halcyonday Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Just now, Bartender said: I think she didd without knowing he was associated as she has shaded him in a recent interview Didn't they sign in 2020? That's like multiple years after we all knew about the case. It's clear that she had the access to the internet but decided to take the opportunity with him. 1 minute ago, Bartender said: i wasn't aware of that but tweet aside it is a serious concern about enabling behaviors We're not happy she's working with him, but it's not like Puke was crawling back to Katy for any hit. He had multiple hits with Doja, like SMASH hits, and Grammy noms thanks to her too: Grammy Awards 2011 – Producer of the Year, Non-Classical (Nominated) 2011 – Album of the Year (Teenage Dream) (Nominated) 2014 – Song of the Year ("Roar") (Nominated) 2014 – Producer of the Year, Non-Classical (Nominated) 2021 – Record of the Year ("Say So") (Nominated) 2022 – Album of the Year (Planet Her (Deluxe)) (Nominated)[37] 2022 - Song of the Year ("Kiss Me More") (Nominated)[37] 2022 - Best Rap Song ("Best Friend") (Nominated)[37] ASCAP Pop Music Awards 2010 – Songwriter of the Year (Won)[38] 2011 – Songwriter of the Year (Won)[39] 2023 - Songwriter of the Year (Won)[40] iHeartRadio Music Awards 2021 - Producer of the Year (Nominated)[41] Gold Derby Awards 2022 - Song of the Year (Nominated)[42] 2023 - Song of the Year (Nominated)[43] It's pretty safe to assume his career came back on the right track before any of the 143 sessions even started. 3 minutes ago, Bartender said: Except he's no where to be seen in her latest efforts and I hope it stays that way Scarlet was still released under his label so he's getting the $ from Doja. 1 1
Stunnah Posted July 11 Posted July 11 3 minutes ago, Bartender said: I think she didd without knowing he was associated as she has shaded him in a recent interview i wasn't aware of that but tweet aside it is a serious concern about enabling behaviors Except he's no where to be seen in her latest efforts and I hope it stays that way How!
Riverbank Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Wait, Ethel willingly signed with Dr Luke during the Kesha lawsuit? That's insane. Says a lot about her character 2
Bartender Posted July 11 Author Posted July 11 3 minutes ago, halcyonday said: We're not happy she's working with him, but it's not like Puke was crawling back to Katy for any hit. He had multiple hits with Doja, like SMASH hits, and Grammy noms thanks to her too: Grammy Awards 2011 – Producer of the Year, Non-Classical (Nominated) 2011 – Album of the Year (Teenage Dream) (Nominated) 2014 – Song of the Year ("Roar") (Nominated) 2014 – Producer of the Year, Non-Classical (Nominated) 2021 – Record of the Year ("Say So") (Nominated) 2022 – Album of the Year (Planet Her (Deluxe)) (Nominated)[37] 2022 - Song of the Year ("Kiss Me More") (Nominated)[37] 2022 - Best Rap Song ("Best Friend") (Nominated)[37] ASCAP Pop Music Awards 2010 – Songwriter of the Year (Won)[38] 2011 – Songwriter of the Year (Won)[39] 2023 - Songwriter of the Year (Won)[40] iHeartRadio Music Awards 2021 - Producer of the Year (Nominated)[41] Gold Derby Awards 2022 - Song of the Year (Nominated)[42] 2023 - Song of the Year (Nominated)[43] It's pretty safe to assume his career came back on the right track before any of the 143 sessions even started. I wasn't coming for stans who are aware of the gravity of the situation, Doja is bound that contract apparently but my main concern is why work with him? Why allow a string of productivity you know? Yeah it's unfortunate it started this way but why continue?
Stunnah Posted July 11 Posted July 11 1 minute ago, Riverbank said: Wait, Ethel willingly signed with Dr Luke during the Kesha lawsuit? That's insane. Says a lot about her character Yes, it's true! 1
KillingYourCareer Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Nobody knows who he is outside of online pop music stans. He'll keep doing his job and having hits here and there without the GP knowing who he is, let alone who produced the songs they're consuming.
halcyonday Posted July 11 Posted July 11 1 minute ago, Bartender said: I wasn't coming for stans who are aware of the gravity of the situation, Doja is bound that contract apparently but my main concern is why work with him? Why allow a string of productivity you know? Yeah it's unfortunate it started this way but why continue? I can just assume Luke and Katy remained friends, especially after the leaked conversation between Gaga and Kesha where there were the lies about Katy getting raped too. Katy stopped trusting them, and possibly believed in Luke's story and that he didn't rape Kesha. Then Katy saw that everyone works with Luke; Doja gets the hits, Nicki gets the hits, Ariana willingly worked with Doja for a Luke album, he gets the Grammy noms again, Kesha and Luke settled the case, so she thought it'd be ok to work with him. Of course not tho, she was stupid. 4 1
ChooseyLover Posted July 11 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: Nobody knows who he is outside of online pop music stans. He'll keep doing his job and having hits here and there without the GP knowing who he is, let alone who produced the songs they're consuming. According to the law he was a public figure, though. 4
Ramcoro Posted July 11 Posted July 11 If WW is a hit, Katy will never stop working with him. The bigger the hit, the more other artists will start working with him again. We may not like it, but Chris Brown kept his career and some started working with him not long after the incident. And we all had photo evidence of his actions...
