news Trump to appoint "extreme MAGA" Supreme Court Justices if elected

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

I have to wonder if the vitriol towards Biden (some of it justifiably earned by his blunders, some of it driven by some internal pathology of hatred for the man) will be maintained to this level when Trump is elected and say, arranges for a few of the SC justices to slip in the shower and fall out a window, or to be run off a bridge by an invisible drunk driver, and then appoints replacements who feel that what America really needs to succeed is mass disenfranchisement and democratic backsliding.

I personally will maintain anger at Biden. Trump doing evil things is predictable and expected. I can both hate Donald Trump and also maintain anger at a man who had every opportunity to curb his presidency and appeal against Donald Trump to prevent his reelection and chose not to take these opportunities. Aside from Gaza, Biden lost me when he was exploring taking a far right anti-abortion judge, who was selected by Mitch McConnell, and putting him in power in my home state. Biden lost me

when he chose to pursue far right ideas on immigration to appeal to right wing voters. Biden lost me when he said he wanted to reform the police in 2020 and only expands their funding. Biden lost me when he didn’t fight for the voting rights of Black people.

 

There are so many basic things Biden chose not to do, that if/when he loses, I will blame him for any evil Donald Trump does because it will all be so predictable. Biden should have cared more to prevent Trump getting into power. Biden could have listened to the polls that indicate how voters are feeling rather than just say they’re wrong because they hurt his feelings. 

[Harrier]

The usual suspects are just itching for the Biden L. For them, the ability to yell I told you so at the libs and to bask in their hated enemy Biden's defeat is so emotionally enticing that they become blind to the threat that Trump poses.

 

They won't directly admit to it, of course, but you can read it from their posts and their emphasis choices. Biden losing is worth Trump winning - that is the truth of what they're arguing for and what they actually believe, even though they try to hide it behind other issues.

 

I say this as someone that has never liked Biden for one minute, and also as someone that doesn't care about non-voting. But to those users - just be honest about where your emotions actually are.

[Kassi]

33 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

So scary Biden should really be doing everything in his power to prevent that huh? Like listening to the majority of his voter base and change course instead of relying on "but Trump" and funding a genocide. A loss would only be his fault. 

What happens if the majority of voters back Israel and he loses all of their votes?
 

It seems like you've taken it for granted that Biden severing all US ties with Israel is what will win him the election. 

[ClashAndBurn]

24 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

I have to wonder if the vitriol towards Biden (some of it justifiably earned by his blunders, some of it driven by some internal pathology of hatred for the man) will be maintained to this level when Trump is elected and say, arranges for a few of the SC justices to slip in the shower and fall out a window, or to be run off a bridge by an invisible drunk driver, and then appoints replacements who feel that what America really needs to succeed is mass disenfranchisement and democratic backsliding.

 

When this country reverts back to a political system resembling say, Tsarist Russia or late Republican Rome, I wonder if those who place all blame onto Biden and who have repeatedly stated that they hate him just as much as Trump will still feel the same. I mean, just up-thread are comments placing the blame for several policies entirely out of his control at his feet, and I wonder if y'all will keep that up when Trump disembowels the constitution and all of his opposition. Where were you when Senator XYZ fell victim to a public firing squad? I was on atrl.net making sure everyone knows I think it's Joe Biden's fault! 

 

If we're allowed access to the internet in our conversion camps and if access to this website is maintained by the new regime, I'd love to keep in touch with some of y'all, just to hear your takes on the news (if we're allowed to see it, of course)

 

 

 

What's pathological is this strange need to act like Joe Biden is some sort of victim of people who are predisposed toward disliking him when he's... literally supplying bombs that are being used to kill children.

 

For that matter, people didn't start to remember Hillary more fondly in a "oh, what could have been if we'd only had our Yas Queen in 2016 instead of that bumbling buffoon" way. Instead, people hated her more for being such a bad candidate (after assuring everyone that she was competent and her Pied Piper strategy) that she lost to a failed businessman.

