Virgos Groove Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) For example, I feel like Ciara wasted quite a few years trying to break into pop (Fantasy Ride, Jackie) when the R&B/hip hop market was always there for her (Ride, Body Party). On the other hand, I think Janet should've pivoted to the European and Asian markets after the 2004 blacklist. We were still there for her and could've kept her career afloat for a few more years. Reconquering the US, on the other hand, was always going to be an uphill battle. Her core audience still supported her, but without radio play, it was never gonna happen. Why wasn't she promoting Feedback and Rock with U in every TV show in Europe??? Also, Iggy is kinda the prime example of this. She was a Pitbull/Flo Rida-style rapper at best, but she somehow convinced herself she was the reincarnation of Tupac. And we all know what hapenned next, don't we... Edited June 21 by Virgos Groove 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 The label's fault not hers, but Tinashe post-Aquarius until 2019ish. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popmusicisdead Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Rihanna with Fenty. it's near impossible to break into the luxury market. idk what she and LVMH were thinking Spoiler 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The7thStranger Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 19 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: On the other hand, I think Janet should've pivoted to the European and Asian markets after the 2004 blacklist. I have been screaming this for years. Madonna did something very similar after the backlash to the Sex book. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanicSurvivor Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) Jelena Karleusa should have worked for America. Serbia is too much of a past-century country for her experimental music when people here are listening only to lepa brena and ceca Edited June 21 by TitanicSurvivor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 8 minutes ago, The7thStranger said: I have been screaming this for years. Madonna did something very similar after the backlash to the Sex book. Yup. We needed an album full of Together Agains and Feedbacks, not 20YO. America is obviously an important market to conquer if you want to be "part of pop culture", so to speak, but when they drop an artist, they drop them for good. Europe, on the other hand, is less ageist and tends to stick with them for quite a while (see: Tina, MJ after the accusations, Madonna after AL). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jump Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) Kelly Rowland should have focused on cultivating a niche gay fan base with the dance bops. Although in hindsight this was not obvious as she smashed with Motivation and RnB seems to be her real passion. Edited June 21 by Jump 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaloSanto Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Kylie trying to break into the US comes to mind ngl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 16 minutes ago, Jump said: Kelly Rowland should have focused on cultivating a niche gay fan base with the dance bops. Although in hindsight this was not obvious as she smashed with Motivation and RnB seems to be her real passion. Kelly didn't even need to go after the gays, she was scoring hit after hit in Europe, especially in the UK. She should've focused her efforts on there - she was on the X Factor at its peak which was a high profile gig - and aimed for a crossover hit or two if she was that desperate for success in the US 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuresuperstar2023 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Kelly Rowland could have been like a Donna Summers. I get she loves R&B but the UK was where it was at. The hits were there so I don't get why she didn't embrace it fully 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldwide angel Posted Friday at 06:49 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:49 PM tinashe not taking advantage of the ' KPOP MOTHER ' role and pivoting expanding her fanbase to the Asian continent nasty could have been a viral smash here AND a Circle topping sensation in Korea, with a MAMAs award performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Posted Friday at 07:02 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:02 PM Chloe. Should've gone the experimental R&B route. She would shine more there. Trying to fit in with contemporary R&B radio waters down things that make her great. Most commercial female rappers rn have no musical identity so I'm going to throw them all in too. They're all so musically far and away from what most rap listeners actually wanna hear, hence why their singles do nothing but flip flop down the charts. Who is the music for? Bryson Tiller stands out more as a rapper than he does as an R&B artist and always has. Whatever She Wants should've been the sound of the album, it would've been a smash. He was riding Detroit Trap beats better than some Detroit rappers. @Armani? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzswiftie Posted Friday at 07:07 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:07 PM Chloe Bailey as soloist seems determined to go after an audience of the worst kind of Breakfast Club listening men instead of the women whom raised CxH into the superstars they are. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Fox Posted Friday at 07:11 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:11 PM Camila Cabello has always pandered the wrong market. She isn't that appealing to the Latino community and she's not appealing the PC Music poppers and Miami ghetto gays she's trying to catch on her new record. