Tm4074 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Rep2000 said: At least Sabrina doesn't need to change her race and acts like she's black for a crossover hit. What crossover hit does Sabrina have? She played only on pop radio, unlike Ariana. When rhythmic was the format that supported Ariana most during her debut era (The Way #2, Right There #8) and none of the singles even went top 10 on pop. She didn't need to do anything special for a crossover hit, they supported her since day 1. 1
HappierJealousy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Trent W said: This is about how many artists not how successful each clone was The reality is Taylor can't be in the same sentence as Britney, Bey, Lana or even Gaga in terms of Blueprint impact in the industry She's just a white girl that write personal songs, there were a plethora of them before her and there will always be, is the most basic archetype in female artists. She is not first write girl that write personal songs but she is the first one to become the biggest artist of the world simply rely on that. She is the most basic and the easiest to replicate, so all these record label are stupid not to push a Taylor Swift 2.0 (or they has tried multiple time but failed)? You think you're smart than them? Or you're simply living in your own reality? I don't know what makes you so arrogant, like you pretend that you know any details happened between Taylor and Olivia, or releasing a solo-written album, or changing genre multiple time, or write a Love Story sized of smash hit all by herself when she is 18 years old, is anything near the word "easy". Or When her opening act Sabrina officially talking about it and even Azalea Banks know she is managed to become next Taylor Swift you still here denied Taylor's influence on her like you know her more than herself, or people in the industry. As I have said, any pretty blonde girl can be shaped as Britney 2.0, and any black girl can be Beyoncé wannabe. And I never said Taylor has influenced more people than these artists you have mentioned, cause she is not, and this is not this thread is talking about either. Taylor is hard to copy, which makes her hard to be replaced, and this is the reason she is 35 but still on the top of the industry. Her first successful copycats immediately become the biggest artist of her generation, and then her opening act is smashing, this is what is discussed here, thank you Edited June 23 by HappierJealousy
Joyride Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Billie Eilish: Lana Del Rey, Avril Lavigne Chappell Roan: Katy Perry, Lady Gaga Dua Lipa: Kylie Minogue Olivia Rodrigo: Hayley Williams, Taylor Swift Tate McRae: Britney Spears Sabrina Carpenter: Katy Perry that's your list right there
PoisonedIvy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 5 hours ago, CocoPouf said: LANA DEL REY - was able to succeed in the indie sphere but did not have mainstream crossover appeal. My comment was referring to mainstream music. But yes Lana deserves joint credit with Taylor, together they created the lane that artists like Olivia Rodrigo, Phoebe Bridgers, Gracie Abrams, and the likes have begun to occupy.
bielneira Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Olivia said so many times how Lorde influence her to this day, and I'm reading y'all saying she's Hayley William's or Avril Lavigne's daughter LMAO Olivia and Gracie's debuts both were hugely influenced by Lorde, and they told that in interviews
Fitzswiftie Posted June 23 Posted June 23 4 hours ago, Trent W said: Olivia switched from Taylor to more Avril And now even more towards Sheryl Crow
Trent W Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 43 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said: She is not first write girl that write personal songs but she is the first one to become the biggest artist of the world simply rely on that. She is the most basic and the easiest to replicate, so all these record label are stupid not to push a Taylor Swift 2.0 (or they has tried multiple time but failed)? You think you're smart than them? Or you're simply living in your own reality? I don't know what makes you so arrogant, like you pretend that you know any details happened between Taylor and Olivia, or releasing a solo-written album, or changing genre multiple time, or write a Love Story sized of smash hit all by herself when she is 18 years old, is anything near the word "easy". Or When her opening act Sabrina officially talking about it and even Azalea Banks know she is managed to become next Taylor Swift you still here denied Taylor's influence on her like you know her more than herself, or people in the industry. As I have said, any pretty blonde girl can be shaped as Britney 2.0, and any black girl can be Beyoncé wannabe. And I never said Taylor has influenced more people than these artists you have mentioned, cause she is not, and this is not this thread is talking about either. Taylor is hard to copy, which makes her hard to be replaced, and this is the reason she is 35 but still on the top of the industry. Her first successful copycats immediately become the biggest artist of her generation, and then her opening act is smashing, this is what is discussed here, thank you Im gonna close the conversation because we are getting nowhere and Im starting to look like an OTH when Im more of a casual fan But honestly what I meant is that Taylor's impact/influence is a lot harder to track because her archetype is too basic. Most swifties need to put her on top of everything in every single area when she has so many weak spots. And also not every girl can be the other legends I mentioned they just tried to replicate them more because their blueprint was bigger. Edited June 23 by Trent W 1
