ZeroSuitBritney Posted May 20 Posted May 20 Expected. And Biden is doing such a piss poor job that he is leading us to this outcome. How pathetic. America is ****** either way.
The7thStranger Posted May 20 Posted May 20 For the all of this back and forth happening here, I've yet to see anybody mention an alternative candidate to support other than ... Trump. Biden is a terrible candidate and an awful president, but who is this mysterious third dark horse you all think has the ability to enter the campaign trail in May of 2024 and then take home an election in November? Because unless you somehow convince Taylor Swift to run, it's not happening. 5
Reginald Posted May 20 Posted May 20 Yeah, if this happens I'm going to make a French Exit from this lifetime as soon as my pets pass I can't take anymore of this neverending existential dread, and refuse to live the next 60 years under an authoritarian religious rule 1
QueenBeyoncé Posted May 20 Posted May 20 (edited) On 5/19/2024 at 6:53 PM, Communion said: Let's make a deal - you stop complaining about people not voting for Biden and myself and others won't have to respond. It's also not lost on me that those privileged enough to be removed from Biden's failures - largely European users - are the most vocal in their whining and complaining. Why should any progressive American take serious people who enjoy universal healthcare complaining that some Americans won't vote for this man? well hey Trump wants to get rid of healthcare for millions smh More Americans are covered under Biden more than any POTUS Edited May 21 by QueenBeyoncé 3
QueenBeyoncé Posted May 20 Posted May 20 11 hours ago, Communion said: Thankfully someone came up with a plan that solves just that (spoiler: it's also the same person Biden got the idea of rescheduling marijuana via executive order from): You don't seem to understand changing the rules in any shape will give Republicans to chance to rules to their liking once in power..
Hex Posted May 20 Posted May 20 7 hours ago, Headlock said: What a campaign slogan! People will surely be running to the polls to vote It's not good, we all know that. But wake up, there is no other option. Like how hard is that to comprehend?
Headlock Posted May 20 Posted May 20 4 hours ago, The7thStranger said: Biden is a terrible candidate and an awful president, but Sis, the people in this thread aren't the subject here, we are illustrating the very real issue Biden is facing, and you are proving our point. Acknowledging how awful of a president he is is the point, because that is what is going to keep people apathetic to this year's election and to stay home. Which millions of Americans do every election year. It is not "protest votes" from ~the fringe left~ that will cost Biden the election, it is every day Americans, poor Americans, POC Americans, who do not find "He's not Trump!" to be a good enough selling point to find a way to get to a voting booth in November. 2 4
Headlock Posted May 20 Posted May 20 15 minutes ago, Hex said: It's not good, we all know that. But wake up, there is no other option. Like how hard is that to comprehend? See above. We are not the people you need to convince. 1
Redstreak Posted May 20 Posted May 20 9 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: It's not about who is going to win in 2024. How does one have a conversation in good faith after this statement 1 1
The7thStranger Posted May 20 Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Headlock said: Sis, the people in this thread aren't the subject here, we are illustrating the very real issue Biden is facing, and you are proving our point. Acknowledging how awful of a president he is is the point, because that is what is going to keep people apathetic to this year's election and to stay home. Which millions of Americans do every election year. It is not "protest votes" from ~the fringe left~ that will cost Biden the election, it is every day Americans, poor Americans, POC Americans, who do not find "He's not Trump!" to be a good enough selling point to find a way to get to a voting booth in November. But I entirely agree with you. He's a terrible candidate, and he's not done a good job as a president. My question, however, remains entirely ignored. Who is that third person? It's somewhat of a trick question because there is no real viable answer. Even if we found the most suitable candidate out of 500 million people, there is simply not enough time to get a majority for an unknown entity. This leave us voters with three real pathways foward: Biden Trump abstain Make your choice and be comfortable with it. Because there is literally nothing else you can do. Edited May 20 by The7thStranger 1
GardenPanty Posted May 20 Author Posted May 20 The fact that people would rather see the U.S. filled with Nazis in the Supreme Court than see Biden win again is honestly scary. Enjoy your rights being taken away (while Gaza is still being bombed to smithereens ) 6
