base talk Taydaughters are making up the majority of new Gen-Z pop girls. Why?

[Gaia]

12 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

Sabrina has always been Ariana's daughter (in terms of music styles and aesthetic). Just because she opened for Taylor doesn't mean she's her "daughter".

 

Madison Beer is also heavily inspired by Ariana. Billie adores her

This is what's hilarious to me. Everyone considers Ariana to be Sabrina's biggest influence except delusional Swifties

[OrgVisual]

Also Dua and Chappell are certified Katycats, can we classify them as Katy's daughters too?

[Cheers]

What do you mean why? They just want to cash in on swifties 

[Papi Juancho]

56 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

 

Dua - Radical Optimism : 83k (51k pure)

Charli - 77k

 

 

The streams and sales are enough to out debut certain faceless popstars and their 17 versions of the album so I would say she's doing more than good with her last album debuting out of top 50 and her not charting a single song on Global Spotify before the tour.

Congratulations on that strong US debut (ONE COUNTRY), we know you love barking about LOCAL success, but could the girl debut +30k outside of her country or is this another pre-pop Tayla situation?

 

[Sazare]

I think female artists are required by their management teams to profess love for taylor regardless of their actual views, just because of how rabid and cultlike taylor's fanbase is. If you're an artist trying to court the white woman demo, you can't risk alienating the most militant and rank-and-file among them.

 

Remember what happened to Keri Hilson after she came for Beyoncé?

[HappierJealousy]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

This is what's hilarious to me. Everyone considers Ariana to be Sabrina's biggest influence except delusional Swifties

Carpenter named R&B as a genre that often influences her work.[144] She cited Christina Aguilera[138] and Rihanna as her biggest musical influences.[145] Carpenter stated that Aguilera's 2002 song "Beautiful" helped her "showcase and develop [her] own voice",[146]citing Aguilera's vocals as an inspiration.[147]She has also named Aretha Franklin,[148]Whitney Houston and Etta James as early musical influences,[149] and cited Taylor Swiftand Lorde as her songwriting influences.[150]She claimed that Swift's live performances and work ethic have inspired her.[124][122]

 

It seems like this "everyone" here doesn't include Sabrina herself. 

Edited Saturday at 11:39 PM by HappierJealousy

[elincomprendid]

1 hour ago, Trent W said:

It's a lame attempt from a sector of the fanbase to inflate Taylor's impact in the young girls.

 

Taylor is massive but in the influence department she's weaker than all the older pop girls.

 

Olivia was the only one out of the bigger younger acts that was really Taylor's clone when she debuted but she has distanced herself as much as possible after SOUR and Taylor's rights were claimed on Deja VU.

 

Billie is influenced by Lana and Avril

Tate by Britney

Sabrina by Ariana Grande

Olivia switched from Taylor to more Avril.

 

 

 

 

Taylor literally gave Jack a carrer which is the producer which will give Sabrina her first #1 
No one even mentioned Tate or Billie
Whatever Olivia did musically no one will forget how she was a full swfite, even until SOUR she literally even had "swiftie" in her Spotify description

You can crry all you want but her legacy is up an running.

[OrgVisual]

2 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Carpenter named R&B as a genre that often influences her work.[144] She cited Christina Aguilera[138] and Rihanna as her biggest musical influences.[145] Carpenter stated that Aguilera's 2002 song "Beautiful" helped her "showcase and develop [her] own voice",[146]citing Aguilera's vocals as an inspiration.[147]She has also named Aretha Franklin,[148]Whitney Houston and Etta James as early musical influences,[149] and cited Taylor Swiftand Lorde as her songwriting influences.[150]She claimed that Swift's live performances and work ethic have inspired her.[124][122]

 

It seems like this "everyone" here doesn't include Sabrina herself. 

The same way Ava Max has never cited Gaga as her influence

 

[Rep2000]

4 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

The same way Ava Max has never cited Gaga as her influence

 

At least Sabrina doesn't need to change her race and acts like she's black for a crossover hit.

[Colmillo]

Gracie Abrams is NOT a MPG  Olivia don't even acknowledges Taylor anymore, and Sabrina, as many said, is closer to be Ariana's daughter.

[HappierJealousy]

1 hour ago, Trent W said:

It's a lame attempt from a sector of the fanbase to inflate Taylor's impact in the young girls.

 

Taylor is massive but in the influence department she's weaker than all the older pop girls.

