Rep2000 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Well, one is selling albums and touring, while the other is basic enough to go selling pharmaceutical pills and demanding others to call her Lee. 1 3 1 3
Popboi. Posted July 4 Posted July 4 29 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Well, some sold jockstraps once, other hawk 34 variants. I guess it's how low you're willing to go also Gaga basically abandoned Chromatica after the first week which is a pretty far cry than obsessively dropping variants every week to block imaginary "enemies". Still waiting on those iconic, culturally ubiquitous songs/albums "Other hawk 34 variants". Chromatica had more vinyl variants, more cassette and 3 (one less than TTPD) CDs available on Week 1, on top of merch bundles and tour bundles of a tour that had to be pushed over a year. Add that to scamming her fans with fraud looking "signed" copies. All this to only debut with barely 1/10 of TTPD's first week sales, guess variants only take you so far and can't match real demand. 4 1 3
Itz_Dani! Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 11 hours ago, Eternium said: In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants. Taylor is 14(?) eras in and has failed to match that every time. Chromatica 1st week sales - 274K TTPD 1st week sales - 2.6M & Chromatica was released during the height of the pandemic, in which the majority of the world was locked up with not much to do, and not much competition during that time. Explain then? Edited July 4 by Itz_Dani! 1 1
Alongoria13 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) Gaga actually dared to be left field and use her art for the acceptance of marginalized communities to heights that weren't seen since Madonna, that comes with the sacrifice of not being generically appealing like Miss Swift Edited July 4 by Alongoria13 5
NextBish90 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Because she is not making fast food music and the entire business didn't make an artificial bubble on her for making money? Also because Gaga has a talent. 1 1
Erreur2 La Nature Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Taylor's fans need to stop this trolling. Taylor's commercial success is VERY impressive, particularly in the US but Taylor is not even Top 10 in the list of the biggest peaks. Lady Gaga (and many others) had everything: the sales, the huge hits, the iconic videos, the performances, the iconic outfits, the buzz all the time, etc… Taylor has the longevity but will never come close to Gaga's peak. 2 7 1
Popboi. Posted July 4 Posted July 4 12 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: Taylor's fans need to stop this trolling. Taylor's commercial success is VERY impressive, particularly in the US but Taylor is not even Top 10 in the list of the biggest peaks. Lady Gaga (and many others) had everything: the sales, the huge hits, the iconic videos, the performances, the iconic outfits, the buzz all the time, etc… Taylor has the longevity but will never come close to Gaga's peak. Taylor has moved almost as many album units the past two years as Gaga in her entire career and you would place Gaga's 2009 as one of the biggest peaks instead? This even applies when ignoring 1989 and Speak Now Taylor's Versions in the equation.
Erreur2 La Nature Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Popboi. said: Taylor has moved almost as many album units the past two years as Gaga in her entire career and you would place Gaga's 2009 as one of the biggest peaks instead? This even applies when ignoring 1989 and Speak Now Taylor's Versions in the equation. This is EXACTLY what's wrong with Swifties. Y'all don't seem to understand that there is so much more to someone's peak than just sales. 12
Popboi. Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: This is EXACTLY what's wrong with Swifties. Y'all don't seem to understand that there is so much more to someone's peak than just sales. It's 2024, the GP actively doesn't care about music videos (look at YouTube's complete downfall) or outfits that would make Joan Rivers cry anymore. You can't ignore objective dominance cause of refusal to shock people with tacky gimmicks such as a meat dress. Edited July 4 by Popboi. 1
Erreur2 La Nature Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Popboi. said: It's 2024, the GP actively doesn't care about music videos (look at YouTube's complete downfall) or outfits that would make Joan Rivers cry anymore. You can't ignore objective dominance cause of refusal to shock people with tacky gimmicks such as a meat dress. Just because Gen-Z only cares about Tik Tok trends and Spotify playlists does not take away past achievements and artists' impact. Be serious 3
Popboi. Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: Just because Gen-Z only cares about Tik Tok trends and Spotify playlists does not take away past achievements and artists' impact. Be serious It doesn't take away achievements from the past, you just fail to adapt to what is relevant now when keeping the same lenses from nearly 20 years ago.
