base talk Gaga couldn't reach Taylor's heights. Why?

[Lagerfeld]

Taylor's place in the music industry is undoubtedly one of the most important. One of the reasons for this is her very loyal and strong fan base. Similarly, Gaga has the Little Monsters, who are just as dedicated to her, but why hasn't she been able to reach Taylor's heights in terms of commercial performance and impact?

 

 

 

[OreGuy]

what is Swift's impact? quickly.

[iHype.]

You could argue this with basically every other female artist. Why are you worried about focusing on Gaga? 

 

And also this is pointless because it is blatantly obvious that someone who makes music and imagery like Born This Way at their career height would never have the same appeal. And ofcourse leave it to a forum gay to be nasty and ungrateful about it. 

[Treason]

2 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

what is Swift's impact? quickly.

 

Not this, for sure. And we thank God for that.

 

[OreGuy]

Just now, Treason said:

 

Not this, for sure. And we thank God for that.

 

can't even name one. i guess there's nothing, clearly.

[HASHTAGPOW]

Gaga is only 5'1

 

[byzantium]

Taylor has some high heels and already is pretty tall.  

[PoisonedIvy]

10 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

what is Swift's impact? quickly.

Even when we point it out you will just deny it. Why do you attack Swift, who is undeniably a legend at this point, and not the OP who is trying to provoke you into reacting negatively? Come on, be better. Gaga has a ton of impact and success that will never be erased, theres no reason to insinuate Taylor somehow doesn't. 

[PoisonedIvy]

OT — because Gaga made some intentionally polarizing decisions early on in her career that siphoned away some of her GP support. 

[nostalgic]

She's a short Sicilian gal, leave her alone 

[Eternium]

In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants.

 

Taylor is 14(?) eras in and has failed to match that every time.

[Julia Fox]

Because Gaga tries too hard to be edgy and unique. Less is more, people don't want complexity, they want something to relate to and could listen at any moment of their day and sadly that can't be said about Gaga. Taylor is more of a sweetheart and have been more consistent on her releases and that helps a lot unlike Gaga that every album takes more time to be released and now wants to be seen as an actress more than a singer

[Julia Fox]

1 minute ago, Eternium said:

In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants.

 

Taylor is 14(?) eras in and has failed to match that every time.

And still every era of her outdid all of her albums sans TF/TFM which is on par with units with 1989 so what's your point?

Edited Thursday at 01:02 AM by Julia Fox

[Raphy23]

she got lazy and comfortable 

[Treason]

OT: Gaga appeals mainly to gay men now (most of whom abandoned her since ARTPOP era)

 

[Erotic]

One of my most notable memories as a Gaga stan was her response to being called the Queen of Pop and being compared to Madonna during the BTWB

 

She said she didn't want to be anyone's ******* queen, she wanted to make a difference in people's lives

 

And she did exactly that, you may not see is now, but Born This Way stimulated a cultural and political movement that saved many lives  

 

I love Taylor and give props to her success where it's due, but it's comparing apples to oranges 

[Orsay]

too much talent/excellence for the dumbed down general public to comprehend

 

[sasashite]

15 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

what is Swift's impact? quickly.

She brought country music to a young audience.

 

She is mainly responsible for changing the face of female pop music, which was characterized by extravagance, sex, and theatrical visuals, and is now much more defined by confessional and relatable songs.

 

She is the most frequently cited as an inspiration and compared to artist by emerging new artists (Olivia, Sabrina, Laufey, Phoebe Bridgers, Clairo, Tate McRae...).

 

She significantly increased the number of women buying guitars according to Fender, basically creating new musicians.

 

She is cited as a leader of the poptimism movement with her album 1989, helping pop music gain more recognition from critics.

 

She brought the biggest producer in current pop music to the mainstream.

 

She caused Apple to change its payment policies.

[Shimenawa]

Gaga was not basique enough for the GP

[Eternium]

6 minutes ago, Julia Fox said:

And still every era of her outdid all of her albums sans TF/TFM which is on par with units with 1989 so what's your point?

If you include Taylor's fraudulent Spotify streams, sure. But Taylor was bombing on Spotify before autoplay started and she regularly failed to outsell even Born This Way because she struggled in key global markets like Japan, South Korea, the U.K. and France. Nobody would have argued that Taylor Swift, Speak Now, Red, Reputation or Lover were bigger than BTW until after Taylor's label started pushing her on Spotify in 2020.

 

It's like saying The Weeknd is outperforming Michael Jackson at the same point in his career just because all listening impressions are now considered "sales equivalents."

[Tropical]

Gaga refused to dumb down her artistry to appeal to the masses, pop culture will never be low brow she said.

[selena_lavigne]

6 minutes ago, Erotic said:

One of my most notable memories as a Gaga stan was her response to being called the Queen of Pop and being compared to Madonna during the BTWB

 

She said she didn't want to be anyone's ******* queen, she wanted to make a difference in people's lives

 

And she did exactly that, you may not see is now, but Born This Way stimulated a cultural and political movement that saved many lives  

 

I love Taylor and give props to her success where it's due, but it's comparing apples to oranges 

But Taylor Swift contributed to the same movement with Welcome To New York and You Need To Calm Down. 

[PoisonedIvy]

11 minutes ago, Eternium said:

In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. 

Taylor famously released an album (that was her first peak of many) in 2008 that spawned 2 classic songs and has since gone diamond, years before streaming came into the picture.
 

And hell, she didn't upload 1989 onto Spotify at all for years and hindered its success, yet still peaked globally there as well without playlists or loops. She has more than proven she's capable of outperforming her peers with or without streaming. If the BB200 was purely sales driven right now she'd be even more unstoppable. 

 

11 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants.

And yet Taylor's 1989 tour outgrossed Monster Ball Tour (with less dates, mind you), spawned 2 huge smashes, 1 big hit, and 2 moderate hits. Pretty on par with The Fame. All with only.. 1? variant and no streaming, just like TF. If you want to count "reissues" (TFM & 1989TV) Taylor's lead only increases. Gaga definitely captivated award shows and red carpets but she didn't do anything from a commercial standpoint that Swift hasn't since replicated and exceeded. 

[Buffy]

Gaga had too many jump scare costumes. People were getting tired of attending a horror show. Taylor's music has always been easier on the eyes and ears.

[JennyWayne]

Lady Gaga chose to be a heavy advocate of the LGBTQ+ community to the point where she dedicated an entire album to them at the peak of her commercial career. That in itself sadly alienates a large chunk of the GP that Taylor never did because she carefully chose to have a safe and relatable image