The Music Industry Posted May 18 Posted May 18 19 minutes ago, shimind said: While Taylor's is in a few white people countries. Taylor is by far the biggest western artist of the 21st century in Asia. Name a single "white people country" located in Asia. We'll wait.
charot Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) 7 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Taylor is by far the biggest western artist of the 21st century in Asia. Name a single "white people country" located in Asia. We'll wait. Big in terms numbers but weak culturally, not everyone in Asia knows her (it's giving Drake). Again she has just a huge fanbase and she appeals to the GenZ. Her impact in Asia is weak compared to Avril Lavigne, Mariah Carey or Lady Gaga. Even Jessie J has more well known hits here in Asia than Taylor. Numbers are not everything especially in the streaming era. Edited May 19 by charot 3 1
Raspy Posted May 19 Posted May 19 swifte should just leave liddos with this on dont bother fight with the peasants poor them still stuck in 2009 oh and ShALlOw!!! and what exactly it did for chromatica? oh right NOTHING swiftie cant use number but they can use their "feeling" and "memories"
burninredhot Posted May 19 Posted May 19 11 hours ago, charot said: Her impact in Asia is weak compared to Avril Lavigne, Mariah Carey or Lady Gaga. Even Jessie J has more well known hits here in Asia than Taylor. Numbers are not everything especially in the streaming era. So we are just making stuff up now? It's ok to admit the truth Liddos
Gladiator Posted May 19 Posted May 19 I don't think so. Although it is clear that she is far bigger now than Gaga was at her peak in terms of reach and pop culture domination, I think Gaga at her peak had people scrambling to change up their images and sounds in an attempt to remain interesting and in the conversation, which isn't really something happening as a response to Taylor's peak. You see people making comments like Taylor is the one copying others. Whether that holds any merit or not withstanding, I think that goes to speak on the waves that their peaks have had on their peers. 3
Patient Zero Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) Gaga was actually interesting as an artist. She had crazy appereances, good performances and good music. Taylor has crazy fans, good gowns and good sales. I don't think you can compare these two. Edited May 19 by Patient Zero
shimind Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Taylor offers nothing. Her songs sound like someone reading a novel with a cheap beat. Atleast before 2019 she was delivering decent pop music (thanks to martin) but after that it all went down the drain. Meanwhile Gaga is about to have a third career repeak this year post joker and LG7 1
Orsay Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Taylor might be more popular now than Gaga's ever been, but Gaga was much more interesting, actually shook things up and had more impact on her peers/trends at the time
Trainwreck Posted May 19 Posted May 19 Little Monsters stop living in 2010 challenge. SPOILER!: failed 1
Trainwreck Posted May 19 Posted May 19 On 5/16/2024 at 10:01 PM, charot said: They meant outside stan bubble and the USA which is true. Despite her FAME in the US, not everyone knows her especially her 'hits. Taylor is the BTS of the West, having all the numbers, slaying the charts left and right but no actual impact outside the target audience. Swifties seriously need to step out of their bubble. Who's bigger than THEE Taylor Swift in 2022/2023/2024? SZA? Drake? Beyoncé? Absolutely no
AvadaKedavra Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) Taylor Peak is huge but i feel like is more enclosed in her fanbase. Very Teen Phenomenon like BTS-Bieber Gaga Peak was felt all over the GP and Worldwide. She just shifted the game 100% I honestly feel like Gaga peak was bigger than the Britney one. It was comparable to Michael Jackson Her Peak was when Social media was just starting. So, she was disavantaged and still she was pretty titanic. Imagine havin the chances of the worldwide reach today of Social media. I would rank it like this: 1. Massive Cultural Worldwide Phenomenons. Everything was impactful. Fashion-Vids-Music-Social Commentary = Gaga / Michael Jackson 2. Huge Cultural Worldwide Phenomenons. Everyone wanted to dress like them and be them = Taylor / Britney / Billie Eilish / Avril 3. Huge Eras Worldwide,Loved Everywhere,Pretty big massive in the States,Landmark eras = Rihanna / Katy / Kesha / Beyonce 2013 / MIley Bangerz era / Olivia Rodrigo Sour 4. Big Eras but not too much cultural impact = SZA Sos / Camila Cabello Havana Era / Meghan Trainor Debut Era Edited May 19 by AvadaKedavra
