news Democrats in full-blown 'freakout' over Biden

[Bears01]

44 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

I've said it before, but upperclass white women will come in and save the day for Biden. Dems will likely get one more election victory out of the abortion issue.

I would not be surprised, but my "on the ground" feeling is that people HATE Biden in ways I haven't felt utter hatred for an American president since…the end of Bush's second term. 
 

Granted, I live in a red state, but just the "vibes" about Biden are just awful. Even during the worst of the pandemic in 2020 did I feel this sort of negative energy about a sitting American president. 
 

Dems have a choice going forward and neither option is really great: hope Biden eeks out a win and ends Trump in 2024 and probably get absolutely massacred in 2026 and 2028….or lose to Trump 

[Gwendolyn]

Biden is horrid for his support for Israel; I don't think Gaza will be a leading issue on why he will lose the presidency. Across the West, far-right parties who are even more pro-Israel are winning and it's mostly due to the housing crisis, weakening economies and much more. Has much improved under Biden within his 4 years except for 'Trump Bad'

 

 

Also, it's clear as day to anyone who isn't an American Dem that he will LOSE the election, my thoughts are with American LGBT+, ethnic minority groups and immigrants and women since **** is about to get worse if Trump does a Project 2025 and I pray that the European rightwing doesn't get ideas from it. All of this could've easily been prevented if he listened to his voters and didn't dickride Israel so hard that it's blowing up in his face. 

Edited May 28 by Gwendolyn

[i spit on haters]

22 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

I blame both non voters and people who wont vote for a candiate due to one issue and Im not blaming those families? If your affected by it then obviously dont vote like what? 

For myself and the million of others who will not capitulate and vote for Biden, it's not just about one issue. I said on page one that the overall issues dem voters have with Biden is again, all the broken campaign promises (that he never genuinely had any intention of fulfilling), his ineffectiveness to get anything done of substance that's actually tangible in the day to day life of Americans, his age (which most voters are concerned about), his performance of the economy and yes, his ironclad support of Israel. He's been losing support across all voting blocks. And even if Palestine was the only issue for some voters so what ? is mass murder of a group of people not bad enough ? that should be enough for anyone with basic empathy. And yes we're going to continue to be loud and in-your-face about Palestine because we're not going to allow Zionists and the media to sweep this under the rug and become yet another silent genocide. The world is watching and seeing the horrific events unfold in real time. Enough is enough.   

[Vermillion]

I have nothing to add to the above except to emphasize that genocide is one hell of a "one issue".

[ForgottenSoul]

15 minutes ago, i spit on haters said:

For myself and the million of others who will not capitulate and vote for Biden, it's not just about one issue. I said on page one that the overall issues dem voters have with Biden is again, all the broken campaign promises (that he never genuinely had any intention of fulfilling), his ineffectiveness to get anything done of substance that's actually tangible in the day to day life of Americans, his age (which most voters are concerned about), his performance of the economy and yes, his ironclad support of Israel. He's been losing support across all voting blocks. And even if Palestine was the only issue for some voters so what ? is mass murder of a group of people not bad enough ? that should be enough for anyone with basic empathy. And yes we're going to continue to be loud and in-your-face about Palestine because we're not going to allow Zionists and the media to sweep this under the rug and become yet another silent genocide. The world is watching and seeing the horrific events unfold in real time. Enough is enough.   

Okay Enough is Enough so lets not vote and Trump wins and nothing changes, literally every President will support Israel and most likely even more then Biden is. 

 

If both candiates want "mass murder" then yeah you vote on their other issues, not everyone is like me though. Who cares if LGBTQ and Women rights get eroded, younger supreme court justices but your right dont vote and think your actually doing something when your not. 

 

You people dont want Israel to exist thinking a President will support that extreme view is a joke. 

 

If you vote based on one issue then you are just selfish unless your directly impacted

Edited May 28 by ForgottenSoul

[Reflektor]

47 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

 

 

If both candiates want "mass murder" then yeah you vote on their other issue

Honestly, I'm not evaluating past mass murder at this point -- and that goes to Chuck Schumer, Kristen Gillibrand and my congressperson that continually votes to fund an actual genocide.

 

As a reminder, no truly substantial anti-racial discrimination, gay protection, or women's equality (inclusive of abortion) legislation has been passed by a Democratic majority Federal government in the current era. They can't even do that bare minimum which they claim to protect and certainly haven't even attempted under Biden.

