celeb news Caitlyn Jenner: "I am a male - not a woman. Chromosomes don't lie."

[Apolonio ₃₄]

New ATRL emote when? 
 

[Riverbank]

[Leptine]

She's trying to act edgy but those replies are not the flex she thinks they are, she could have used her story and popularity in a better and more supportive way for the trans community all these years instead, sad.

[Raver]

Wooowwww

[magazine]

I'm confused 

[hallucinate]

you're a MURDERER first and foremust

[x æ a-xii]

Kardashian trash, we been knew but you lot are still stuck in that gender stuff so you can't say anything to that piece of **** or else you get canceled lol. Don't you see that **** only wants attention ffs

[Bloo]

7 hours ago, dinorhino said:

I understand she's said problematic things about other trans people and whatnot but just viewing this in isolation, what's the issue with her saying that she's male? Because she's right.

She's a woman but she's still AMAB.

She literally said she’s not a woman right afterwards. That’s the problem. Most people associate being male with being a man, so her saying “I’m a male and not a woman” is basically going to be interpreted as, “I am a man.”

[SinnerCity]

6 hours ago, Mr_campbell said:

She is allowed opinions. 

The **** she's not.

[Patient Zero]

Try becoming a human first, self-hating monster.

[Hurem]

Just to get this right... if Caitlyn doesn't identify as a woman, then he's a crossdresser, correct?

[PrettyHurts]

I really cannot stand self hating conservative queer people. I wish they would just go be straight/detransition instead of claiming to be a part of our community one day then throwing us under the bus the next

[Mastamaind]

8 hours ago, DiabeticGrandpa said:

At this point, should we still be referring to Caitlyn as she/ her?

I think "it" would be appropriate.

[XVIIII]

2 hours ago, Click Clack said:

 

I got my red dress on tonight. Cruisin' down the coast, doing bout 99.

[JoeAg]

you know I'm just thinking to myself, as a cis guy who has a majority of trans and gnc friends, I know how much this reads as self-hatred. f*ck, I mean, my best friend in the world is a trans man and he'd NEVER in a billion years say anything about himself not being a man. I wouldn't either, he's the coolest person I know and he's so sure of himself, which inspires me a lot of the time. nor would my ex-summerboy (who is now also a close friend/occasional bootycall of mine, and has recently had his bottom surgery 🩵), he'd never stoop to any level of demeaning or regressing on his core, on anything about himself or his community. so as someone with such a wide reach, it can be incredibly damaging to say this about herself because it perpetuates a notion that it's okay for cis people to say this about her, and by extension to say this about other members of the trans, non-binary, and gnc community. I'll never like Caitlyn, as I know she's a conservative grifter and a f*cking murderer, but I will say I find it sad that she'll stoop that low on herself/on her community. do better.

[Domination]

8 hours ago, Joesuxx said:

The anger in here, her chromosomes are and will always be those of their assigned gender at birth. That's the case for any trans person regardless of whether they've transitioned medically or not. It's a biological fact, regardless of whether it's their personal truth. If she wishes to acknowledge that then it's her chromosomes, let her think what she wants about them and herself. 

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Bunch of weirdos in here, esp the ones resorting to blatant transphobia as a reaction to a trans persons own thoughts and experiences on sex/gender. She's literally had several gender affirming surgeries and y'all think you're gonna be "woke" by referring to her as "he" and "it"… for what?

Edited June 2 by Domination

[goverm3nth0ker]

atp i think she changed sex just to get attention

[Moloko Plus]

The idiotic replies in here as per usual

 

When Kylie Sonique Love acknowledged the fact that she's a trans woman, her chromosomes are male, and she'll always be slightly different than cisgendered women, would y'all respond the same? 

 

Transsexuals acknowledging their genetic makeup =/= no longer identifying as their preferred gender, like some of y'all are making the case for in this particular thread. Some of y'all are so disgusting and dumb

Edited June 2 by Moloko Plus

[dinorhino]

9 hours ago, Illuminati said:

  I understood what you meant by that but it is always (and in this case also) employed to push the narrative that everything beyond chromosomal sex is just a delusion. As you said yourself, trans people are aware of what sex they were born with and what they were assigned at birth so why are we still pretending like trans people need to be educated on it

 

The person who told Caitlyn she is not a woman already knew her political views and that she's not some "woke" liberal "member of the alphabet mafia," he's not coming after her views on sex, he's not having a scientific discussion here. He's upset because she exists as a trans person.

 

The person who tweeted at Caitlyn already moved the goalpost, it wasn't enough that she agreed with him. Conversations like that, or what JK Rowling usually talks about only have one end point - forced detransitioning.

I understand how in this context it can be harmful, particularly considering the background of her views and who she associates with but aside from my misreading I still think the question is valid since I think even if she made a post just saying "i'm male [but a still a (trans) woman]" people wouldn't have that much of a different reaction

 

7 hours ago, John Slayne said:

Male and AMAB are not the same thing. Afaik Caitlyn has completed her transition which includes HRT - which means her hormone levels are that of a typical female. Her secondary sex characteristics - less body hair, breasts, etc. are also that of an average female.