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted Friday at 07:11 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 07:11 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, Fitzswiftie said: Chloe Bailey as soloist seems determined to go after an audience of the worst kind of Breakfast Club listening men instead of the women whom raised CxH into the superstars they are. This is how I felt when she worked with Chris Brown. Chloe's audience doesn't like Chris, Chris' audience doesn't like Chloe. Who is the song for exactly? 1 hour ago, Jump said: Kelly Rowland should have focused on cultivating a niche gay fan base with the dance bops. Although in hindsight this was not obvious as she smashed with Motivation and RnB seems to be her real passion. Omg, yes. It's a shame she abandoned the EDM sound, because had she waited just a bit more, she would've been able to ride that Disclosure/Rudimental/Clean Bandit wave of the mid-10s. Imagine her Latch. But her heart was never in it... Edited Friday at 07:14 PM by Virgos Groove 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyCat Posted Friday at 07:13 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:13 PM I think a few artists could've chosen a different path, but if it's not what they want, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itshyolee Posted Friday at 07:21 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:21 PM 12 minutes ago, Wicked said: Most commercial female rappers rn have no musical identity so I'm going to throw them all in too. THIS. They all have the same aesthetic, same sound, and pretty much rap about the same topics. There's nothing unique about the current crop of female rappers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuntmonster Posted Friday at 07:25 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:25 PM 2 hours ago, suburbannature said: The label's fault not hers, but Tinashe post-Aquarius until 2019ish. I came here to say this. I feel so bad for her she was so mismanaged by her label 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papi Juancho Posted Friday at 07:27 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:27 PM Post Malone and Halsey aimed for a bigger audience once they became mainstream. They changed their sound to be more appealing to the gp, causing their fanbase, which was used to a different type of sound... vanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papi Juancho Posted Friday at 07:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:38 PM In another case... Normani and Chloe feel like they jumped into R&B and Urban music too soon, adopting a mini-Beyoncé/diva image instead of trying to expand their appeal to the gp with more generic pop songs or collaborating with mainstream artists. It's not too late yet, SZA managed to do it. She made generic music with Doja, Calvin, and others, and expanded her audience even in her 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvadaKedavra Posted Friday at 07:41 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:41 PM (edited) Shakira been overly obssesed with Showin her Rock side to the Anglo World in all her english records but i think that was a big mistake Cause they just dont give a damn about her rock. Even with big feats like "Cant Remember To Forget You" she ***up instead of giving us a hot urban dance track with Rihanna........She gave us Rock-Reggae and everyone was dissapointed Would have been better more World Music-Arabic-Latin Flavored English Bangerz,Disco,Dancehall and R&B Urban Anthems. I think Shakira would be more successful in the Anglo World with this type of music Sadly it took her like 2 records to make this type of music with She Wolf album...too late. There was already a lack of a loyal english fanbase Laundry Service and Oral Fixation Vol 2 were rock records and they were saved By Whenever Wherever-Hips Dont Lie This is the direction i wanted for Shaki Edited Friday at 07:42 PM by AvadaKedavra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glitch Posted Friday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:13 PM Zara Larsson's label focusing on the US when she only had one hit there. Ruin My Life was a hit in Europe and Don't Worry Bout Me was showing signs of taking off in the UK and her label did nothing with it. Ruin My Life's performance should've been enough to greenlight her album, but they kept throwing things at the wall seemingly because she wasn't making noise in the US. I wish Dua would abandon the US too 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armani? Posted Friday at 08:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:38 PM 1 hour ago, Wicked said: Bryson Tiller stands out more as a rapper than he does as an R&B artist and always has. Whatever She Wants should've been the sound of the album, it would've been a smash. He was riding Detroit Trap beats better than some Detroit rappers. @Armani? A entire rap album by Bryson Tiller would be a fun departure and would probably do ok commercially tbh. But he's kind of a Jack of all trades so I don't if he'd drop a rap album that would like he acclaimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted Friday at 08:44 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:44 PM Shakira should stop those Pique songs now because her Spanish audience is not here for it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted Friday at 09:00 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:00 PM Natasha Bedingfield comes to mind. After the success of These Words and Unwritten in the US she basically abandoned the UK despite releasing the N.B. album there much earlier (i.e. by not releasing Pocketful of Sunshine in the UK). She shouldn't have forgotten her homeland, her career ultimately got derailed because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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