 

What is this level of "harm reduction" to a mother in Palestine? 

 

Edited May 28 by Reflektor

[i spit on haters]

5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

Who cares if LGBTQ and Women rights get eroded, younger supreme court justices but your right dont vote and think your actually doing something when your not. 

 

The democratic establishment in a nutshell. Which is why we get virtue signaling, performative acts and they move further right. They couldn't even codify Roe v wade when they were in power. Thanks, Obama. 

 

And we firmly believe Israel shouldn't exists in its current form of a fascist, colonial project. It's an ethostate to keep Jews as the majority. So no, under those egregious circumstances it shouldn't exist. But you and others are trying to frame it as though we want the eradication of jews, which couldn't be more far removed from the truth. 

[Blue Monday]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

*taps mic to make sure It's on*

 

Biden could; you know, just stop supporting genocide. 

Unfortunately the genocide is not the reason why the average voter isn't supporting him   if it was at least it would be comforting to know people have a functioning moral compass.

Edited May 28 by Blue Monday

[Vermillion]

57 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

Unfortunately the genocide is not the reason why the average voter isn't supporting him   if it was at least it would be comforting to know people have a functioning moral compass.

The "average voter" the MSM and you are referring to has little impact on what Dems need out of the Electoral College.

 

Neither is the MSM narratives on the "top ten issues millennials and Gen Z actually care about" which intentionally papers over the issue at hand, trying to wish it out of existence.

 

The Upper Midwest's Arab diaspora, when comparing the primary's uncommitted numbers (~100K) to Biden's 2020 win by ~40K could absolutely decide the election.

[Blue Monday]

2 minutes ago, Espresso said:

The "average voter" the MSM and you are referring to has little impact on what Dems need out of the Electoral College.

 

Neither is the MSM narratives on the "top ten issues millennials and Gen Z actually care about" which intentionally papers over the issue at hand, trying to wish it out of existence.

 

The Upper Midwest's Muslim diaspora, when comparing the primary's uncommitted numbers (~100K) to Biden's 2020 win by ~40K could absolutely decide the election.

I understand that it might ultimately be one of several deciding factors with key demos but most people in the US who aren't supporting Biden are voting with their wallets, mainly the lack of funds in them. It would certainly help if Biden would stop licking Israel's boots and sending them weapons/money but that wouldn't hand him the election so to speak

[Johnny Cash]

"Lesser of two evils" gays still not understanding that mindset is what got you into this situation to begin with

[Vermillion]

10 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

I understand that it might ultimately be one of several deciding factors with key demos but most people in the US who aren't supporting Biden are voting with their wallets, mainly the lack of funds in them. It would certainly help if Biden would stop licking Israel's boots and sending them weapons/money but that wouldn't hand him the election so to speak

You're correct, it wouldn't. We'll never have definitives until postmortems but the numbers are certainly gathered already for literal Upper Midwest swing states. 

 

If this isn't the most definitive factor, I'm not sure what is.

 

Ongoing analysis of immigration, inflation and abortion is all well and good until, again, it confronts the current electoral structure Dems face with the specific demographics they have lost.

 

 

[Sprite]

I always thought it was weird that the incumbent automatically gets the nomination again... What if the party is displeased and wants someone else? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable request.

[Sprite]

He's got to go. I hope Trump wins because I don't remember a war in the middle east during Trump's administration.

[PoisonedIvy]

With Trump and Biden being so universally hated, I can't believe there quite literally isn't a dark horse third candidate that could appeal to everyone in America right now. Our 2 party system is so broken that even the most hopeless election in modern history is still leaving us with 2 garbage candidates for the presidency with no viable alternative. We will never be free of this wretched fate. 

[Communion]

55 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

Unfortunately the genocide is not the reason why the average voter isn't supporting him   if it was at least it would be comforting to know people have a functioning moral compass.

I think the issue is two-fold. 

 

Biden has an image problem and an enthusiasm problem. 

 

Low-activity voters who don't engage much with the election cycle have definitely soured on him due to his image. He's seen as old. He's seen as unreliable. The economy is seen as poor. The media do contribute to this but Dems could have been putting up a stronger defense via policy. These voters are older.