[ClashAndBurn]

40 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

We're cooked for good if 45 gets his way.

Quite frankly, we'd deserve it because of Joe Biden. Hope that helps  

[Harrier]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

I have to wonder if the vitriol towards Biden (some of it justifiably earned by his blunders, some of it driven by some internal pathology of hatred for the man) will be maintained to this level when Trump is elected and say, arranges for a few of the SC justices to slip in the shower and fall out a window, or to be run off a bridge by an invisible drunk driver, and then appoints replacements who feel that what America really needs to succeed is mass disenfranchisement and democratic backsliding.

 

When this country reverts back to a political system resembling say, Tsarist Russia or late Republican Rome, I wonder if those who place all blame onto Biden and who have repeatedly stated that they hate him just as much as Trump will still feel the same. I mean, just up-thread are comments placing the blame for several policies entirely out of his control at his feet, and I wonder if y'all will keep that up when Trump disembowels the constitution and all of his opposition. Where were you when Senator XYZ fell victim to a public firing squad? I was on atrl.net making sure everyone knows I think it's Joe Biden's fault! 

 

If we're allowed access to the internet in our conversion camps and if access to this website is maintained by the new regime, I'd love to keep in touch with some of y'all, just to hear your takes on the news (if we're allowed to see it, of course)

 

 

 

It won't. The pathology of this particular brand of leftism involves a visceral hatred for liberals and centrists that exceeds that of their hatred for rightists and fascists. They will continue yapping about democrats long after Biden is defeated

[Kassi]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

literally supplying bombs that are being used to kill children.

Name one war without civilian casualties?

 

We're supplying military aid to an allied nation, who is in turn fighting their own war. The same way we have to Egypt, Jordan, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Colombia, Lebanon, NATO, etc.
 

If you're an isolationist, just say that. 

[Kassi]

4 minutes ago, Harrier said:

It won't. The pathology of this particular brand of leftism involves a visceral hatred for liberals and centrists that exceeds that of their hatred for rightists and fascists. They will continue yapping about democrats long after Biden is defeated

Do you think it has something to do with the Bernie defeat/humiliation? It seems like they took those losses so personally to the point of election denialism which predated even MAGA's.

 

I say this because the attitude appears to be "If we couldn't have our guy! You don't deserve yours!" It's like the 2016 primary never ended. 

[Bloo]

3 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I say this because the attitude appears to be "If we couldn't have our guy! You don't deserve yours!" It's like the 2016 primary never ended. 

Not to poke a hole in your theory, but I didn’t vote for Bernie in 2016.

[shimind]

37 minutes ago, GardenPanty said:

"A nazi being president again would be great for our country!"

there's no hope from biden... maybe trump will be able to stop the israel Palestine genocide. Biden is giving billions of dollars every month to continue this war. 

[ClashAndBurn]

8 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Name one war without civilian casualties?

 

We're supplying military aid to an allied nation, who is in turn fighting their own war. The same way we have to Egypt, Jordan, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Colombia, Lebanon, NATO, etc.
 

If you're an isolationist, just say that. 

Civilians are specifically being targeted with the purpose of clearing them out. It's not about Hamas. It never was. If it were, Bibi wouldn't have personally funded them to keep them strong and in power.

 

Quite frankly, Israel is a shitty ally to have, and should have been invaded and had its government deposed in a forced regime change with Netanyahu receiving capital punishment in The Hague long ago. Instead, he's got a best friend-type relationship with both of the current candidates for the US presidency and wins either way.

[Communion]

Democratic voters: "Please can we have universal healthcare."

 

Biden:, rebuking his voters and his party "I will never support universal healthcare."

 

Democratic voters: "....but I don't think that's fair."

