Welovetrouble Posted Friday at 10:05 AM Share Posted Friday at 10:05 AM People are annoying with the payola talk with Sabrina. I don't know if y'all know this but no mainstream pop star is organic there is always behind the scenes label machinations, that is how all of your fave pop stars came to be so like spare us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_int Posted Friday at 10:16 AM Share Posted Friday at 10:16 AM (edited) 11 minutes ago, Welovetrouble said: People are annoying with the payola talk with Sabrina. I don't know if y'all know this but no mainstream pop star is organic there is always behind the scenes label machinations, that is how all of your fave pop stars came to be so like spare us . At the end of the day, you can be the greatest singer, actor, artist or have the best product in the world, unless you put tons of money into promotion nobody will know that. I dont discredit Sabrina's talent but it is clear there was a media campaign of her way before Espresso, with all the red carpets events and paid articles and paparazzi shots, PR relationship and then the promotion of Espresso itself to push it into commercial success it has become. People who don't believe how showbiz works are simply naive. It is not called show "business" for nothing. Also after almost decade on a scene as a singer, with 6 studio albums and background as a former Disney star, it would be weird she didnt sell out arena tour in US. Edited Friday at 10:17 AM by mike_int 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted Friday at 12:09 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:09 PM 1 hour ago, mike_int said: At the end of the day, you can be the greatest singer, actor, artist or have the best product in the world, unless you put tons of money into promotion nobody will know that. I dont discredit Sabrina's talent but it is clear there was a media campaign of her way before Espresso, with all the red carpets events and paid articles and paparazzi shots, PR relationship and then the promotion of Espresso itself to push it into commercial success it has become. Every popular artist has some degree of payola involved. Her label saw potential in Sabrina and they invested in her, with great results it seems. But Payola can only do so much, Sabrina wouldn't be smashing this hard if her music wasn't genuinely connecting with the GP. And she wouldn't be selling out an arena tour if she wasn't genuinely charismatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_int Posted Friday at 12:46 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:46 PM 34 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: Every popular artist has some degree of payola involved. Her label saw potential in Sabrina and they invested in her, with great results it seems. But Payola can only do so much, Sabrina wouldn't be smashing this hard if her music wasn't genuinely connecting with the GP. And she wouldn't be selling out an arena tour if she wasn't genuinely charismatic Well Espresso and Please Please Please are not particularly innovative songs and dont bring anything new, exciting or interesting on the table. They are simpl,y very radio friendly song composed to be simply liked and with such a good push and lot of promo they clicked. Regarding the tour, as I said, it would be weird if she didn't sell out arena tour after 10 years and 6 albums in US. Do we know what is the biggest arena she is about to play regarding the capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted Friday at 12:50 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:50 PM 17 hours ago, JC. said: So I went to Ticketmaster and saw a lot of verified resale tickets, are those mostly scalpers? Yeah I'd say 70% of the tickets sold were scalpers which was annoying. I tried to get tickets to EVERY presale for my city and always immediately sold out and immediately put up for sale at 100-200% mark up's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted Friday at 01:01 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:01 PM 1 minute ago, mike_int said: Well Espresso and Please Please Please are not particularly innovative songs and dont bring anything new, exciting or interesting on the table. They are simpl,y very radio friendly song composed to be simply liked and with such a good push and lot of promo they clicked. And there's nothing wrong with that. She's a pop artist, she doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. She makes fun and GP friendly music and the GP is here for her and her music and that cannot be said about many other artists with the same amount of promo. Quote Regarding the tour, as I said, it would be weird if she didn't sell out arena tour after 10 years and 6 albums in US. How so? There are many artists with long careers that cannot sell out a whole arena tour. Just a year ago Sabrina was touring theaters, this big of a jump is highly impressive. Quote Do we know what is the biggest arena she is about to play regarding the capacity? Most of them are arenas, so around 20k capacity. But she could have easily sold out additional dates in every city, even in the smaller ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawx23 Posted Friday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:51 PM (edited) 50 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said: And there's nothing wrong with that. She's a pop artist, she doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. She makes fun and GP friendly music and the GP is here for her and her music and that cannot be said about many other artists with the same amount of promo. How so? There are many artists with long careers that cannot sell out a whole arena tour. Just a year ago Sabrina was touring theaters, this big of a jump is highly impressive. Most of them are arenas, so around 20k capacity. But she could have easily sold out additional dates in every city, even in the smaller ones. It's definitely impressive but the Taylor erasure among Sabrina fans is super strange. The difference between touring theatres last year to arenas this year is, well, again, the Eras tour happened. Sabrina was able to capitalize on it way better than her other peers who opened. She herself would probably thank Taylor for a lot of the current success. I don't understand why her fans refuse to even mention Taylor's name and act like this just happened out of nowhere. It's super bizarre. Edited Friday at 01:51 PM by hawx23 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseBud Posted Friday at 02:34 PM Share Posted Friday at 02:34 PM 38 minutes ago, hawx23 said: It's definitely impressive but the Taylor erasure among Sabrina fans is super strange. The difference between touring theatres last year to arenas this year is, well, again, the Eras tour happened. Sabrina was able to capitalize on it way better than her other peers who opened. She herself would probably thank Taylor for a lot of the current success. I don't understand why her fans refuse to even mention Taylor's name and act like this just happened out of nowhere. It's super bizarre. This is right on the nose. It was the opening for Taylor that got her here but now they are saying it's all just Sabrina. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat1867 Posted Friday at 05:57 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:57 PM Sabrina leveraged the exposure Eras gave her. If Sabrina didn't show herself to be great live performer and didn't release stellar singles, boost would have been much smaller. Her break through is both due to her own work plus the exposure of eras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distantconstellation Posted Friday at 06:25 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:25 PM 23 hours ago, Hexchromatica said: I feel like you could have posted this in a less insufferable way but congrats to her Most of you are insufferable so it's fitting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseBud Posted Saturday at 02:03 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:03 AM 7 hours ago, Distantconstellation said: Most of you are insufferable so it's fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsurferwayne Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:12 AM Please please please we need the international dates ASAP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaespa Posted yesterday at 03:29 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:29 AM tbh i am surprised myself but i am happy for her selling out arena, blocking racist on the spotify chart, we ******* cheer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capris Groove Posted yesterday at 03:53 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:53 AM I find her quite captivating and she and her team are really hitting the mark with timing too. She's not overexposed, and there's genuine interest around her releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted yesterday at 06:48 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:48 AM ATRL being out of touch with reality? Shocking. Congrats to Sabrina for this massive achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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