Lady Claire Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP's underperformance was actually a success in terms of impact on stan/pop culture. Even if it was for the wrong reasons, people talked about it (for a long time). ย As of RO, people simply didn't care? It just came and went. I love the album though 1
Erreur2 La Nature Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Optimal Radicalism is a great album and nothing about the era as a whole feels messy and try-hard. 1
Infernal Paradise Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Y'all really come here and unironically make these forced comparisons between records that come and go like Houdini and iconic pop culture staples like ARTPOPย 1
Leptine Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Not even close. ย 'Artpop' other than having better chart numbers is still discussed and referenced in pop culture to these days, in the last years it even got revalued by media outlet including Pitchfork who gave it a higher score than RO (7.3 vs 6.6), whereas the other felt like a totally bland not event.
Rino Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP was an underperformance of the biggest pop star on the planet so it was a huge moment in pop culture just by itself.ย ย Dua never reached that level of fame so RO flopped very quietly.ย
theboyismine Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 4 hours ago, Josh said: Both 3rd albums had major expectations due to how successful their past albums were (The Fame Monster, Future Nostalgia) then the lead single bombed or at least a flop compared to their past singles.ย Artpop third album "how successful their previous albums were (the fame monster)" ย girl Edited May 31 by theboyismine 1
Jay07 Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP is the better album but it was also such a big swing that it failing to connect was a massive blow to Gaga which she arguably still hasn't recovered from. RO is just another basic pop album full of mid bops, it underperformed but Dua can try harder next time and she will probably can back from it. 1
sunbathinganimal Posted May 31 Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: ARTPOP is the better album but it was also such a big swing that it failing to connect was a massive blow to Gaga which she arguably still hasn't recovered from. RO is just another basic pop album full of mid bops
alexrex Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP was a statement. People can say whatever they want about that record, but it made headlines, it created a conversation around the artist. And to this day it still does.ย ย I doubt anyone will remember RO in 10 years. They will remember Future Nostalgia probably.ย
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted May 31 Posted May 31 You know. ARTPOP is the epitome of flop so it's remembered as that forever. It's actually an ICON. RO is just uneventful and don't even have a chance to be remembered because it's not even known about in the first place. Even pop stans may forget about it in a year or two let alone the GP. 1
Archetype Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP and Applause are legitimately successful and can only be described as flops in comparison to her prior massively successful albums. ย It's also a big part of pop culture history at this point. ย RO is just a flop by any standard.ย 4
shyboi Posted May 31 Posted May 31 I feel like Houdini is legitimately better than the singles on artpop thoย
Le Grande Posted May 31 Posted May 31 No, while it sounds rubbish compared to RO, Artpop was still relatively successful. RO is a disastrous flop, even worse than the Katy one. 1
Galah Posted May 31 Posted May 31 No.ย Radical Optimismย does not belong in the same conversation asย Artpop,ย Witness, or any other "iconic flop" album. It's just an unsuccessful pop album that will be forgotten about. Nobody is going to say, "Is [underperforming era] so and so's Radical Optimismย era?" It won't be a benchmark for anything. It'll just be another forgotten flop album that a few people will make, "Didย Radical Optimismย deserve better?" threads about later on. It's basically herย Solar Power in that regard. 1
aesthetic bih Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Artpop flopped, but at least it was risky and entertaining to the pop culture fans ย Radical Optimism was safe and basically an FN B Sides Deluxe, and yet it still underperformed 1
frankvert Posted May 31 Posted May 31 5 hours ago, mike_int said: I listened ARTPOP the other day in full and damn that album didnt age well. It is loud, overproduced, messy and some lyrics are really personification of cringe and dumb. ย Compare to BTW or Fame and Fame Monster it really was not good album. ย Hard to say how will RO age but it is much more straight forward commercial pop album which I dont think will age badly in contrary I think people will start to enjoy some songs after some time. You obviously don't have Dolby Atmos available on your streaming platform ย
atemyheartinc Posted May 31 Posted May 31 ARTPOP -> chaotic and experimentalย Radical Optimism -> blend, boring and basic ย I don't see any correlationย 1
Bloodflowers. Posted May 31 Posted May 31 No, Radical Optimism (2024) is her Goodbye Lullaby (2011) ย Both lead singles peaked at #11 and albums failed to debut at #1ย ย Critics were mixed and thought the albums were too safe ย Had big tour in Asia ย Had flop managment ย ย
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Be serious. Will people be signing petitions asking for a second act of Radical Optimism in 10 years? That should answer your question.ย
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