 

People privileged to have never experienced living in a nation where healthcare is not a right:

21 minutes ago, Harrier said:

The pathology of this particular brand of leftism involves a visceral hatred for liberals and centrists

Say it with me [to the tune of centrist hero John McCain cheering on bombing other nations]: "If you're posting from a country with universal healthcare, your opinion on voting doesn't matter *claps twice* If you're posting from a country with universal healthcare, your opinion on voting doesn't matter *claps twice*"

 

 

Edited May 20 by Communion

[wastedpotential]

28 minutes ago, Bloo said:

There are so many basic things Biden chose not to do, that if/when he loses, I will blame him for any evil Donald Trump does because it will all be so predictable. Biden should have cared more to prevent Trump getting into power. Biden could have listened to the polls that indicate how voters are feeling rather than just say they're wrong because they hurt his feelings. 

Your perspective is fully valid and understandable, but it strips any agency from voters. The voters know exactly who the two choices are, and the voters are responsible for the outcome of the election. If you think that what Biden has and hasn't done makes him less fit for the Presidency than Trump, then you're well within your right to vote that way. I don't agree, but I can understand the choice. 

[Harrier]

17 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Do you think it has something to do with the Bernie defeat/humiliation? It seems like they took those losses so personally to the point of election denialism which predated even MAGA's.

 

I say this because the attitude appears to be "If we couldn't have our guy! You don't deserve yours!" It's like the 2016 primary never ended. 

I feel no, especially as these folks don't even like Bernie anymore. Unfortunately AOC and Bernie have politics that more closely resembles a left-liberal like myself opposed to an online communist.

 

I'd tentatively put forth two ideas:

1. Hatred of the Western democratic bloc. Joe Biden is much more repersentative of the global consensus of Western capitalist countries than Donald Trump, who in contrast is largely hated in Europe, Australia etc. There is little these folks hate more than the global north and Joe Biden is a clearer symbol of this system.

2. Identification. The far right are also populists that share a deep hatred of the current system and Joe Biden. It is therefore difficult for online communists to hate the far right as viscerally because they share an enemy and a feeling of wanting to see that enemy defeated

 

For the record I would not include all of the users in this thread who are arguing against voting for Biden in this category. 

 

[Kassi]

12 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Not to poke a hole in your theory, but I didn't vote for Bernie in 2016.

That's why I posed it as a question. We need to get down to the root of this hatred.

 

I know it can't be this war because it started day 1 of his presidency and it never stopped. We have the receipts on this very website.

 

It was fine when it was just straight critiques of his presidency, but trying to outright discredit him (and all that he's accomplished) as we're faced with authoritarianism? Something's off.

 

 

 

 

[Danny789]

27 minutes ago, Kassi said:

What happens if the majority of voters back Israel and he loses all of their votes?
 

It seems like you've taken it for granted that Biden severing all US ties with Israel is what will win him the election. 

No one is asking to sever all ties, we're asking to use the US influence and funding to call for a ceasefire and that's what a large chunk of the base wants. A two state solution would be just a beneficial to Israel. 

[Kassi]

2 minutes ago, Danny789 said:

No one is asking to sever all ties, we're asking to use the US influence and funding to call for a ceasefire and that's what a large chunk of the base wants. A two state solution would be just a beneficial to Israel. 

Ok. What now?

 

 

[i spit on haters]

Damn, that sucks. Dems should really do something about that, huh ? still not voting for Biden.

[Devin]

i blame the [undecided voter] jackasses who allowed this man to win the 2016 election. i hate it here.

[Kassi]

7 minutes ago, Harrier said:

I feel no, especially as these folks don't even like Bernie anymore. Unfortunately AOC and Bernie have politics that more closely resembles a left-liberal like myself opposed to an online communist.

 

I'd tentatively put forth two ideas:

1. Hatred of the Western democratic bloc. Joe Biden is much more repersentative of the global consensus of Western capitalist countries than Donald Trump, who in contrast is largely hated in Europe, Australia etc. There is little these folks hate more than the global north and Joe Biden is a clearer symbol of this system.

2. Identification. The far right are also populists that share a deep hatred of the current system and Joe Biden. It is therefore difficult for online communists to hate the far right as viscerally because they share an enemy and a feeling of wanting to see that enemy defeated

 

Damn. This is darker than just humiliation. I wasn't expecting that, but it would make sense why it's so visceral.

