Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 8 hours ago, hawx23 said: Do you live in SF? I genuinely need rich liberals to understand no one is going to sympathize with you that you hoard wealth and consolidate it into major cities and then claim somehow no one can understand your "plight" in "dealing with the homeless" by not living where you are. You have created a system of inequality. You should feel lucky we don't burn the city to the ground, expropriate all housing from affluent residents, and start the failed experiment of a city over. 3
pisuke Posted July 22 Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, Communion said: I genuinely need rich liberals to understand no one is going to sympathize with you that you hoard wealth and consolidate it into major cities and then claim somehow no one can understand your "plight" in "dealing with the homeless" by not living where you are. You have created a system of inequality. You should feel lucky we don't burn the city to the ground, expropriate all housing from affluent residents, and start the failed experiment of a city over. THIS, THIS AND ******* THIS!!! 1 1 1
on the line Posted July 22 Posted July 22 8 hours ago, hawx23 said: Do you live in SF? Of course they don't. Nobody who doesn't live here or any of the other West Coast cities going through this doesn't realize what's actually happening and what it's like to be a normal citizen (not all of us are ultra wealthy). We've had our cars broken into, homes broken into, woken up to piles of human waste at our front doors, harassed and screamed at endlessly, and I could go on and on and ******* on. These aren't your just down-on-their-luck homeless. These are people specifically taking advantage of the lenient policies and completely disobeying any sense of law and order. Public spaces aren't safe. They don't give one **** about any of us so good ******* riddance. 1 1
on the line Posted July 22 Posted July 22 18 hours ago, Enrique523 said: In what world?? You're just lying https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-27/refusing-shelter-bed-in-san-mateo-county-could-soon-be-a-crime https://www.ktvu.com/news/san-francisco-can-step-up-efforts-to-clear-homeless-encampments https://sfist.com/2023/12/12/city-outreach-teams-say-around-60-of-sf-homeless-refused-offers-of-shelter-the-past-three-months/ https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/260-shelter-beds-portland-homeless-arent-used/283-f028c410-3bf0-4425-bc3b-94eaeeaa10ee "I don't want to go to a shelter," explained Dave Cooper, an unhoused Portlander who sleeps outdoors at Sewallcrest Park in Southeast Portland or other public spaces. Cooper said shelters aren't a viable option because of concerns over privacy, personal safety and a strict curfew. "I couldn't do it," said Cooper, sitting next to a shopping cart filled with his sleeping bag and other belongings. "Being out here, it's freedom." Do you want me to keep going or are you embarrassed yet that you're calling someone a liar when you don't know your own facts? 2
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, on the line said: "I don't want to go to a shelter," You're literally showing that they're offering people shelter instead of housing. 1
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 21 minutes ago, on the line said: (not all of us are ultra wealthy) "Ultra" being an intentional modifier you think no one will notice. Please post your 2023 yearly income and job title. Thank you!
perfect blue Posted July 22 Posted July 22 30 minutes ago, on the line said: Of course they don't. Nobody who doesn't live here or any of the other West Coast cities going through this doesn't realize what's actually happening and what it's like to be a normal citizen (not all of us are ultra wealthy). We've had our cars broken into, homes broken into, woken up to piles of human waste at our front doors, harassed and screamed at endlessly, and I could go on and on and ******* on. These aren't your just down-on-their-luck homeless. These are people specifically taking advantage of the lenient policies and completely disobeying any sense of law and order. Public spaces aren't safe. They don't give one **** about any of us so good ******* riddance. No point in arguing with out of touch liberals who are shielded from reality in their affluent enclaves. They wont change their tune until their shitty policies to come back and bite them in the ass. 2 1
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, perfect blue said: out of touch liberals who are shielded from reality in their affluent enclaves. *looks at thread title* ....? Why have affluent liberals convinced themselves that they're somehow working class if they make under $400k and live in San Francisco. Again, unless you're going to post your yearly income and job title, anyone advocating themselves as a resident of San Francisco wanting to brutalize the homeless will be considered affluent and wealthy because San Francisco is home to the affluent and wealthy. Feel like we're entering mass mental illness where people start posting "I work on tech administration and only make $195k a year! I only own a condo!! I know what it's like to struggle!! We are not the ultra rich millionaires who live in mansions in Calabasas! We are normal people!!!" without realizing the insanity of such. Edited July 22 by Communion 2
hawx23 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 13 minutes ago, Communion said: *looks at thread title* ....? Why have affluent liberals convinced themselves that they're somehow working class if they make under $400k and live in San Francisco. Again, unless you're going to post your yearly income and job title, anyone advocating themselves as a resident of San Francisco wanting to brutalize the homeless will be considered affluent and wealthy because San Francisco is home to the affluent and wealthy. Feel like we're entering mass mental illness where people start posting "I work on tech administration and only make $195k a year! I only own a condo!! I know what it's like to struggle!! We are not the ultra rich millionaires who live in mansions in Calabasas! We are normal people!!!" without realizing the insanity of such. So basically you live in a Midwest suburb and don't have meth addicts crapping on your doorstep. Got it. 1 1 1 1
