FolkLover1989 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Dua numbers while decent for her standard doesn't match the standard of other MPGs What went wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Because she's a singles artists who relies on heavy playlisting and autoplay and also unlike them she has not build a stable fanbase in USA which is crucial for success. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuelve88 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 She dumped her management team at the height of her success and hired her dad instead She would have been better off just giving her dad money and keeping her old team instead of putting him in charge of one of the most important aspects of her career. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tost1 Posted May 18 Popular Post Share Posted May 18 Dua is all about arts not the charts 1 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erreur2 La Nature Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 They do not make music for the same people. Billie's and Olivia's main market is the United States, this is where comes most of their sales. Dua Lipa's music is more Europe oriented and it shows as the US is her weakest territory while she slays everywhere else. She's the type of artist that never gets huge debuts but has longevity and reaches more countries. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalism Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 7 minutes ago, vuelve88 said: She dumped her management team at the height of her success and hired her dad instead People act like they don't know this But I agree with what has been said here. She is a singles artists and there's nothing wrong with that Rihanna is one too and her catalogue is doing bigger numbers than most album artists 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colmillo Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 She doesn't have a strong fan base, she relies too much on the GP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post makeme Posted May 18 Popular Post Share Posted May 18 @FolkLover1989 You've made 2 threads in the last 30 minutes I think you just outed yourself as unemployed 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkLover1989 Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 Just now, makeme said: @FolkLover1989 You've made 2 threads in the last 30 minutes I think you just outed yourself as unemployed Ig basic knowledge is severely needed It's weekend in most part of the world. Making 3/4 post weekly doesn't mean unemployed Help is needed 2 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) Because she is faceless and makes forgettable music, we have been saying this for years and now we actually have proof of it, ATRL is looking for excuses. She has no identity. Edited May 18 by Squall 14 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billionaire Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) Singles artist who relies on playlisting/radio/the GP versus album artists who have a fanbase. HTE had a similar/worse rollout than RO yet debuted with slightly better numbers and eventually won the longevity game. Why? Because she had the fanbase to back her up even if the general public wasn't feeling it. Edited May 18 by Billionaire 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: They do not make music for the same people. Billie's and Olivia's main market is the United States, this is where comes most of their sales. Dua Lipa's music is more Europe oriented and it shows as the US is her weakest territory while she slays everywhere else. She's the type of artist that never gets huge debuts but has longevity and reaches more countries. Where does she "slay" exactly? Can you elaborate? Fun fact: you can take Billie's US streams out and she is still way above RO's numbers. Edited May 18 by Squall 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay07 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 I don't get that tweet, Dua writes her own music as well and she's talked about it at length. OT: she's british and she's a singles act and her singles didn't do great this time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) "songwriters will always win in the end" Yeah, no. It's because of marketing/branding. Their labels have created relatable, sellable personas for them. Billie and Olivia have better teams right now, period. That said, I strongly prefer Dua out of these three. Edited May 18 by Reginald 9 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamb4life Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Because Dua's Kaonashi and Billie's Chihiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Depends on where youre from, in Brazil I would say Dua is definitely bigger than Olivia. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) She waited way too long. And decided to drop just weeks apart of other multiple big female artists' albums. Radical Optimism would've done much better in spring 2023. There was literally zero competition then as Guts was the only big new female album that got released that year. Edited May 18 by KatyPrismSpirit 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godmess Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 It's not just about songwriting persay, it's about point of view. Dua does not have one! She's a simple vacationing beauty, nothing wrong with that. But lets not expect people to be checking on her for more than dance pop fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dialamba Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) Despite being mainstream Olivia and Billie have a niche fandom while Dua relies on mass appeal plus she doesn't have a story to tell meanwhile billie and Olivia are quite vulnerable and honest with their songs. And this is why billie managed to bounce back because even her debut album, she had a big and loyal fanbase. Mass appeal doesn't last when the songs don't click with the GP. Dua sold a lot of albums this time but I don't see the same selling power next time. Edited May 18 by Dialamba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, godmess said: It's not just about songwriting persay, it's about point of view. Dua does not have one! She's a simple vacationing beauty, nothing wrong with that. But lets not expect people to be checking on her for more than dance pop fodder. Point of view? Isn't Dua one of the few pop girls to support Palestina, while Taylor and Olivia are perhaps some of the most corporate directed, non-controverial pop girls? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsmydemi Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Her fanbase is basically gays who will leave you as soon as they see the smallest sign of flopping. They don't really support albums, all they care about is quick hit singles to brag about on stan twitter (kinda like Katy Perry back in the day). But let me tell you something, I feel like this era is necessary for her. RO will erase those success stans and she will be able to build a more solid fanbase. However, it's about time she starts making more personal music. This also helps a lot. People won't pay attention to her music if all you have to offer is music to get played on radio or clubs. Of course, she will continue doing music like this because she's no alt-pop artist like Billie or a pop-rock girl like Olivia, but she can still make it more personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godmess Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 4 minutes ago, brazil said: Point of view? Isn't Dua one of the few pop girls to support Palestina, while Taylor and Olivia are perhaps some of the most corporate directed, non-controverial pop girls? Girl.... IN THE LYRICS. Dua does not have a discernable style that people recognize or are excited to hear like billie and olivia. There isn't personality, a reflection of interests, unique choice of words, metaphors, similies, punchlines etc. She's not an artist like the other two. Edited May 18 by godmess 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 21 minutes ago, makeme said: @FolkLover1989 You've made 2 threads in the last 30 minutes I think you just outed yourself as unemployed Unemployed on a Saturday? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, brazil said: Point of view? Isn't Dua one of the few pop girls to support Palestina, while Taylor and Olivia are perhaps some of the most corporate directed, non-controverial pop girls? Having an opinion on Palestine doesn't mean her music has anything to say lol. She doesn't have a narrative, she doesn't have a personality. We know nothing about Dua. It's hard to build a fan base that way. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoto Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 46 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: They do not make music for the same people. Billie's and Olivia's main market is the United States, this is where comes most of their sales. Dua Lipa's music is more Europe oriented and it shows as the US is her weakest territory while she slays everywhere else. She's the type of artist that never gets huge debuts but has longevity and reaches more countries. Billie did 50m outside of the US. Her success isn't US oriented. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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