zuper Posted July 4 Posted July 4 48 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: Taylor's fans need to stop this trolling. Taylor's commercial success is VERY impressive, particularly in the US but Taylor is not even Top 10 in the list of the biggest peaks. Lady Gaga (and many others) had everything: the sales, the huge hits, the iconic videos, the performances, the iconic outfits, the buzz all the time, etc… Taylor has the longevity but will never come close to Gaga's peak. Taylor: 1. Sales - check 2. huge hits - check (Love Story, Shake It Off, Blank Space, Cruel Summer, etc) 3. iconic videos - check (Bad Blood & Look What You Made Me Do broke the YouTube record and one has a Grammy) 4. Performances - check (People are watching her tour live, in the cinemas and streaming services) 5. iconic outfits - check (Junior Jewels, red lips, 22 T-Shirt, Grammy dress) 6. the buzz all the time - check (Cities changed their name for her, Super Bowl was the most watched because of her, she was Person Of The Year 2023) So please stop trolling and just accept, that Taylor archived legend status without a cheap wig, meat dress and a performance with a r*pist. 1 3
dirrtydiana Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, Feanor said: Because ATRL doesn't understand that wigs and gimmicks Why do you or other swifties keep spreading this dumb ass narrative along with the "vibes and feels" "drag" thinking you guys ate when ts is just as guilty of using all of it? The lack of self awareness Taylor's history with her "lucky number 13" Edited July 4 by dirrtydiana
Jay07 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Feanor said: And some sell both thongs and multiple variants, on top of also selling their albums for 99 cent. And the lowest of lows is when Billboard itself has to step in and raise the minimum eligible price of an album because some were trying to rig the system. Idk about other artists, but it has never come to that with Taylor. You only need to look at what people are listening to. The listening behavior of hundreds of millions >>> the individual opinion of a single ATRL user. As I said, for some people, it's convenient to think that merch is worse than 34 variants, drip fed and time gated over weeks. One was done by everyone in the business (hence the intervention) the other the exclusive purview of the greediest artist to ever exist, whose only innovation was figuring out how to milk fans with 4.99 voice notes week in and week out oh and the 99 cents thing was an Amazon deal, not coming from Gaga. But you knew that right I guess we can expect to hear "iconic hits" like Anti Hero and Cardigan sung by everyone from grandmas to toddlers the world over like the aforementioned era defining hits like Billie Jean and Bad Romance. Can't wait Edited July 4 by Jay07 2
Mittens Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Meat dress disrespect is borderline homophobia The dress was intended as political statement to raise awareness about the problematic Don't Ask Don't Tell policy in the US military. This policy was hugely unfair and discriminatory towards LGBTQ+ soldiers. Just prior to the VMAs she had given a speech at a DADT rally called "The Prime Rib of America" stating, "Equality is the prime rib of America, but because I'm gay I don't get to enjoy the greatest cut of meat my country has to offer." This speech was given 5 years before gay marriage became legal across all states. When she arrived at the MTV awards she walked the red carpet with two dates. They were LGBTQ+ soldiers that had been dishonorably discharged due to DADT representing the organization SLDN.org. She told the interviewers on the carpet that they were here with her to promote an important cause and raise awareness about the unfair policy. In Gaga's own words about the dress, "What I was really trying to say was dead meat is dead meat. And anyone that's willing to take their life and die for their country is the same. You're not gay and dead, straight and dead. You are dead," There are not a lot of stars who would create a political spectacle like this, especially in the highs of their career. I don't picture Taylor standing up for her beliefs like this but maybe one day she'll surprise us! 2 4 1
Miracle Whip Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Are the Swifties on here very young? Did they actually experience Gaga 2009-2011? We hadn't seen a media peak like that since early Britney. It was front page news every time she stepped outside of her hotel in a new outfit. Gaga had the entire music industry waiting with baited breath for her next move. She put music videos being events back on the map something we hadn't seen since peak MJ/Madonna. Gaga was able to take over the globe with her debut single with a relatively unknown producer something that Taylor couldn't do until she teamed up with the biggest pop producer of the century and still didn't reach the commercial heights of Poker Face and Bad Romance. Not to mention every single label trying to have their own Gaga and spawning dozens of Gaga clones something that hadn't been done since Britney debuted. 11 2