JayJay Posted July 11 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: Nobody knows who he is outside of online pop music stans. He'll keep doing his job and having hits here and there without the GP knowing who he is, let alone who produced the songs they're consuming. And do not be oblivious to the fact that the music industry is filled with people like him, a lot of them unknown. And no matter what we do, they're getting the money. If you're looking to ethically consume music im afraid to tell you, in one way or another, you won't ever be able to. Even if you stan someone "unproblematic" ur supporting the system and the abuse is structurally based upon. The earlier you accept it the better. I'm not saying we shouldnt callout stuff when it happens and Katy going back to dr luke is definitely worthy of it, but try and keep that into account. At least it's the way i see it 2
justin. Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Unfortunately, these women will continue lifting him up and supporting him, so he will remain successful and held to zero accountability.
JayJay Posted July 11 Posted July 11 6 minutes ago, Ramcoro said: If WW is a hit, Katy will never stop working with him. The bigger the hit, the more other artists will start working with him again. We may not like it, but Chris Brown kept his career and some started working with him not long after the incident. And we all had photo evidence of his actions... I get what you're saying but i think it's worth mentioning that although WW's impact might influence Dr.Luke's career, a lot of more important things are at play and i'd hardly blame Katy for that. A lot of people just dont care about sa and it's consequences, and it is horrid, but has to do more with the system we live in. It's a man's world in the end
JayJay Posted July 11 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, justin. said: Unfortunately, these women will continue lifting him up and supporting him, so he will remain successful and held to zero accountability. I don't think blaming it on the women is a good point 2
justin. Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Just now, JayJay said: I don't think blaming it on the women is a good point Enablers should be called out. They shouldn't be excused just because they're women. 1 1
perfect blue Posted July 11 Posted July 11 34 minutes ago, visions said: She signed because she was offered an advance whilst she was literally so poor she couldn't afford food and was almost starving to death. She's expressed nothing but regret since. Not exactly the same as some Katy Rats want you to believe. sHe WaS pOOr doesn't cut it, sorry. Plenty of jobs dishwashing or waitressing. At the end of the day Ethel Cain willingly signed to Dr. Luke's publishing company before he was proven not guilty. At least KP had the decency to let the trial play out first. If you're going to hold KP in contempt then extend that same energy to everyone else lest you risk looking like a hypocrite. 1 2 4
Rotunda Posted July 11 Posted July 11 40 minutes ago, Bartender said: I know I understand, it's also incredibly suspicious that she skipped two albums with him only for him to appear but nonetheless it is a disaster Desperation 1
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 11 Posted July 11 19 minutes ago, halcyonday said: I can just assume Luke and Katy remained friends, especially after the leaked conversation between Gaga and Kesha where there were the lies about Katy getting raped too. Katy stopped trusting them, and possibly believed in Luke's story and that he didn't rape Kesha. Then Katy saw that everyone works with Luke; Doja gets the hits, Nicki gets the hits, Ariana willingly worked with Doja for a Luke album, he gets the Grammy noms again, Kesha and Luke settled the case, so she thought it'd be ok to work with him. Of course not tho, she was stupid. Lets not forget that Mariah Carey, an industry veteran, literally said ON RECORD during the peak of the Kesha trial that she "loves" Dr. Luke 3
JayJay Posted July 11 Posted July 11 1 minute ago, justin. said: Enablers should be called out. They shouldn't be excused just because they're women. I completely agree, but its naive to think that's what's merely upholding Dr.Luke's career. I'd dare to say it's a small part in fact
Ramcoro Posted July 11 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, JayJay said: I get what you're saying but i think it's worth mentioning that although WW's impact might influence Dr.Luke's career, a lot of more important things are at play and i'd hardly blame Katy for that. A lot of people just dont care about sa and it's consequences, and it is horrid, but has to do more with the system we live in. It's a man's world in the end People are attracted to success and will make strategic choices for their careers rather than the "ethical" thing, so I agree with you. I should clarify more, if WW flops hard, Dr. Luke's career will probably stay about the same. He will still get hits, but mostly work with new artists who aren't established and who had limited "choices." But if Katy and Dr. Luke get a big smash, we might see more of Dr. Luke's former a-listers return with either the subtle or not-so-subtle reasoning "well Katy did it and no one cared." I think that's the best case for Dr. Luke, and it's probably what he and Katy are hoping for. 1
The7thStranger Posted July 11 Posted July 11 There is no next for Dr. Luke. He's been churning out the same three melodies over and over and over again for decades. Why change the formula now?
JayJay Posted July 11 Posted July 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ramcoro said: He will still get hits, but mostly work with new artists who aren't established and who had limited "choices." Oof. Now that you mention,,, not sure which outcome i like better. This sent a shiver down my spine Edited July 11 by JayJay
The7thStranger Posted July 11 Posted July 11 34 minutes ago, Riverbank said: Wait, Ethel willingly signed with Dr Luke during the Kesha lawsuit? That's insane. Says a lot about her character She claims she was unaware of who owned the label she signed to. Not sure how accurate that is, but that's her story.
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