 

Olivia was the only one out of the bigger younger acts that was really Taylor's clone when she debuted but she has distanced herself as much as possible after SOUR and Taylor's rights were claimed on Deja VU.

 

Billie is influenced by Lana and Avril

Tate by Britney

Sabrina by Ariana Grande

Olivia switched from Taylor to more Avril.

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Burn said:

What is this "Taydaughters" thing? Sorry but Taylor does not have sons in the industry.

If you can rewrite the history and pretend that the first three months of Olivia's career is not a full-time swiftie then probably yes. And Sabrina is Taylor's opening act, best friend, using her producer and admitting her influence on her songwriting multiple time. But whatever makes you feel happy I guess  

[Trent W]

2 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

 

If you can rewrite the history and pretend that the first three months of Olivia's career is not a full-time swiftie then probably yes. And Sabrina is Taylor's opening act, best friend, using her producer and admitting her influence on her songwriting multiple time. But whatever makes you feel happy I guess  

Olivia was a swiftie publicly for like 2 months because Taylor instead of embracing her bullied her into giving her royalties. 
 

Literally the only female from Gen Z who she influenced

 

Also idk why Jack is a mention here, every producer who works with any major artist gets to work with other newer acts

 

Jack getting more work is not impact  

[AndThenTheCocaine]

Ah, my impactless fave! 

 

But seriously though, since according to ATRL Taylor only has white teenage girls as fans idk why we're surprised that many of the new crop of MPGs are Taylor fans.

[HappierJealousy]

9 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Olivia was a swiftie publicly for like 2 months because Taylor instead of embracing her bullied her into giving her royalties. 
 

Literally the only female from Gen Z who she influenced

 

Also idk why Jack is a mention here, every producer who works with any major artist gets to work with other newer acts

 

Jack getting more work is not impact  

Yeah so because Taylor and Olivia has beef then Taylor's influence on her suddenly disappears, just like Ed Sheeran will still work with Aaron Dessner if Taylor didn't discover with her first. 
 

Sabrina herself admit Taylor's influence multiple time and apparently you know her more than herself 

Edited Sunday at 12:05 AM by HappierJealousy

[Doctor Dick]

Olivia is the only one who could be called a "Taydaughter" but the rest aren't. 

 

From the new mpgs to the upcoming ones, it's Olivia (Taylor), Sabrina (Ariana), Billie (Avril) and Chappell Roan (Gaga). 

[Trent W]

5 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Yeah so because Taylor and Olivia has beef then Taylor's influence on her suddenly disappears, just like Ed Sheeran will still work with Aaron Dessner if Taylor didn't discover with her first. 
 

Sabrina herself admit Taylor's influence multiple time and apparently you know her more than herself 

One pop younger pop girl that was a clone then run away for bullying is not something to brag about

 

It was criminal that she bullied her

 

Also even Gaga had more impact in the younger acts for example with multiple clones instead only one(bullied)

[HappierJealousy]

3 minutes ago, Trent W said:

One pop younger pop girl that was a clone then run away for bullying is not something to brag about

 

It was criminal that she bullied her

 

Also even Gaga had more impact in the younger acts for example with multiple clones instead only one(bullied)

And once again, it seems like you know everything about what happened between Taylor and Olivia. Where is Gaga's multiple clones? I mean please mention the name who has at least one platinum album otherwise you can keep it 

Edited Sunday at 12:17 AM by HappierJealousy

[Trent W]

7 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

And once again, it seems like you know everything about what happened between Taylor and Olivia. Where is Gaga's multiple clones? I mean please mention the name who has at least one platinum album otherwise you can keep it 

Gaga had the entire industry dressed like her in 2009-2011, even major acts like Katy and Nicki were dressing up like her

 

Im not Gaga's biggest fan but she had an insane impact that Taylor has never seen in any point of her career

 

And everyone knows Olivia has distanced herself as much as possible from Taylor since she doesn't even want people bringing her up in her interviews  

[HappierJealousy]

25 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Gaga had the entire industry dressed like her in 2009-2011, even major acts like Katy and Nicki were dressing up like her

 

Im not Gaga's biggest fan but she had an insane impact that Taylor has never seen in any point of her career

Taylor becomes the first entertainer to win the Time's POTY, the eras tour become the biggest musical event of the century. If you rather choose the dresses as the example of influencer then I would not even bother argue with you (which is a false narrative at the very first, cause not the entire industry is dressed like Gaga)  And what's the relationship between Gaga and this thread? 