Kavish Posted July 4 Posted July 4 14 hours ago, OreGuy said: what is Swift's impact? quickly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_impact_of_Taylor_Swift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_Eras_Tour
Cruel Summer Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I'm not going to disrespect Gaga or pretend her peak was anything other than astronomical - I don't think it was as big as Taylor's, but I can see the clear argument that she may have had more cultural pull where Taylor has more raw commercial power. Apples and oranges, in my opinion, but both these women had the whole world orbiting around them for some time. What I think happened with Gaga that limited her commercial numbers compared to Taylor's, despite still having a successful career and making a successful acting transition, is twofold. One, as many have pointed out, the type of art she chose to make at her peak was rather brazenly political, gay, and otherwise likely to be polarizing. This is in stark contrast to Taylor's choice to release music that, while I obviously think it's good and has significant artistic merit, is more clearly commercially viable. Two, Gaga faced challenges in her life - particularly medical challenges - that forced her to reign in her sense of ambition for the sake of her health and wellbeing. She had the vision, she had the ambition, and a little remnant of that still burns in her today and can be seen in her dedication to her acting and in material like her recent concert film. But we're talking about someone who came onto the scene very intentionally trying to shift the whole pop music world, and who pretty much immediately succeeded at doing so. She wanted it, I think, the way that Taylor wants it now. I cannot and will not fault her for changing her perspective on that when faced with things like major injuries and chronic illness.
Feanor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Jay07 said: As I said, for some people, it's convenient to think that merch is worse than 34 variants, drip fed and time gated over weeks. One was done by everyone in the business (hence the intervention) the other the exclusive purview of the greediest artist to ever exist, whose only innovation was figuring out how to milk fans with 4.99 voice notes week in and week out oh and the 99 cents thing was an Amazon deal, not coming from Gaga. But you knew that right Everyone was selling their albums for 99 cents in their first week? Meanwhile everyone does offer variants, including Gaga, but you knew that right [2] 3 hours ago, Popboi. said: "Other hawk 34 variants". Chromatica had more vinyl variants, more cassette and 3 (one less than TTPD) CDs available on Week 1, on top of merch bundles and tour bundles of a tour that had to be pushed over a year. Add that to scamming her fans with fraud looking "signed" copies. All this to only debut with barely 1/10 of TTPD's first week sales, guess variants only take you so far and can't match real demand. Looks like Gaga can't escape your greed accusations. 1 hour ago, Jay07 said: I guess we can expect to hear "iconic hits" like Anti Hero and Cardigan sung by everyone from grandmas to toddlers the world over like the aforementioned era defining hits like Billie Jean and Bad Romance. Can't wait Indeed, hence why those two songs get more daily streams than any Gaga song released this side of 2008, and unlike "Bad Romance" they're not even Taylor's biggest hits. And it doesn't even stop with hits only, with how Taylor is charting 8 albums in the top 100 on Billboard this very moment. See when you have remembered hits and albums… 1
shimind Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, Itz_Dani! said: Chromatica 1st week sales - 274K TTPD 1st week sales - 2.6M & Chromatica was released during the height of the pandemic, in which the majority of the world was locked up with not much to do, and not much competition during that time. Explain then? majority of the world was busy visiting hospitals to get corona injections, and see their loved ones on ventilators. no one had time to stream music on loop back then for charts. 1 1
MasterExpose Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Gaga peaked too quick and it's hard to keep up that level while Taylor has been building it up but will face the same fate in the long run unless she plays her cards well. One feels more genuine than the other too.
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