. I think going back to her iconic black hair was a good idea (whereas going back to Luke was not), but she should've done that back in 2019. And while she definitely has fans, I don't think she took the time to build up as strong of a fanbase as a lot of her contemporaries. They'll be there when the GP moves on. The same thing happened to Ed Sheeran. 

Just for the record -

 

MR - 832m streams

CTTR - 574m streams

[RideOrDie]

she was only partially responsible for her success so she couldn't carry it

 

[Ramcoro]

Plenty of artists have shorter careers. 16 years later and she's still on your mind.

[Ramcoro]

44 minutes ago, lg6chromatica said:

Just for the record -

 

MR - 832m streams

CTTR - 574m streams

It's not that big of a gap...

[WhateverYouWant]

Was it though? To play devils advocate she milked her second album for almost 3 years. 2008-2014 with smash after smash. I prefer gaga but we don't say the same about her really when she also had the same real relevance in music during the same time. Gaga's asib giving her the edge years later 

 

Acts like Rihanna and Taylor really left those "it" girls in their dust. Very similar to Britney and Christina. Some artist are the moment and phenomenons. And others grow over time. 

Edited July 13 by WhateverYouWant

[Sannie]

She never found a real niche that she and only she could fill. She filled the generic "pretty pop girl" niche that has been around forever and girls come and go in. Katy > Ariana > Sabrina > etc. Meanwhile, her contemporaries found a solid niche and because of that excel to this day.

[Cleanromantic]

On top of her music and all her albums sounding the same since Teenage Dream and how she's always served radio gp hits without any depth, she's never been the smartest or sharpest pop girl. Her campy pin-up girl persona worked because she was hot. She cut her hair and was wearing fugly ass costumes for the entire Witness era while serving the same music, which just made her look corny and old instead of her early campy hot. Now she's working with a rapist and still releasing the same old surface level female empowerment anthems and her team is stuck in 2015 (Trisha Paitas, in 2024 is so stupid ). 

She had the opportunity to come back if she actually was smart and rode the pop-rock revival with an album that sounded like One Of The Boys, but that moment is already past too . 

I'll say she'll always have her early hits to go on tour and be nostalgia act, but she seems to be working to destroy even that now .

[Princess Aurora]

Everything started with Birthday. The rest is history

[mrpartyrocker]

Katy rats trying to convince themselves Katy had a better run than Gaga in 2024 is such a joke! They can't even make **** up anymore, they're just trying to make themselves feel better. Gaga, +16 years into her career is on her way to release one of the most anticipated movies of this year and I'm 110% sure her next album will devour Katy's efforts in the last 7 years. 
 

but they shouldn't even be taken seriously, they're all clowns at this point

[Feanor]

With the type of music she made (and still makes), her shelf life was always going to be limited. Add all the mismanagement of her single choices & brand after "Roar", and she herself pretty much helped end her success prematurely.

[TipToe]

Witness was her ARTPOP - geepee was turned off by the most superficial things and the lack of a bonafide pop smash (even tho Bon apettit is the ****). You see, if it happened to GaGa who is much more talented and apparently had more street cred then Katy obviously had to be even more careful on her path and all the things she did were alienating to her fan base. It almost seems like someone in higher charge let her self sabotage on purpose (but homegirl probably thought she was doing everything right). Working with Dr Luke simply align with this hypothesis, she's too tone deaf and working with an evil team, who knows what their plans are but it's not for her benefit.

[UrMom]

She had a good run. Three highly successful eras is more than most acts can claim.

 

I guess a bad haircut and lesbophobia ended her.

[stevyy]

toxic discussion. 

[lg6chromatica]

12 hours ago, Ramcoro said:

It's not that big of a gap...

Pretty big, especially considering that Chained to the Rhythm is dance-pop, while Millions Reasons is a country-pop ballad.

[Ramcoro]

17 minutes ago, lg6chromatica said:

Pretty big, especially considering that Chained to the Rhythm is dance-pop, while Millions Reasons is a country-pop ballad.

OKAY 

 

[Victor Artur]

16 hours ago, nadiamendell said:

Her talent and range is limited. She reached her limit and it is what it is. 

Also this.

[MadMax12]

21 hours ago, Monday Night Messiah said:

Her success is at least longer than Gaga's.

 

She was successful from 2008 to 2017 ("Chained to the Rhythm").

 

Gaga's was from 2008-2012. Fad behavior.

If CTTR is successful then so is Applause, Million Reasons, Shallow, ARUTW and Rain On Me which all sold more

[ericcartman]

She's good for a throwback 

[banterfly]

1. She failed to adapt to a changing music landscape.

 

2. Silly Katy was fine for LFN. Unfortunately, this became her entire personality for several eras and even doubled down. The regression was embarrassing. 

 

3. Has she not learned from Sinnead O'Connor and The Dixie Chicks? Once you go political, expect a career death. She really thought she was big enough to escape this.

 

 

[Delirious]

On 7/12/2024 at 8:01 PM, manuelalex9810 said:

like Mariah stans did it when she worked with him 

 

 

 

it's always like that isn't it? 

 

first ones to call out katy have faves that were the first ones to be associated with abusers 

[Zaynsus]

On 7/13/2024 at 2:01 PM, manuelalex9810 said:

like Mariah stans did it when she worked with him

But Mariah never worked with him though, Latto (or her label) sent Mariah the song and she wrote and recorded her part.

 

Same with the yes, and? remix with Ariana, Ari sent her the song so she can record her verses but that doesn't mean Mariah worked with Max Martin.

[FrederickGa]

On 7/13/2024 at 11:58 AM, Monday Night Messiah said:

Her success is at least longer than Gaga's.

 

She was successful from 2008 to 2017 ("Chained to the Rhythm").

 

Gaga's was from 2008-2012. Fad behavior.

Gaga songs more successful than CTTR since 2012

 

Applause

Million Reasons

Shallow

Always Remember Us This Way

Rain On Me