Hephaestus Posted May 20 Posted May 20 9 hours ago, Pop Art said: It absolutely blows my mind how so people whose views are pretty aligned with mine see this and all the other terrifying things looming from another Trump presidency (for the US and other countries) and still somehow think voting for someone other than Biden or not voting at all is the best option. Like I truly do not get it. Biden is far from perfect, but of the only two people that will walk away with a 2025 presidency, he's clearly the better choice if you're on the left. I'm all for criticizing him and pushing for him to veer way more left, but that's a whole different conversation than people protest voting third party or not voting at all. 9 hours ago, Pop Art said: No matter what polls say, at this point in this election cycle, there are only two individuals who have the ability to cross that finish line in November: Biden or Trump. Thus, voting for anyone other than one of these two only serves to harm the chances of the candidate that most aligns with your views and strengthen the chances of the candidate that least aligns with your views. Unfortunately, it really is that simple and no amount of conversation or debate will change that at this point. mte. Like, imagine not putting all your efforts towards making Trump not win the following elections when he HAS TOLD YOU (multiple times even) how bad things would get if he were to become president again. Biden is far from perfect and I understand he's (rightfully) not the ideal candidate for a good portion of the population, but between him and someone who is gonna absolutely wreck chaos in the country (and in the world too, either intentionally or unintentionally), making this much much worse for anyone who is not white cis het man goes completely beyond my comprehension. And then you have people voting 3rd party... At this point just tell us you want everyone's life to be miserable because by not voting for Biden you're actively contributing to the hellhole the US will become if (when?) Trump gets elected. Like, there might not even be elections anymore in 2028, good luck booking that better candidate you speak of! 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted May 20 Posted May 20 35 minutes ago, Redstreak said: How does one have a conversation in good faith after this statement The Democratic Party raised a billion dollars for Hillary in 2016. The Democratic Party has numerous NGO affiliates to promote candidates. The Democratic Party has ties to corporate media networks and expensive media campaigns. A Green Party candidate with a fraction of the campaign shouldn't be seen as a threat.
Headlock Posted May 20 Posted May 20 1 hour ago, The7thStranger said: But I entirely agree with you. He's a terrible candidate, and he's not done a good job as a president. My question, however, remains entirely ignored. Who is that third person? It's somewhat of a trick question because there is no real viable answer. Even if we found the most suitable candidate out of 500 million people, there is simply not enough time to get a majority for an unknown entity. This leave us voters with three real pathways foward: Biden Trump abstain Make your choice and be comfortable with it. Because there is literally nothing else you can do. And the fact is that millions of Americans ARE comfortable with abstaining. You win elections by appealing to NONVOTERS, people who don't typically vote BECAUSE they feel apathetic towards politics, because they have never been championed by the system.
The7thStranger Posted May 20 Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Headlock said: And the fact is that millions of Americans ARE comfortable with abstaining. You win elections by appealing to NONVOTERS, people who don't typically vote BECAUSE they feel apathetic towards politics, because they have never been championed by the system. True But remaining on this one point does nothing to move the needle on this election. It's too late. If Biden doesn't convince enough people, he will lose the election. Edited May 20 by The7thStranger
Relampago. Posted May 20 Posted May 20 (edited) I get the whole "Vote Biden or you're gonna die!" argument that people keep beating me over the head with, so I'm voting Biden. My question is, what do we do if Biden wins again? Do we sit on our hands and say: It's just an endless cycle of, "we need a Democrat in power or we die!" then we get horrible results, thousands die in other countries, thousands die without healthcare, inflation worsens, the environment worsens, we complain, 3 years pass, the national election starts coming up again and we get told again: "Vote Dem or you die!" Like at some point.. this argument is gonna fall apart. I believe it already has which is why Trump will win in 2024, it's no longer enough to say "Trump evil! Will kill you!". But rather than find a better Democrat or push for Biden to enact (or at least advocate for) popular policies like Medicare for All, or rational stances like a ceasefire, or even just keep his campaign promises of cancelling student debt, random civilians on this website get told we're awful people who are going to get the suffering we deserve under Trump. Y'all are the reason people laugh at the Democratic party. I'm well aware Republicans are **** people but some of you all are stupid as ****. Edited May 20 by Relampago. 5 6
Into The Void Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 3:18 PM, Taylena said: It's beyond delusional to believe that someone with the lowest approval rating in history is the only one that can defeat Trump. Tell us then what Democrat will beat Trump?
