base talk Gaga couldn't reach Taylor's heights. Why?

[Mordecai]

28 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

what is Swift's impact? quickly.

Commercial success!!

Lyricism!!

AUDIENCE CONNECTION!!!

[Josh]

7 minutes ago, Tropical said:

Gaga refused to dumb down her artistry to appeal to the masses, pop culture will never be low brow she said.

Then why did she release Joanne and Chromatica? 

[James_Joint]

26 minutes ago, iHype. said:

You could argue this with basically every other female artist. Why are you worried about focusing on Gaga? 

 

And also this is pointless because it is blatantly obvious that someone who makes music and imagery like Born This Way at their career height would never have the same appeal. And ofcourse leave it to a forum gay to be nasty and ungrateful about it. 

It's not that she made music and imagery like BTW, but rather that she went too far with the gimmicks and then went on to abandon that image completely whereas Taylor perfected hers.  

[futuresuperstar2023]

Lady Gaga isn't a safe artist like Taylor Swift is. I don't get why people act obtuse when it comes to this. Lady Gaga image is way more out there while Taylor Swift image is more palatable to the masses and her demographic.

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

1 minute ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

Alienated the GP but spending 7 weeks at #1 and selling over 1 million copies first week. 

[selena_lavigne]

Not the glitch. 

[James_Joint]

10 minutes ago, Tropical said:

Gaga refused to dumb down her artistry to appeal to the masses, pop culture will never be low brow she said.

Her artistry turned into having a backup dancer throw up on her and showing up in an egg and then when she started flopping she turned to jazz and medication commercials.  Like what artistry are you defending lmao 

[Happylittlepunk]

Shut up *****.

[Ramcoro]

No one has.

[Doctor Dick]

Gaga reached Taylor's heights. I don't understand why it's gotta be the exact same peak.

 

Taylor has album sales and a tour. Gaga had the singles and pop culture dominance. They both were the biggest and most famous singers of their peaks and both had incredibly devoted fanbases. The only question that should be asked is why Gaga's height didn't last like Taylor's does and the answer is well known but I'll repeat it: the polarizing album that was Born This Way. 

[James_Joint]

4 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

Gaga reached Taylor's heights. I don't understand why it's gotta be the exact same peak.

 

Taylor has album sales and a tour. Gaga had the singles and pop culture dominance. They both were the biggest and most famous singers of their peaks and both had incredibly devoted fanbases. The only question that should be asked is why Gaga's height didn't last like Taylor's does and the answer is well known but I'll repeat it: the polarizing album that was Born This Way. 

Girl BTW was the closest she was to catering to and developing a solid fan base but she fumbled that, she fumbled everything after her debut and that's that. 

Edited Thursday at 01:29 AM by James_Joint

[ericcartman]

Why are you focusing on Taylor. There's a lot of girls who surpassed Gaga.

[Doctor Dick]

41 minutes ago, Eternium said:

In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants.

 

Taylor is 14(?) eras in and has failed to match that every time.

When we say this it looks like it's Taylor shade but chartmasters has recently even stated that sales from the digital era (Gaga's peak) is totally non-comparable to streaming era (Taylor's peak) because every listen and sale is counted whereas Gaga's lacked many territories and the music industry was largely being consumed illegally. 

 

39 minutes ago, Julia Fox said:

And still every era of her outdid all of her albums sans TF/TFM which is on par with units with 1989 so what's your point?

That TF/TFM on top of those units also had bigger hits therefore giving Gaga a slight edge. 

 

29 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

And yet Taylor's 1989 tour outgrossed Monster Ball Tour (with less dates, mind you), spawned 2 huge smashes, 1 big hit, and 2 moderate hits. Pretty on par with The Fame. All with only.. 1? variant and no streaming, just like TF. If you want to count "reissues" (TFM & 1989TV) Taylor's lead only increases. Gaga definitely captivated award shows and red carpets but she didn't do anything from a commercial standpoint that Swift hasn't since replicated and exceeded. 

I agree 1989 is super close with TF but TF takes the edge simply because it had a little bit bigger hits. As for the touring part it's apples to oranges because in order to have a stadium tour you also need a legacy and many albums. The Monster Ball Tour was launched when Gaga just became a household name and while kids and teens were huge fans she didn't have the adults yet. Whose concert are you more willing to go to: someone you like one or two songs by or someone who you like 10+ songs by? 

 

25 minutes ago, JennyWayne said:

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image 

This part. The fact that the first week of the lead single broke the all time digital record yet the album itself didn't says a lot. 

Edited Thursday at 01:42 AM by Doctor Dick

[princedonte]

Same with everything. Taylor is more palatable to the general public than any male  or female artist who has a more eccentric image. She's not this relatable common woman. She has manufactured an image that people have brought into.  However it won't last forever and will be marred  with scrutiny like everything else that's super popular. I was on this site at Gaga's peak. You couldn't say a negative thing about Gaga without a massive swarm of fans destroying you with a vicious marathon of insults. She was the clear front runner in the Pop game, but she has been subsided. As well with Katy; even Adele doesn't pack the punch like she used to. Taylor has concocted a press blitz that will surely come with fallout. Like so many before her. 

Edited Thursday at 02:04 AM by princedonte