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, hawx23 said: So basically you live in a Midwest suburb and don't have meth addicts crapping on your doorstep. Got it. 2023 yearly income and job title please! 1 1
perfect blue Posted July 22 Posted July 22 12 minutes ago, Communion said: 2023 yearly income and job title please! State please! So which one is it, Wisconsin or Minnesota? 1
Happylittlepunk Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Unless you live in the Bay Area or San Francisco. You guys have no idea how it is dealing with homeless people. It is bad out here. 1 2
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, perfect blue said: State please! So which one is it, Wisconsin or Minnesota? One of us has this info on their profile already and it's seemingly not you. Let alone name changes won't make people unaware of one's conservative post history! Why are you ashamed to list your income? It's probably six figures isn't it? :/ Are we really gonna have to endure the mass mental illness of people making six figures framing themselves as working class? :/ 1 1
byzantium Posted July 22 Posted July 22 So first this city made housing expensive and unattainable and now the city is punishing the people for being the product of the city's own policy failure. San Francisco is such a neoliberal dystopian wasteland. 1 1
hawx23 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 24 minutes ago, Communion said: One of us has this info on their profile already and it's seemingly not you. Let alone name changes won't make people unaware of one's conservative post history! Why are you ashamed to list your income? It's probably six figures isn't it? :/ Are we really gonna have to endure the mass mental illness of people making six figures framing themselves as working class? :/ I'm not ashamed of anything. I'm sick of people who don't live in these cities claiming to know what's best for these cities. Mind your business. 1 1
hawx23 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 28 minutes ago, Communion said: One of us has this info on their profile already and it's seemingly not you. Let alone name changes won't make people unaware of one's conservative post history! Why are you ashamed to list your income? It's probably six figures isn't it? :/ Are we really gonna have to endure the mass mental illness of people making six figures framing themselves as working class? :/ PS if you're not housing meth addicts in your living room then you're contributing to the problem too. LIBERAL ELITE
Communion Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 11 minutes ago, hawx23 said: I'm not ashamed of anything. So how much did you make last year? $100k? $150k? $200k? $250k? Surely you get why I'm not gonna have any sympathy for you unless you turn around and tell me you're making like $70k a year as a teacher in the SF public school system or health aide, right? Surely you understand the optics of being some of the wealthiest people in the nation and calling for the slaughter of the poorest? Edited July 22 by Communion
suneclipse121 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Every year the company I work for invites me to their SF headquarters for a in real life work event since I wfh. And let me tell you the situation in that city is SCARY. I have seen things I have never seen in my whole life in that city and I'm 30. I mostly have dread now at the thought of going back even if it's just for a couple days because of it's current state. Honestly might skip this year. SF is a beautiful city. But it's been completely tarnished by its current situation and really needs a huge overhaul. From the outside I don't even know how you save that city at this point. 1 2
hugoflegend Posted July 22 Posted July 22 On 7/8/2024 at 1:00 PM, on the line said: I, too, was a bright-eyed progressive when I moved to the west coast 12 years ago. Then I watched it get worse year by year but held to my convctions. But then covid happened, and I've watched the complete failure of progressive policies make life worse for taxpayers and homeless alike. This isn't good for anyone. It isn't safe. It isn't moral. Letting people take over every inch of public space leaving human waste on every surface and drug paraphernalia on every sidewalk, bench, and public transit seat is not the way to run a society. It is telling about a general lack of empathy towards the homeless that many think a 'clean sidewalk' is more important than a human life. Think, what caused this situation? The pandemic caused a spike in drug addiction, there has been price hikes across the board for necessities/groceries, jobs are paying too little to survive on, and people are being priced out of homes. All of this together leads to mental health struggles, which leads to more drug use to cope. Instead of pushing policies to help with any of the real systemic failures, they are pushing to criminalize. When these issues pile up and push people into homelessness, it is not their fault that the systems in place have failed them. These problems need to be solved, but legal persecution is not the way to do it. The US already has the highest incarceration rate of all countries in the world, and yet we still have so many issues. It seems "tough love' isn't working for this country so far. Mass legal punishment isn't a magic cure all. It is a brainless idea. You think fines (on people who have no money, so it's likely they will face jail time for being unable to pay), or the threat of jail/imprisonment is going to help make the streets safe? If rent and housing prices keep rising and there are no adjustments to protect the poor, logically there will be more and more homeless people regardless of what silly punishments policy makers tries to impose. It is not a solution, but a flimsy band-aid that will not even accomplish the 'clean public transit' that you supposedly value so highly. 2
