poll How would you rate Beyoncé's level of talent?

[KingJay]

Fair

[Jay07]

1 minute ago, Pop Fan said:

Never said that. I just compared the female AOTY winners to Beyoncé and why they won over her. The Academy as a whole don't respect her to that degree...she's only respected in r&b/hip-hop genres and her albums only win in genre categories.

Are you implying R&B/hip hop categories are somehow lesser than?

 

Interesting but not surprising from a Swiftie.

[Rino]

if we sent Beyonce as our representative for intergalactic talent competition, Earth would have pretty good chances to win 

[Pop Fan]

4 minutes ago, toxicgenie said:

Who has tried?

It's very expensive and not cost-effective to make an album this way. The only artist with the privilege of making an album like this is Beyonce because Jay-Z has been supporting her career since she was a teenager. That's why she could make MVs for so many songs in her early albums while her peers had to settle for a few. 

Most artists work with smaller teams and contribute more to the artistry because they don't have the privilege of outsourcing their work.

THIS

[Jay07]

4 minutes ago, toxicgenie said:

Who has tried?

It's very expensive and not cost-effective to make an album this way. The only artist with the privilege of making an album like this is Beyonce because Jay-Z has been supporting her career since she was a teenager. That's why she could make MVs for so many songs in her early albums while her peers had to settle for a few. 

Most artists work with smaller teams and contribute more to the artistry because they don't have the privilege of outsourcing their work.

Are you saying no one else in the industry uses writing camps? 

 

Some interesting opinions here today.

[Pop Fan]

4 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Are you implying R&B/hip hop categories are somehow lesser than?

 

Interesting but not surprising from a Swiftie.

No, I just said that she's not respected that much outside of her genre and among songwriters and that's why she never wins AOTY

[Pop Fan]

3 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Are you saying no one else in the industry uses writing camps? 

 

Some interesting opinions here today.

Real musicians don't

[Weld_E]

1 hour ago, toxicgenie said:

She's above average but the history of cheating takes some points off, so a 5 for average. 

I guess that brings Ariana down to 0 then.

[Jay07]

3 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

No, I just said that she's not respected that much outside of her genre and among songwriters and that's why she never wins AOTY

So why are Black artists siloed off to the R&B/hip hop genres and never good enough for AOTY? You realize Drake and The Weeknd have stopped submitting their work for this reason. A Black female hasn't won AOTY in 25 years. I guess Black people are never good enough for the Academy for some reason.

[Mordecai]

Beyonce is a 10, she alongside Christina are the best vocalists of their generation without question, not to mention she's one hell of a performer. I'm only a casual fan and haven't really been into her music post-4 but she's released fantastic songs over the years too

 

People might knock her for her (lack of) songwriting skills but I don't care much about lyrics and Whitney is one of the GOATs and rarely wrote her music too

 

The only thing I would say is that her fans hype her so much to the point where she comes across as overrated because they hype her up as some untouchable goddess

[Weld_E]

People throwing AOTY to diminish Beyonce's TALENT when the last two AOTY winners are MIDnights and Harrys House. Do you genuinely believe those were the best albums of their respective years? Like bffr.

[Jay07]

1 minute ago, Weld_E said:

People throwing AOTY to diminish Beyonce's TALENT when the last two AOTY winners are MIDnights and Harrys House. Do you genuinely believe those were the best albums of their respective years? Like bffr.

It's funny that she's apparently good enough to be nominated but not win.

[Weld_E]

3 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

So why are Black artists siloed off to the R&B/hip hop genres and never good enough for AOTY? You realize Drake and The Weeknd have stopped submitting their work for this reason. A Black female hasn't won AOTY in 25 years. I guess Black people are never good enough for the Academy for some reason.

SOS was right there last year and marks every check box that Swifties claim are necessary to win, yet still lost…

[Jay07]

Just now, Weld_E said:

SOS was right there last year and marks every check box that Swifties claim are necessary to win, yet still lost…

It's always hilarious to see people try to weaponize the Academy's inherent bias against Black artists against Beyonce. Of course Swift fans refuse to acknowledge her priviledge.

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, toxicgenie said:

Who has tried?

It's very expensive and not cost-effective to make an album this way. The only artist with the privilege of making an album like this is Beyonce because Jay-Z has been supporting her career since she was a teenager. That's why she could make MVs for so many songs in her early albums while her peers had to settle for a few. 

Most artists work with smaller teams and contribute more to the artistry because they don't have the privilege of outsourcing their work.

And which part of this means Beyonce has less talent? The question wasn't "who is the most privileged and can pay for collaborators" it was: what would you rate Beyoncé's talent? 

 

And second: Rihanna comes to mind. Literally my favorite artist of all time but she works with a ton of people and didn't contribute much for most of her career. And her albums generally aren't seen as masterpieces besides Anti and MAYBE Rated R if we're being generous. 
 

It's also not as if Beyonce was born Beyonce and just had collaborations handed to her.. she also had to work for it from a very young age. It's just very strange to me that someone could be the only connecting factor in so many great albums and deliver quality art and performances like no other artist and still be questioned for her level of talent and artistry. 
 

If you gave any pop girl the same team that worked on ST, Lemonade, Renaissance, CC, etc I guarantee you would get nowhere near the level of quality those albums came out to be. It does take talent to curate and work with a team anyways, being a visionary and knowing how to execute is a part of being an artist. 