Into The Void Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 5:33 PM, Communion said: Sister, Bernie Sanders clearly lives in your mind: I'm just confused what you actually want. You have gotten every single thing you've ever wanted as a liberal who supports anti-poor policies. You got Clinton in 2016 - she **** the bed after you promised she would win. You made many of us who supported Sanders look stupid for voting for her. You got Biden in 2020 *and* you got people to turn out in record numbers to stop Trump - yet we're back to where we started cause he's failed in his term. Even now against a convicted criminal, attempted coup leader, rapist, and degenerate, your preferred candidate is looking likely to lose because he is uniquely unpopular. Why wouldn't't progressives be angry after liberals like yourself have gotten every single thing you wanted and every choice has only empowered Trump more? People like you are why Trump won in 2016, almost won in 2020, and is on track to currently win In 2024. At what point is any other pathway besides moving to the right tested? How much more must people suffer under the failures of your worldview and ideology? None of us wanted Biden in 2020. but we sure as hell didnt want Trunp for 4 more years. R we gonna get 4 more years of Trump. Looks likely. No one asked for this.
Into The Void Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/20/2024 at 11:41 AM, Relampago. said: " Like at some point.. this argument is gonna fall apart. I believe it already has which is why Trump will win in 2024, it's no longer enough to say "Trump evil! Will kill you!". But rather than find a better Democrat or push for Biden to enact (or at least advocate for) popular policies like Medicare for All, or rational stances like a ceasefire, or even just keep his campaign promises of cancelling student debt, random civilians on this website get told we're awful people who are going to get the suffering we deserve under Trump. Y'all are the reason people laugh at the Democratic party. I'm well aware Republicans are **** people but some of you all are stupid as ****. Please tell me how can I as 1 person, get Biden to on board with Medicare 4 All? I'd really love to know how 1 insignificant random citizen will convince the president to enact these policies.
Relampago. Posted May 22 Posted May 22 33 minutes ago, Into The Void said: Please tell me how can I as 1 person, get Biden to on board with Medicare 4 All? I'd really love to know how 1 insignificant random citizen will convince the president to enact these policies. Girl what? I feel as though you might feel attacked by my post, but you're kind of on the same side as me with this comment. It makes no sense to berate people on here when we should all be agreeing that Biden needs to be advocating for better things. We're all "insignificant" but people saying "Vote Biden or die" is has lost its luster a long time ago. Basically, we need to continue to focus on the conversation of getting some real action and policies enacted rather than trying to shame each other into voting for a do-nothing democrat, even on a small scale. I know we're all insignificant and change isn't going to happen amongst us right away, but this "vote blue no matter who!" commentary is even more useless than one "insignificant" person advocating for Medicare For All. Speaking from my own experience, I used to be a staunch moderate back in high school when the election was coming up. Pro-Hillary all the way. Being on this website, users were able to point me to new sources of information, other options and helped open my mind to things that I never even knew were possible, and now I not only have moved further left because I know that is what must be done to move society forward, but I'm able to speak to some of these issues in real life to people around me. My family, my friends, they've all slowly begun moving left after hearing more of my informed thoughts. Yeah, we're not going to change Biden's mind tomorrow. But by having the right conversations, rather than having this endless cycle of useless conversations of shaming people who will inevitably vote Biden anyways is pointless. The people here expressing their grievances have the right to do so, it makes sense that they would. And while you, and anyone else, have the right to defend Biden, it's really important to remember who the real enemy is and it's not the ATRLer posting on here. 1
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