Illyboy Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) The mayor's name + city combo is sending me... edit: Quote On Friday, homeless advocates voiced concern that the Supreme Court ruling criminalizes poverty, forcing homeless people into the criminal justice system and making it more difficult to regain stability wait this makes sense Quote Data shows that San Francisco police use force disproportionately against homeless people compared to the general population. Nearly a third of subjects in use-of-force incidents are homeless, a Standard data analysis found. ok this woman is not funny anymore Edited July 22 by Illyboy
on the line Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, hugoflegend said: It is telling about a general lack of empathy towards the homeless that many think a 'clean sidewalk' is more important than a human life. Think, what caused this situation? The pandemic caused a spike in drug addiction, there has been price hikes across the board for necessities/groceries, jobs are paying too little to survive on, and people are being priced out of homes. All of this together leads to mental health struggles, which leads to more drug use to cope. Instead of pushing policies to help with any of the real systemic failures, they are pushing to criminalize. When these issues pile up and push people into homelessness, it is not their fault that the systems in place have failed them. These problems need to be solved, but legal persecution is not the way to do it. The US already has the highest incarceration rate of all countries in the world, and yet we still have so many issues. It seems "tough love' isn't working for this country so far. Mass legal punishment isn't a magic cure all. It is a brainless idea. You think fines (on people who have no money, so it's likely they will face jail time for being unable to pay), or the threat of jail/imprisonment is going to help make the streets safe? If rent and housing prices keep rising and there are no adjustments to protect the poor, logically there will be more and more homeless people regardless of what silly punishments policy makers tries to impose. It is not a solution, but a flimsy band-aid that will not even accomplish the 'clean public transit' that you supposedly value so highly. It is telling you have a general lack of understanding what it's like in these cities, so any other essays you'd like to compose are irrelevant. 1
on the line Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, suneclipse121 said: Every year the company I work for invites me to their SF headquarters for a in real life work event since I wfh. And let me tell you the situation in that city is SCARY. I have seen things I have never seen in my whole life in that city and I'm 30. I mostly have dread now at the thought of going back even if it's just for a couple days because of it's current state. Honestly might skip this year. SF is a beautiful city. But it's been completely tarnished by its current situation and really needs a huge overhaul. From the outside I don't even know how you save that city at this point. Bingo! San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle are unlike any other cities in the US facing this crisis so unless you're in one of those cities experiencing this firsthand you have no place to talk. 2
hawx23 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Communion said: So how much did you make last year? $100k? $150k? $200k? $250k? Surely you get why I'm not gonna have any sympathy for you unless you turn around and tell me you're making like $70k a year as a teacher in the SF public school system or health aide, right? Surely you understand the optics of being some of the wealthiest people in the nation and calling for the slaughter of the poorest? Are you housing homeless people in your backyard, living room, or guest rooms? Surely you're making more money than them. If not, why not? Are you donating any money to homelessness charities? How much?
perfect blue Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, hugoflegend said: It is telling about a general lack of empathy towards the homeless that many think a 'clean sidewalk' is more important than a human life. Think, what caused this situation? The pandemic caused a spike in drug addiction, there has been price hikes across the board for necessities/groceries, jobs are paying too little to survive on, and people are being priced out of homes. All of this together leads to mental health struggles, which leads to more drug use to cope. Instead of pushing policies to help with any of the real systemic failures, they are pushing to criminalize. When these issues pile up and push people into homelessness, it is not their fault that the systems in place have failed them. These problems need to be solved, but legal persecution is not the way to do it. The US already has the highest incarceration rate of all countries in the world, and yet we still have so many issues. It seems "tough love' isn't working for this country so far. Mass legal punishment isn't a magic cure all. It is a brainless idea. You think fines (on people who have no money, so it's likely they will face jail time for being unable to pay), or the threat of jail/imprisonment is going to help make the streets safe? If rent and housing prices keep rising and there are no adjustments to protect the poor, logically there will be more and more homeless people regardless of what silly punishments policy makers tries to impose. It is not a solution, but a flimsy band-aid that will not even accomplish the 'clean public transit' that you supposedly value so highly. Real quick: what city and state do you live in? 🎤
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