georgechxng Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, cat1867 said: No shade to any of these girls but they have learned quickly that talking about being fans of taylor is the quickest way to get swifties onboard. helps if they are also publicly hanging out with taylor. that narrative works with grace and sabrina but it isn't realistic when it comes to olivia. yeah she was a fan but 99% of the swifties didn't know about her existence before drivers license and found out about her when the song was already a smash debuting in #1 everywhere across the globe. her fan base prior to the release of the song was small and pretty much made of the high school musical tv show fans so swifties had little to no impact in her rise to fame. now answering the op - i don't see sabrina having longevity (and her music doesn't really resembles taylor's), gracie is a non factor and olivia has arguably rebranded her image and has completely separated/distanced herself from taylor when it comes to influences so isn't really valid for her either. Edited June 23 by georgechxng
cat1867 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, georgechxng said: that narrative works with grace and sabrina but it isn't realistic when it comes to olivia. yeah she was a fan but 99% of the swifties didn't know about her existence before drivers license and found out about her when the song was already a smash debuting in #1 everywhere across the globe. her fan base prior to the release of the song was small and pretty much made of the high school musical tv show fans so swifties had little to no impact in her rise to fame. now answering the op - i don't see sabrina having longevity (and her music doesn't really resembles taylor's), gracie is a non factor and olivia has arguably rebranded her image and has completely separated/distanced herself from taylor when it comes to influences so isn't really valid for her either. swifties were important to rise and her fanbase is largely still swifties. like alot of her early fandom was built on her publicly being a swiftie and there was a reason she really played it up in her early press. swifties made up a large percentage of the fans that spread the buzz about driver's license and then rallied around her when it smashed. you can tell since her stream declines significantly when taylor releases and the reverse versa. we don't see the same pattern with other artists. now, olivia has grown far beyond being a taydaughter but it was important to her early career. no shame in it. taylor did the same with tim mcgraw even naming her first debut single after him. Edited June 23 by cat1867 1
georgechxng Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, cat1867 said: swifties were important to rise and her fanbase is largely still swifties. like alot of her early fandom was built on her publicly being a swiftie and there was a reason she really played it up in her early press. swifties made up a large percentage of the fans that spread the buzz about driver's license and then rallied around her when it smashed. that's a very manufactured take. swifties didn't have to spread the buzz about driver's license - the entire world was doing that. the song was beating all-time streaming records (that back then taylor herself hadn't still come close to reaching) by its 3rd day after the release - it was a once in a lifetime type of music event fueled mainly by the quality of the song and the drama surrounding the content of it. Edited June 23 by georgechxng
cat1867 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, georgechxng said: that's a very manufactured take. swifties didn't have to spread the buzz about driver's license - the entire world was doing that. the song was beating all-time streaming records (that back then taylor herself hadn't still come close to reaching) by its 3rd day after the release - it was a once in a lifetime type of music event fueled mainly by the quality of the song and the drama surrounding the content of it. it getting attention in the first place required people to be paying attention in the first place .and those were largely swifties because that was the group olivia had cultivated with her social media promotion prior to the release. the narrative, drama and song were also extremely important. but olivia centered being a swiftie in her early public persona for a reason. she is no idiot. good for her but there is a reason why she did it. and there is a reason why the press asked her so much about taylor. doesn't invalidate her own skills and talents but just shows good strategy to get attention in this oversaturated music market.