loveisdead9582 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Idk. I've experienced Gaga's peak and obviously Taylor's. They're different. In terms of numbers it's Taylor no question. If we're talking about influence on pop culture, Gaga. Everyone was changing their fashion, their music styles, and even how music videos were done to an extent. Gaga was everywhere because of her fashion and her performances. Taylor is everywhere because of the sheer amount of music she's putting out, the relatability, and the fact that she is a massive touring force. 1
Damien M Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Fan of both but anyone who lived through peak Gaga knows the The Fame era was > She was THE topic of conversation from like 2009 to 2011. I'd imagine that was as close as what MJ in his prime felt like. Adele's 21 era had a similar vibe too. Taylor has the sales and touring receipts but her hype seems limited to white women (and adjacents), no offense
Storm653 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) On 5/19/2024 at 2:36 PM, AvadaKedavra said: Taylor Peak is huge but i feel like is more enclosed in her fanbase. Very Teen Phenomenon like BTS-Bieber Gaga Peak was felt all over the GP and Worldwide. She just shifted the game 100% I honestly feel like Gaga peak was bigger than the Britney one. It was comparable to Michael Jackson Her Peak was when Social media was just starting. So, she was disavantaged and still she was pretty titanic. Imagine havin the chances of the worldwide reach today of Social media. I would rank it like this: 1. Massive Cultural Worldwide Phenomenons. Everything was impactful. Fashion-Vids-Music-Social Commentary = Gaga / Michael Jackson 2. Huge Cultural Worldwide Phenomenons. Everyone wanted to dress like them and be them = Taylor / Britney / Billie Eilish / Avril 3. Huge Eras Worldwide,Loved Everywhere,Pretty big massive in the States,Landmark eras = Rihanna / Katy / Kesha / Beyonce 2013 / MIley Bangerz era / Olivia Rodrigo Sour 4. Big Eras but not too much cultural impact = SZA Sos / Camila Cabello Havana Era / Meghan Trainor Debut Era I love how you just sneaked in Bieber like we wouldn't notice. Bieber had a bigger global peak than Gaga ever did and his peak lasted longer than Gaga's too because of Purpose and his collaborations. Bieber may have started off as a teen heartthrob phenomenon but he was still instantly famous and a household name worldwide and he had publicity like with the Selena relationship and his "bad boy" phase in the early 2010's before eventually started making music that broadened his audience in 2015. It's true that Bieber started off being hated on by straight men and old people on a widespread level(with Baby formerly being the most disliked video on Youtube) but he quickly became a global phenomenon both as a hitmaker and a celebrity. And I'd argue Bieber still has more tunes that regularly get played by the GP overseas than Gaga except maybe in Europe. Edited July 27 by Storm653
The7thStranger Posted July 27 Posted July 27 It's funny. Taylor is objectively the biggest force in pop music since Madonna and Michael. But, in some weird way, she doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's just that her imperial era has crested, I don't know. But GaGa felt more impactful even if it's not true. On 5/17/2024 at 11:03 AM, Galah said: Gaga was sort of this omnipresent mystery in pop culture, and the media couldn't get enough of her. Exactly this. It just didn't last. GaGa was like dynamite going off, and Taylor's trajectory was always a slower burn.
AvadaKedavra Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, Storm653 said: I love how you just sneaked in Bieber like we wouldn't notice. Bieber definitely is impressive. The way he went from Hated to highly Loved popstar is crazy the guy was born to be a huge star If he were more invested in his career i think he would be the biggest male singer of the new gen. Above bruno, the weekend,timberlake I been following bieb before he was hugely famous. When One time song was just released i had a crush on him when i was like 13-14 lol Edited July 27 by AvadaKedavra
Kill Me Posted July 27 Posted July 27 If Gaga really was as big as y'all claim, she wouldn't have fizzled out to nothing just a year later... Madonna's fame was also fueled by controversy and doing edgy things to get attention but it took 25 years for the GP to get disillusioned to her methods... I wonder what Gaga did wrong to become the definitive Fad of Pop Music?
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