abrantino Posted May 31 Posted May 31 1 hour ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said: Iirc last time a murderder beheaded a man on a bus also in Germany Hitler'a spirit still haunts this country. --- So this thread was closed and opened again? Why? do you have a source for this? searched for it but I'm only getting an incident in Canada OT: this keeps happening in places I visit frequently Allemagne's a mess rn
curiousladybug Posted May 31 Posted May 31 2 hours ago, Shelter said: I'm assuming you're talking about Israel/Palestine? There are other massacres that get no media attention. No, I am talking about ALL of the massacres around the world currently happening.
Shelter Posted May 31 Author Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Communion said: What efforts of integration do you feel have been made in Sweden and what examples do you feel show that said efforts haven't worked? Integration is not just the existence of racial or etnic or cultural diversity; I hope some of you understand that and realize the implications when suggesting such. Are ethnic minorities integrated in Sweden? Are they no longer disproportionately likely to face poverty, ghettoization, etc.? Please share any relevant statistics. Similarly, feel free to share crime statistics, but the last election data I saw in 2022 showed women uniformly vote left wing and it was mainly men - propped up by claims of economic resentment, not fear of crime - who largely voted for right wing parties. Is this a survey What country in Europe is doing good with integration? The governments are out of their depth, people want to help and have good intentions but that's where it seems to end. Nothing will change 1
Hurem Posted May 31 Posted May 31 3 hours ago, Communion said: Literally none of this makes sense and is trying to reference something you've not shown anyone actually saying. See: the bold. My post you quoted literally says leftists believe that the problems facing assimilation must be tackled through solutions of social integration and poverty alleviation. Again, there's two options - the left's solution or the right's solution. Let's stop being dishonest and claiming the issue is the left has no solution or ad hominems about ignoring problems despite no evidence of such. It's real simple- do you believe In the left's solution of social integration or the right's solution of mass deportation? What country has attempted any of these efforts to begin with? Cite them. And then let us know how quickly you think it would take to deport millions of people, hundreds of thousands to nations they've never lived. So we should do… nothing? It's been almost 10 years since the first big wave of immigration happened and if the only result for Europeans is more crime and more fear, then something is clearly not working. Focus should be on Europeans and what Europeans want first and foremost. 4
dawnettakins Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Stabbings in Europe are kinda akin to shootings in the US. Absolutely terrible and horrible ugh.
Communion Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hurem said: So we should do… nothing? It's been almost 10 years since the first big wave of immigration happened and if the only result for Europeans is more crime and more fear, then something is clearly not working. Focus should be on Europeans and what Europeans want first and foremost. Your posts are confusing. You claim to be deeply concerned about immigration yet seemingly don't pay enough attention to read the very posts you're replying to. You're saying "do nothing??" to a post that very clear outlines what leftists believe the solution is and the kind of policy platforms that should be implemented. Just like @Shelter, you are seemingly passionately yet act burdened when asked to explain what your thoughts are. In Germany specifically, young immigrants are nearly ten-times likelier to lack Germany's equivalent of a diploma: Quote According to the German Microcensus, individuals with a migration background on average have lower levels of education than native Germans. For example, the proportion of citizens aged between 18 and 25 without a school-leaving certificate is 1.4% for individuals without a migration background and 9.6% for those with. While experiencing triple the rate of unemployment: Quote This also has an effect on employment, resulting in significant differences in unemployment rates of 2.6% and 6% for individuals without and with a migration background, respectively (German Federal Statistical Office, 2020). Does a chart like the below show a genuine attempt at social integration and upward mobility of non-European migrants in Europe? You can want whatever you want. At the end of the day, you're the one voting if you're a European in whatever country you live in. But also you're not expressing disagreement - you're claiming outright that the Western left at large is avoiding a problem and refusing to offer solutions. ...that's not what anyone with eyes could say is objectively happening. If someone thinks solving poverty and social isolation are pointless because they instead think certain races of people have different brain sizes (or "some cultures are just inherently different!!!") and thus some races of people are more pre-dispositioned to violence and criminality than other races of people and ethnicities (the actual essentialist argument at the core of this debate), that's their view to have, but don't lie and claim there's not some coherent view held by the left on what an alternative explanation + solution is. It becomes clear that people try and re-frame the debate as the left lacking a solution because they're not honest enough to say outright what the right's is. Edited May 31 by Communion 2 1
PoisonPill Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 8 hours ago, l3disko said: Stuff like this seems so frequent in Germany. You almost never hear about it happening in Poland despite being right next to each other i wonder why Merkel embraced an open border policy, while Poland took a more conservative approach. Also Germany is a more attractive option to migrants because of its more diverse population, permissive culture and free benefits from the government. Edited May 31 by PoisonPill 1
izebize Posted June 1 Posted June 1 9 hours ago, perfect blue said: ignoring the reality of the situation is only going to push Europeans further right. Is that what you want? And what would be that "reality" you speak of? What I want is for dumbasses like a lot of you in here to stop conflating and generalizing but it seems it is asking too much. 2
stevyy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 23 hours ago, dawnettakins said: Stabbings in Europe are kinda akin to shootings in the US. Absolutely terrible and horrible ugh. aren't there like 20,000 mass shootings in the US per year? There are like 50 knife attacks in Germany per year.
stevyy Posted June 1 Posted June 1 22 hours ago, PoisonPill said: Merkel embraced an open border policy, while Poland took a more conservative approach. Also Germany is a more attractive option to migrants because of its more diverse population, permissive culture and free benefits from the government. didn't Poland dismiss international law? Weren't there like hundreds of thousands of migrants in Hungary .... pressing against literal border walls? Merkel did the right thing.
XO_Life Posted June 2 Posted June 2 On 6/2/2024 at 12:03 AM, stevyy said: didn't Poland dismiss international law? Weren't there like hundreds of thousands of migrants in Hungary .... pressing against literal border walls? Merkel did the right thing. At what cost tho? Germany is basically split in two halves again... The far right is having a field day evertime something like this happens, LGBTQ+ people like myself have to be more vary, acceptance of Muslim people is degrading and crime rates are up. I agree that Merkel did the right thing helping those in need but at some point we should've stopped. We should focus on integrating those that came in 2015 as best as we can and start taking a look who we let in. It sounds hard but we desperately need a solution. 2
stevyy Posted June 3 Posted June 3 10 hours ago, wastedpotential said: Just saw in DW that the cop died from his wounds It's awful. He was so young and only wanted to help.
stevyy Posted June 3 Posted June 3 4 hours ago, XO_Life said: At what cost tho? Germany is basically split in two halves again... The far right is having a field day evertime something like this happens, LGBTQ+ people like myself have to be more vary, acceptance of Muslim people is degrading and crime rates are up. I agree that Merkel did the right thing helping those in need but at some point we should've stopped. We should focus on integrating those that came in 2015 as best as we can and start taking a look who we let in. It sounds hard but we desperately need a solution. I agree. The problem, however, remains that too many people are still coming. It'll be tricky to solve the migration crisis. Among all of this, it will be tricky to remain humane in it all. 1
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