 

Chromosomes are not the only factor determining biological sex, not even the most common factor. Doctors almost never assign sex at birth based on chromosomes because they don't test for that. So while Caitlyn still might have XY sex chromosomes, that doesn't mean she's necessarily still a male. That said, I can respect how she identifies and don't really give a f, so if she wants to say she's male then whatever. But her view of biological sex is extremely reductive and to be honest yes it does play into a lot of transphobic tropes.

TIL. I know sex =/= gender to many people (including myself) but I always thought chromosomes were the only indicator of someone's sex

 

8 hours ago, Suilen said:

The issue is that when she or right-wing grifters like Blaire White say that they're male, "liberal" people begrudgingly understand what they mean but bigots don't believe in gender in the first place, so for them that sounds like the admittance that they're men and should be misgendered, and the same goes for the rest of trans people. So instead of using their platforms to highlight the difference between sex (and it's not as simple as a biology textbook suggests) and gender, and many people are genuinely ignorant about that, they just perpetuate the misconception, which does hurt the community. And while trans people are very aware of their AGAB, not everyone wants to be reminded of it or considers it relevant to their current experience. I have no issue with a random trans woman saying that she's "transsexual" and "male", there are plenty of those. But when you're like the first prominent trans woman in the mainstream, you do hold some responsibility for what you say.

Yea I definitely understand how it can be utilised in the wrong way by transphobes, I was just questioning it in isolation

I'm not going to hold you though, I do wish that transsexual wasn't such a controversial term to use because I do think it is a more accurate label for people like Caitlyn who are trans, identify within the gender binary, and are medically transitioning. I definitely think people who are deliberately trying to change their sex~secondary sex characteristics should not be put under the exact same label as people who just change their pronouns. Nothing wrong with that at all but it's two different experiences that I don't think need to be conflated with each other that it's the same thing

[Bloo]

30 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

The idiotic replies in here as per usual

 

When Kylie Sonique Love acknowledged the fact that she's a trans woman, her chromosomes are male, and she'll always be slightly different than cisgendered women, would y'all respond the same? 

 

Transsexuals acknowledging their genetic makeup =/= no longer identifying as their preferred gender, like some of y'all are making the case for in this particular thread. Some of y'all are so disgusting and dumb

Reading comprehension isn’t your strength. No one is saying her comment about her chromosomes is incorrect. It’s the, “I’m not a woman” statement and the implications of how many people are woefully uneducated on the differences between gender and sex and this dialogue by Caitlyn reinforces those blurred lines in an unproductive way. 

[thesegayz]

2 hours ago, Mastamaind said:

I think "it" would be appropriate.

But if this was a Sam Smith thread, this would be a comment that triggers ZTP, right @Bloo? Double standards are wonderful 

[Moloko Plus]

4 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Reading comprehension isn't your strength. No one is saying her comment about her chromosomes is incorrect. It's the, "I'm not a woman" statement and the implications of how many people are woefully uneducated on the differences between gender and sex and this dialogue by Caitlyn reinforces those blurred lines in an unproductive way. 

Caitlyn is free to express herself and how she feels as she pleases, she shouldn't care about the possible "implications" of her statements especially when said implications are moreso coming from people who already hate her because of her right wing politics. A reminder that people don't get to police others language because they determine it to be 'unproductive'. 

 

[Mastamaind]

1 hour ago, Domination said:

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Bunch of weirdos in here, esp the ones resorting to blatant transphobia as a reaction to a trans persons own thoughts and experiences on sex/gender. She's literally had several gender affirming surgeries and y'all think you're gonna be "woke" by referring to her as "he" and "it"… for what?

I was referring to her as an "it" not 'cause of transphobia but judging her character. At this point, she's acting like a trojan horse/psyop of the far-right to disrupt the LGBTQ rather than someone that wants the best for the community and she should totally be called out for that.

 

5 minutes ago, thesegayz said:

But if this was a Sam Smith thread, this would be a comment that triggers ZTP, right @Bloo? Double standards are wonderful 

Defending a bigot much?

[Communion]

The argument that someone male can't be a woman or someone female can't be a man died the moment it was pointed out that you don't tell step parents or adoptive parents that they're not actually parents of the children they've raised because you've decided the word "parent" can only arbitrarily be defined by genetic relationship.

 

This very argument presented years ago by someone as self-hating and pandering to Republicans as Blair White of all people.

[Moloko Plus]

4 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

I was referring to her as an "it" not 'cause of transphobia but judging her character. At this point, she's acting like a trojan horse/psyop of the far-right to disrupt the LGBTQ rather than someone that wants the best for the community and she should totally be called out for that.

 

Defending a bigot much?

So using your logic you think it's okay for anyone to intentionally misgender transgender people (i.e. calling them 'it') on the basis of 'judging their character'?

Edited June 2 by Moloko Plus