 

In other words, their brand of populism is the cancer metastasizing through the body of the United States, eating away at its vital organs and infiltrating its institutions, sapping the nation's lifeblood from within. 

[wastedpotential]

41 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

What's pathological is this strange need to act like Joe Biden is some sort of victim of people who are predisposed toward disliking him when he's... literally supplying bombs that are being used to kill children.

 

For that matter, people didn't start to remember Hillary more fondly in a "oh, what could have been if we'd only had our Yas Queen in 2016 instead of that bumbling buffoon" way. Instead, people hated her more for being such a bad candidate (after assuring everyone that she was competent and her Pied Piper strategy) that she lost to a failed businessman.

You'd have to go back to the tribal groups that inhabited the US before the Iroquois confederacy to find a leader on this land that you might possibly find tolerable under a not "enabling or directly causing the deaths of children" standard, except even then we have no idea of how brutal they were because there are no records. What Biden has allowed to happen in Gaza is horrific and unjustifiable, but you literally cannot use that as a barometer to make electoral decisions in the US, because it has to come down to oh, well who killed fewer children (and for what it's worth, I do think that the instability in Yemen exacerbated by Trump is responsible for more child deaths than Biden in Gaza so far). I don't think it's turning Biden into a victim to say "well, he'll be better than the guy who spends every waking moment talking about all the specific steps he's going to take to maximize the fatalities of groups he doesn't like", especially when Trump's hate-list is longer than Biden's in the first place. An "extreme-maga" Supreme Court won't bother re-instituting child separation policies, they'll order land mines placed along the border and gun towers erected every 1000 feet with stationed soldiers ordered to shoot everything that moves.  

 

People were allowed to hate Hillary in a time when the basic institutions of government in the US were still maintained and upheld, a privilege I don't think will be afforded to Biden. Still, if we haven't both been executed by the regime as dissidents, I'd love to hear your thoughts about how it's all still Biden's fault, say sometime in mid-2026. 

Edited May 20 by wastedpotential

[Bloo]

11 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Your perspective is fully valid and understandable, but it strips any agency from voters. The voters know exactly who the two choices are, and the voters are responsible for the outcome of the election. If you think that what Biden has and hasn't done makes him less fit for the Presidency than Trump, then you're well within your right to vote that way. I don't agree, but I can understand the choice. 

I’m not putting this on the voters. The fact is, this is a weird election by the virtue that both candidates have been president in recent memory. Plenty of voters will think, “Well, my life sucked during both of their terms and neither helped me in any material way. What difference does it make to vote this election cycle,” and will then choose to sit out. Nobody choosing to sit out or vote 3rd party is doing so out of ignorance, but rather first hand experience with both candidates occupying the White House.

 

My point is Biden should have made a much sharper distinction between himself and Trump to minimize the number of voters that feel this way. All the responses of, “Oh, well, you choosing to not vote Biden because of Gaza is stupid because Trump would have done the same and probably even worse,” is a great reflection of this problem. People don’t feel like they have noticeable options to make a meaningful choice. 

[Devin]

i would preach "vote blue" to prevent #him from returning. but 2024 election gonna have a lot of voters feel indifferent and/or easily swayed. 

[GraceRandolph]

21 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Your perspective is fully valid and understandable, but it strips any agency from voters. The voters know exactly who the two choices are, and the voters are responsible for the outcome of the election. If you think that what Biden has and hasn't done makes him less fit for the Presidency than Trump, then you're well within your right to vote that way. I don't agree, but I can understand the choice. 

Maybe the establishment Dems need to put up a strong candidate against Trump rather than expecting voters to always swallow their **** sandwiches?

[GhostBox]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

Maybe the establishment Dems need to put up a strong candidate against Trump rather than expecting voters to always swallow their **** sandwiches?

It's over!
 it's Biden vs trump.

There's not going to be any other candidate. The deadline for many important states is gone. It's not gonna happen. 
 

those are the choices. The only two who have any shot at winning the EC.