[Pop Fan]

36 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

And which part of this means Beyonce has less talent? The question wasn't "who is the most privileged and can pay for collaborators" it was: what would you rate Beyoncé's talent? 

 

And second: Rihanna comes to mind. Literally my favorite artist of all time but she works with a ton of people and didn't contribute much for most of her career. And her albums generally aren't seen as masterpieces besides Anti and MAYBE Rated R if we're being generous. 
 

It's also not as if Beyonce was born Beyonce and just had collaborations handed to her.. she also had to work for it from a very young age. It's just very strange to me that someone could be the only connecting factor in so many great albums and deliver quality art and performances like no other artist and still be questioned for her level of talent and artistry. 
 

If you gave any pop girl the same team that worked on ST, Lemonade, Renaissance, CC, etc I guarantee you would get nowhere near the level of quality those albums came out to be. It does take talent to curate and work with a team anyways, being a visionary and knowing how to execute is a part of being an artist. 

Excuses...I raised valid points why a lot of people don't respect her as an artisr...Beyonce shouldn't be compared to real musicians who write their music, it's disrespectful. Songwriting and creating your music will always matter and have a huge value when it comes to the industry respect and artistic integrity and credibilty

[Weld_E]

6 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

Excuses...I raised valid points why a lot of people don't respect her as an artisr...Beyonce shouldn't be compared to real musicians who write their music, it's disrespectful. Songwriting and creating your music will always matter and have a huge value when it comes to the industry respect and artistic integrity and credibilty

Who are the real musicians?

[Jay07]

7 minutes ago, Pop Fan said:

Excuses...I raised valid points why a lot of people don't respect her as an artisr...Beyonce shouldn't be compared to real musicians who write their music, it's disrespectful. Songwriting and creating your music will always matter and have a huge value when it comes to the industry respect and artistic integrity and credibilty

Who made you arbiter of what musicianship and artistry is? Who are these mythical popstars that write all their own words and music alone other than Taylor Swift? If a shitty album is self- written is it somehow batter than a masterpiece made by many people?

 

Your points are not valid, they are in fact biased and completely crumble under the tiny bit of scrutiny. Just because you hate Beyonce  and have decided her music has no merit unless she writes it completely alone doesn't make it true as evidenced by her last four projects all being over 90 on metacritic. Some of the most amazing music in history wasn't written by the singer at all, what bullshit is that.

 

Beyonce is arguably THE most respected and admired person working in the music industry and she has crafted deeply personal and affecting bodies of work for a decade now. A jealous troll on ATRL imposing artificial goalposts on the amount of people that are allowed to be involved in the making of a song doesn't change that. 

[Pinkbutterflies]

2 hours ago, Weld_E said:

People throwing AOTY to diminish Beyonce's TALENT when the last two AOTY winners are MIDnights and Harrys House. Do you genuinely believe those were the best albums of their respective years? Like bffr.

They are definitely better than anything Beyonce has released except for maybe ST. Harrys singles smashed on a level Beyonce has never seen even at her peak. Likewise, Midnights was created by an actual musician who did not have 200 writers and then tried to lie to people in their face that she wrote the album. 

[ericcartman]

Singing: 8

Performing: 10

Composing: 4? She doesn't write complete songs but is able to piece together parts and ads to it, that itself is a talent

[Taemira]

4

[JoeAg]

a solid 8 for sure 

 

perfect pitch singing (seriously… does she have perfect pitch?? if she doesn't, she could've fooled me for the rest of my life! that's how good she is ), dancing capabilities at an MJ or JJ at their respective best-level, and just stage presence out the wazoo

 

8 is a fantastic score, HIGH above average! will I say that she's necessarily at the talent level of some people I've been around in orchestras I've been a member of? no, not NECESSARILY. but, her wide-range of other talents places her at a high level of talent that most people could only dream of 

 

and before anyone comes at me, I just want to emphasize that this is not only subjective but takes in an aggregate of potential talent. I would place someone like Kate Bush at 10, someone like Nina Simone at 10, someone like Tori Amos who I don't even listen to that much at 10, someone like St. Vincent at 9, someone like Prince at 9, someone like Bowie at 8.5, someone like MJ and Madonna and Tina Turner all at 8 alongside Bey…  anything above a 7.5 on my scale would amount to legend status with EASE. I'd put a lot of mainstream popstars in the 5.5-7 range tbh, Bey is clearly above that 

 

so, Bey is an insane superhuman talent, and an 8 from me is beyond good 

[JoeAg]

I think I'd also put Karen Carpenter around Bey's level, around an 8 as well tbh. idk why she came to mind but in terms of pure talent her and Bey have a lot in common I feel 

[JoeAg]

but to cap off my rant I'll just reiterate that talent comes in so many forms. I'm proud of the musical talents I was lucky enough to natural have and sometimes gain over time! have I, as a musician, been intimidated by the talents of others' at times? you bet your ass I have. but you work with what you got. Bey gives me the feeling that she was naturally gifted in a way a lot of people aren't, where it potentially came a bit earlier. hell, I couldn't sing well until I was a late teenager, but I could play bass well when I was younger. it's all a mix of environmental, inherited, and innate elements! 

[BryceG]

On a scale of Dolly Parton (10) to Girl On Couch (1), I'd say a solid 8.