 

And then Biden has an enthusiasm issue. This impacts highly engaged voters. Voters who vote in primaries. These are the activist base who volunteer their time to canvas, phone bank, organize and do GOTV events. The volunteers who take the time to speak with the low engagement voter and hopefully change their mind about the image they have of Biden. 

 

"How can I convince others to vote for Biden when I don't even know if I can vote him?", "How do I convince others the merits of someone helping to kill babies??," etc.

 

Dems rely on basically young voters and black women for their volunteer base. And in a post-Trump era, educated white women in suburbs. 

 

Biden's foreign policy disproportionately impacts this base of volunteers. He has broken the hearts of young people by putting a live feed of a genocide into their pockers. Not endorsing genocide won't automatically ensure him a win, you're right. But his endorsement of genocide does make it substantially harder, let alone because of the reality of Michigan's large and relatively young Arab population.  

 

He should and must do more than just not endorse genocide, of course, but endorsing genocide is such a self-inflicted obstacle and wrench in his path to winning that literally any other pathways to win become infinitely more unlikely while endorsing genocide. This is the minimum where he must start to get his reelection campaign back on the rails. 

Edited May 28 by Communion

[Vermillion]

17 minutes ago, Sprite said:

He's got to go. I hope Trump wins because I don't remember a war in the middle east during Trump's administration.

I can't give the benefit of the doubt with this obvious trolling and I wouldn't be surprised if you're a dupe.

[shyboi]

1 hour ago, Gwendolyn said:

Biden is horrid for his support for Israel; I don't think Gaza will be a leading issue on why he will lose the presidency. Across the West, far-right parties who are even more pro-Israel are winning and it's mostly due to the housing crisis, weakening economies and much more. Has much improved under Biden within his 4 years except for 'Trump Bad'

 

 

Also, it's clear as day to anyone who isn't an American Dem that he will LOSE the election, my thoughts are with American LGBT+, ethnic minority groups and immigrants and women since **** is about to get worse if Trump does a Project 2025 and I pray that the European rightwing doesn't get ideas from it. All of this could've easily been prevented if he listened to his voters and didn't dickride Israel so hard that it's blowing up in his face. 

 

what is P2025 about? 

[Vermillion]

3 minutes ago, shyboi said:

 

what is P2025 about? 

 

[Vermillion]

@Blue Monday My apologies for conflating Arab with Muslim when referring to Michigan diaspora but you knew what I meant and it's been edited.  

[Raver]

1 hour ago, ForgottenSoul said:

If both candiates want "mass murder" then yeah you vote on their other issues, not everyone is like me though. Who cares if LGBTQ and Women rights get eroded, younger supreme court justices but your right dont vote and think your actually doing something when your not. 

LGBTQ rights are being taken away under Biden. Abortion was taken away under Biden. Biden is now using abortion as a campaign promise and as a reason to vote for him when it was taken away TWO years ago. Why is he waiting until after he wins to do something? It's disgusting to be dangling rights in front of people like that to vote for him. 

[Sprite]

4 hours ago, shyboi said:

GAVIN 2024, make it happen asap 

Don't Democrats have anyone else other than typical career politicians...? LOL.

Edited May 28 by Sprite

[shyboi]

4 minutes ago, Espresso said:

 

 

 

y'all give him to much credit, as if he or his team have the intelligence to establish him as a dictator

 

if he wins, he will come, go and be forgotten 

[PoisonPill]

I think this election is going to mark a radical political realignment. Trump will win the battlegrounds, but also do better in urban areas and with non-white voters than any Republican in over half a century. We will also see the strongest third-party candidate results since the early '90s. The democrats only real hope, at this point, is campaigning full-throttle on reproductive rights or praying that Trump gets convicted and removed from enough state ballots.

 

Edited May 28 by PoisonPill

[PoisonPill]

1 hour ago, Reflektor said:

 

As a reminder, no truly substantial anti-racial discrimination, gay protection, or women's equality (inclusive of abortion) legislation has been passed by a Democratic majority Federal government in the current era. They can't even do that bare minimum which they claim to protect and certainly haven't even attempted under Biden.

 

FYI this administration got the Respect for Marriage Act, that codified nationwide protection for marriage equality, passed into law with a bipartisan vote in Congress in December 2022.

 

Edited May 28 by PoisonPill