Communion Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rep2000 said: At least Sabrina doesn't need to change her race and acts like she's black for a crossover hit. Not the shrouded attempt at progressivism dropping its mask and revealing something oddly regressive. This was Ariana when she had the #2 song on Rhythmic radio. She didn't "crossover" - she started on rhythmic radio. She then snatched another 2nd Top 10 hit on the format looking like this: There's legitimate criticisms to make about Ariana's tanning as it progressed over the years but Yours Truly is literally an r&b album executive produced by Babyface. My god. Edited June 23 by Communion 1
burninredhot Posted June 23 Posted June 23 51 minutes ago, georgechxng said: olivia has arguably rebranded her image and has completely separated/distanced herself from taylor when it comes to influences so isn't really valid for her either. This take is so dumb. Just because she has multiple influences doesn't mean Taylor hasn't influenced her 1 1
Communion Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, HappierJealousy said: Carpenter named R&B as a genre that often influences her work.[144] She cited Christina Aguilera[138] and Rihanna as her biggest musical influences.[145] Carpenter stated that Aguilera's 2002 song "Beautiful" helped her "showcase and develop [her] own voice",[146]citing Aguilera's vocals as an inspiration.[147]She has also named Aretha Franklin,[148]Whitney Houston and Etta James as early musical influences,[149] and cited Taylor Swiftand Lorde as her songwriting influences.[150]She claimed that Swift's live performances and work ethic have inspired her.[124][122] It seems like this "everyone" here doesn't include Sabrina herself. Y'all let your random hatred of Ariana make you post nonsense. Sabrina has literally done Ariana cosplay for years. Singular II: Quote "Take Off All Your Cool" is a "laid back song" which contains pop and electropop vibes.[16][28] Carpenter described the song as "cheeky" while Affinity writer Tatiana Brown noted that the song looks at "the awkwardness of a relationship".[28] This is followed by "Tell Em", which is a synth-pop song with R&B elements.[17] Carpenter's vocals received comparisons to Ariana Grande while she sings about not owing anyone an explanation for what one does.[16] Singular I: Quote The album closes with "Diamonds Are Forever", ending "the album in the most empowering way possible".[20] Carpenter was described as a "soaring diva" and sings about knowing her self-worth never selling yourself short.[20][24] The Line of Best Fit called the song a "theatrical belter" and compared it to Ariana Grande's song, "Dangerous Woman".[19][23] She was getting compared to Ariana before 95% of people now hyping her up literally even knew she made music. Y'all weren't listening to Almost Love back in the day! Y'all don't know that old head ****! I By all means, point out that Sabrina dropped the Ariana influence years ago, but then such also requires acknowledging that Sabrina's biggest musical influence - before anyone else - is her co-writer Julia Michaels of all people, with literal entire sets of the emails album sounding like Julia demos (Espresso & PPP improve on this criticism!). Edited June 23 by Communion 3
LostInStereo100 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Love Taylor and Love Chappell, But I even hear Taylor influence in Chappells last album last year. My Kink is Karma sounds so much like Taylor Swift (in a good way) Chappel is really coming hard the next few weeks
georgechxng Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LostInStereo100 said: Love Taylor and Love Chappell, But I even hear Taylor influence in Chappells last album last year. My Kink is Karma sounds so much like Taylor Swift (in a good way) Chappel is really coming hard the next few weeks chappell doesn't sound anything like taylor - in nothing tbh. that feels almost offensive considering how queer her music actually is. also hard disagree on my kink is karma being taylor-coded… chappell literally emulate/fakes an orgasm at the bridge of that song, LOL. Edited June 23 by georgechxng 1
RoseBud Posted June 23 Posted June 23 20 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: like shes smashing Gracie doing so well here isn't a surprise since her closeness with Taylor is also why Sabrina is doing so well. Without Taylor neither of them would even be on the radar....
Digitalism Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Gracie is never happening And Sabrina's music or image is nothing like Taylor's. That's like saying Selena Gomez is Taylor daughter because she is a friend.
elincomprendid Posted June 24 Posted June 24 On 6/22/2024 at 7:32 PM, Papi Juancho said: Congratulations on that strong US debut (ONE COUNTRY), we know you love barking about LOCAL success, but could the girl debut +30k outside of her country or is this another pre-pop Tayla situation? https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/gracie-abrams-the-secret-of-us-number-1-albums-update/ what were you saying?
Kill Me Posted June 24 Posted June 24 On 6/23/2024 at 4:02 AM, Papi Juancho said: Congratulations on that strong US debut (ONE COUNTRY), we know you love barking about LOCAL success, but could the girl debut +30k outside of her country or is this another pre-pop Tayla situation? I'm sure the duas, bebes and zaras of the world are very global in their own way without a single #1 in the biggest market of the world...
Papi Juancho Posted June 24 Posted June 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Miss Americana said: I'm sure the duas, bebes and zaras of the world are very global in their own way without a single #1 in the biggest market of the world... I think Dua can sleep without a #1 in one in a country, while she can sell out arenas or bigger venues in Asia, North and South America, Europe and AS/NZ. The Gracies of the world, apart from not having a #1 in that country, can't even sell a bar outside the USA. That's why they are opening acts. but hey congrats. Edited June 24 by Papi Juancho
Movimento Perpétuo Posted June 24 Posted June 24 yikes. The future of pop music/scene is truly doomed 1
Papi Juancho Posted June 24 Posted June 24 3 hours ago, elincomprendid said: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/gracie-abrams-the-secret-of-us-number-1-albums-update/ what were you saying? She still needs 15K to reach that 30K outside of her country that I said
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