WildHeart Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said: folklore is literally walmart NFR Again proving my point, hears any alt/indie music and thinks all sounds the same. Go listen your fave's country attempt and leave alt pop to girls who can do it (without an army behind them) 3
Jay07 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Feanor said: Because ATRL doesn't understand that wigs and gimmicks can only carry one's career so far. At the end of the day, music what matters above all else and evidently the public prefers Taylor's music, which is why her huge 2022-24 peak was all about the appreciation and recognition of her entire discography. Well those wigs and gimmicks created iconic hits and moments that will stay in cultural memory forever, certainly way more than the manipulated streams with stratwgies BTS fans use Edited July 4 by Jay07 10 3
ScorpiosGroove Posted July 4 Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, WildHeart said: Again proving my point, hears any alt/indie music and thinks all sounds the same literally everyone thinks that, that's why many critics pointed it out and why it's literally mentioned in folklore's own apple music description 11 minutes ago, WildHeart said: leave alt pop to girls who can do it (without an army behind them) aka Lana, not the blonde h&m synth pop recycler wbk. go buy a couple more variants, god knows your fav's self esteem depends on them
Feanor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Just now, Jay07 said: Well those wigs and gimmicks created iconic hits and moments that will stay in cultural memory forever, certainly way more than the manipulated streams of the female BTS I'm sure they will in the minds of ATRLers, meanwhile in the real world BTS is right next to Lady Gaga in how many streams they get, so it doesn't look like those iconic moments translate to anything outside of this forum. 4 1
WildHeart Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said: aka Lana, not the blonde h&m synth pop recycler wbk Folklore being an AOTY winning album with longevity still hurts you to this day huh? Some fans didn't see an AOTY winning or remembered album from their faves in a decade so that's understandable 3 1 6
WildHeart Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Jay07 said: certainly way more than the manipulated streams of the female BTS Daily streams Taylor - 79.2M BTS - 12M Gags - 10.7M Female BTS with a small niche fanbase indeed, thanks GP expert Jay00 Edited July 4 by WildHeart 1 1
BadHabits Posted July 4 Posted July 4 9 hours ago, Lagerfeld said: Taylor's place in the music industry is undoubtedly one of the most important. One of the reasons for this is her very loyal and strong fan base. Similarly, Gaga has the Little Monsters, who are just as dedicated to her, but why hasn't she been able to reach Taylor's heights in terms of commercial performance and impact? Gaga doesn't represent white mediocrity. Taylor's accessible, mass-appealing and markets herself well, making endearing to her fans who are young and gullible. 2 1
Jay07 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 17 minutes ago, Feanor said: I'm sure they will in the minds of ATRLers, meanwhile in the real world BTS is right next to Lady Gaga in how many streams they get, so it doesn't look like those iconic moments translate to anything outside of this forum. Well when its pointed out that Swift couldn't create a memorable moment if her life depended on it, her fans always cry that it's all about the music but then when they are asked about her iconic, memorable songs on the level of Billie Jean, Like a Prayer or Bad Romance they mumble something about streams and leave Also, since reading comprehension isn't exactly everyone's strongest suit here apparently, I clarified my post about comparing the fraudulent tactics being used and not actually comparing the reach of an American act to a niche act from Korea hope that helps 8
Eternal220 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Miss Americana said: Fads don't last very long and their shortlived peak generally don't match the peaks of a genuine phenomenon... that's it Thank you. People saying gaga's peak was bigger bfr. It's not Taylor's fault her music is so widely loved and consumed or that she can outgross gaga's entire touring career with just the first 60 dates of the eras tour, the demand is just there. 3
WildHeart Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, Jay07 said: not actually comparing the reach of an American act to a niche act from Korea GP's belowed Gaga can't even compete with the reach of a niche act from Korea? Oh that's bad 2
ScorpiosGroove Posted July 4 Posted July 4 17 minutes ago, WildHeart said: Folklore being an AOTY winning album with longevity still hurts you to this day huh? Some fans didn't see an AOTY winning or remembered album from their faves in a decade so that's understandable "some fans didn't see an aoty winning or remembered album from their faves in a decade so that's understandable" 4