25 minutes ago, Trent W said:

And everyone knows Olivia has distanced herself as much as possible from Taylor since she doesn't even want people bringing her up in her interviews  

And everyone knows Taylor has distanced herself as much as possible from Olivia, too. According to your logic this shows Olivia must have done something wrong to Taylor  

Edited Sunday at 12:54 AM by HappierJealousy

[Trent W]

4 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Taylor becomes the first entertainer to win the Time's POTY, the eras tour become the biggest musical event of the century. If you rather choose the dresses as the example of influencer then I would not even bother argue with you (which is a false narrative at the very first, cause not the entire industry is dressed like Gaga)  

 

That's not impact/influence. 

 

Taylor's success is immense and even as a casual fan I've contributed to that. She is in fact the most successful female act this century no question.

 

But she is really not the blueprint of a generation in the sense like Beyonce, Britney and even Gaga for a short period were. We are talking about being the mold.

 

There are no new or old artists molded after her, and considering she's pretty easy to replicate.

 

It's one of her weak points in her legacy, but that doesn't undermine it.

 

Even Lana del Rey is more impactful than her in that area.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:56 AM by Trent W

[HappierJealousy]

22 minutes ago, Trent W said:

That's not impact/influence. 

 

Taylor's success is immense and even as a casual fan I've contributed to that. She is in fact the most successful female act this century no question.

 

But she is really not the blueprint of a generation in the sense like Beyonce, Britney and even Gaga for a short period were. We are talking about being the mold.

 

There are no new or old artists molded after her, and considering she's pretty easy to replicate.

 

It's one of her weak points in her legacy, but that doesn't undermine it.

 

Even Lana del Rey is more impactful than her in that area.

 

 

Of course she is not. Taylor's entire image is a singer-songwriter who write majority part of her own songs, which mean you need to at least has some talented to become the new Taylor Swift. Taylor has multiple solo-written songs on her debut album and you think this is something easy to replicate?  Do you know how many solo-written song that other "talented singer-songwriters" like Lana, Adele or Gaga has? 
On the other hand, any blonde girls is considered has the Britney copycats in 2000s, and if you wear strange clothes and wigs, you are influenced by Lady Gaga, this is the definition of "easy to replicate" And in the end none of these people are as successful as Olivia, which was labeled and promoted as the biggest swiftie and Taylor 2.0 even before her debut. The inherited relationship here is 10x more obvious and strong than any Gaga or Britney's copycat. Yes, they have beef and now they both avoid each other. But those interviews and Olivia's cover of Taylor's songs are still there. Gaga have beef with Madonna so she wasn't influenced by Madonna? Taylor's blueprint was on her and will be there forever. 

Edited Sunday at 01:19 AM by HappierJealousy

[Onyxmage]

Sabrina was making music years before she opened for Taylor.  

[Relampago.]

Doja, Tyla, Tate, Dua, Chappell, Billie… 

 

Sabrina and Olivia arguments are very debatable too… Nepobaby Gracie notwithstanding. 

[DRod93]

 

A better Taydaughter than Gracie Abrams

[Trent W]

36 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Of course she is not. Taylor's entire image is a singer-songwriter who write majority part of her own songs, which mean you need to at least has some talented to become the new Taylor Swift. Taylor has multiple solo-written songs on her debut album and you think this is something easy to replicate?  Do you know how many solo-written song that other "talented singer-songwriters" like Lana, Adele or Gaga has? 
On the other hand, any blonde girls is considered has the Britney copycats in 2000s, and if you wear strange clothes and wigs, you are influenced by Lady Gaga, this is the definition of "easy to replicate" And in the end none of these people are as successful as Olivia, which was labeled and promoted as the biggest swiftie and Taylor 2.0 even before her debut. The inherited relationship here is 10x more obvious and strong than any Gaga or Britney's copycat. Yes, they have beef and now they both avoid each other. But those interviews and Olivia's cover of Taylor's songs are still there. Gaga have beef with Madonna so she wasn't influenced by Madonna? Taylor's blueprint was on her and will be there forever. 

This is about how many artists not how successful each clone was

 

The reality is Taylor can't be in the same sentence as Britney, Bey, Lana or even Gaga in terms of Blueprint impact in the industry 

 

She's just a white girl that write personal songs, there were a plethora of them before her and there will always be, is the most basic archetype in female artists.