Feanor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Well when its pointed out that Swift couldn't create a memorable moment if her life depended on it, her fans always cry that it's all about the music but then when they are asked about her iconic, memorable songs on the level of Billie Jean, Like a Prayer or Bad Romance they mumble something about streams and leave Because those streams prove exactly what's memorable and remembered and what's not. It's literally the most accurate metric measuring what people are listening to. And Taylor has multiple songs that are remembered more than "Bad Romance". And ofc when we look at the wider picture and include iconic albums too, things become even more favorable for Taylor. Some people have moments that are supposedly memorable, others have actual memorable music that's backed up by facts. 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Also, since reading comprehension isn't exactly everyone's strongest suit here apparently, I clarified my post about comparing the fraudulent tactics being used and not actually comparing the reach of an American act to a niche act from Korea hope that helps Fradulent tactics like bundling your album with ticket sales for a tour at the height of the pandemic? Or selling thongs for additional album sales? Or shipping cassettes a day earlier so that an album can qualify for Grammys, despite the actual release date being outside of the eligibility period? You'll find that Gaga is not unfamiliar with employing dubious tactics to further her career. 3 1
zuper Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) Not little monster talking about fraudulent tactics when Gaga had her 99ct for BTW and cheap features with popular artists Not they asking for Taylor's impact where there is a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to her impact Guess Taylor needs a cheap wig, talk about some tribes, letting herself puke on and be besties with R Kelly to have the heights of Gaga Edited July 4 by zuper 5 3
Badgalbriel Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Well, people are not focusing on the right stuff here. It all comes down to the music. Gaga followed up her downfall era with Joanne. Taylor followed up her "downfall" era with Folklore. It's about knowing how to play the game. 1
Jay07 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Feanor said: Because those streams prove exactly what's memorable and remembered and what's not. It's literally the most accurate metric measuring what people are listening to. And Taylor has multiple songs that are remembered more than "Bad Romance". And ofc when we look at the wider picture and include iconic albums too, things become even more favorable for Taylor. Some people have moments that are supposedly memorable, others have actual memorable music that's backed up by facts. Fradulent tactics like bundling your album with ticket sales for a tour at the height of the pandemic? Or selling thongs for additional album sales? Or shipping cassettes a day earlier so that an album can qualify for Grammys, despite the actual release date being outside of the eligibility period? You'll find that Gaga is not unfamiliar with employing dubious tactics to further her career. Well, some sold jockstraps once, other hawk 34 variants. I guess it's how low you're willing to go also Gaga basically abandoned Chromatica after the first week which is a pretty far cry than obsessively dropping variants every week to block imaginary "enemies". Still waiting on those iconic, culturally ubiquitous songs/albums Edited July 4 by Jay07 2
Feanor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Well, some sold jockstraps once, other hawk 34 variants. And some sell both thongs and multiple variants, on top of also selling their albums for 99 cent. 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: I guess it's how low you're willing to go And the lowest of lows is when Billboard itself has to step in and raise the minimum eligible price of an album because some were trying to rig the system. Idk about other artists, but it has never come to that with Taylor. 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Still waiting on those iconic songs/albums You only need to look at what people are listening to. The listening behavior of hundreds of millions >>> the individual opinion of a single ATRL user. 3
John Slayne Posted July 4 Posted July 4 because at the height of her career she sang "no matter gay straight or bi lesbian transgender life" which instantly alienated half of the world meanwhile taylor churns out the most generic, bland radio music that offends nobody i thought this was obvious 4
Troll Idle Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Gaga caters the gays and Taylor caters the girlies. And there are much more girlies around than gays
ChooseyLover Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Illuminati said: It's because she's 5'2 Justice for 'Love Me Right' me thinks
Mittens Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Quote Last Monday, Amazon decided to give away Lady Gaga's new album, Born This Way for just 99 cents. The sale was so popular it brought the site down, and so the site repeated the same promotion on Thursday. That's all well and good for cheapskate Gaga fans, but it reportedly ended up costing Amazon about $3.18 million to run the promotion. Billboard has a full breakdown of the numbers, but it can be summed up pretty easily: Amazon sold 430,000 copies and lost about $7.40 on each one, thus equaling around $3.18 million. It wasn't just about Gaga though -- it was Amazon picking one big release to supplement the cost, so they could get news about their new Cloud Player into the hands and minds of 430,000 people. This certainly isn't the first time we've seen Amazon bite the bullet to get new customers; the site offered similar deals for Kanye West and Arcade Fire last year. 99 cents isn't really the drag y'all think it is Source
ChooseyLover Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Anyway, love how ATRL has Gaga's back. She's the closest thing to an authentic superstar and pop phenomenon the world has ever gotten since Britney, and before Britney, the Spice Girls. Taylor will never compare to any of that (nor she needs to tbh). 5 1
Digitalism Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Because the music has been bad since artpop. Not even the mosters like her albums. 3
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