SlimyGhoul Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 As someone who was a Liddo at Gaga's peak, I think that they're just...different. Gaga was different in that she was changing things like the way people dressed, the type of music we heard on the radio, etc. Taylor is more just like...a global phenomenon. She's not really inspiring anything that we see (she's more inspiring behind the scenes like rights of artists, etc.). We do see "eras" used a lot, though. so maybe! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie.Valdez Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 I feel like is more impressive when an artist becomes global from the very start. That is IMPACT Taylor became really global until 1989 when she switched to pop (and im not quite sure if it was with 1989 or Midnights) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aethereal Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Gaga was overall a bigger cultural event but she did not have this obsessed Beatles-like stanbase like Taylor does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
єѕℓαм Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 NO you just had to be there ig only Madonna, Britney reached THAT level of fame (before her) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmed59 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 13 hours ago, Tropical said: I agree with all of this except for the Taylor influence - Olivia and Sabrina are direct spawns of Taylor, adopting that love-life singer-songwriter "down to earth" kinda shtick. (Not that Taylor invented this, but she's repopularised it and the whole "I'm a songwriter so my music is deeper" B.S. that normies eat up, god forbid a talented songwriter not also be a talented vocalist) i felt the same until i realized 2 celebrities does not compare to nearly every major act on the scene changing their looks and sound up. Edited May 16 by jjmed59 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capris Groove Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Taylor is bigger than peak Lady Gaga. But more impactful? Absolutely not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy V.! Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 People severely underestimate Taylor because she's been absurdly huge for so long so it's "normal". She's with MJ and Madonna, not Gaga and Britney lmao 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaChina Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 lady gaga has a bigger house name taylor has a bigger music move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rihannasbe$tfrnd Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Gaga was everywhere, not just for white people. Like even hiphop used her, like her collab with Wale and she wasn't made fun of by the community either the way that Taylor is a joke to most communities. people recognized GaGa's talent and creativity on top of her success. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OreGuy Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) it feels like with Gaga's peak, you cannot look away and even if you want to, you still wanna know what she's up to because it was all visual and creativity. It was so exciting. With Taylor, even with how big she's been, you can still look away, situations will be the same but the numbers get higher, which is not exciting if you are not a die hard fan. Edited May 17 by OreGuy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robburro Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) Image wise Taylor can't even compete with Avril during Let Go. Musically yes, she's way bigger but there's something about Taylor that is just normal, like she's there dominating and just there Edited May 17 by Robburro 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted May 17 ATRL Moderator Share Posted May 17 Taylor long ago surpassed her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charot Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 No post 1989 Taylor Swift hit can even compete with Shallow in terms of global impact and GP recognition. What's more impressive is that Gaga scored such massive hit during her decline. When she hits she HITS with the GP involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 in the gay world, Gaga impact is bigger in the non-gay world, Taylor impact is bigger and longer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 On 5/16/2024 at 9:52 AM, gm4567 said: Outside of her large fanbase she very little cultural impact. Im a Gaga hater but Gaga had everyone and their grandmother's talking! Even if it didn't exactly translate to sales and tickets. yeah Taylor got no one talking. But remember the time she went to the 1st Travis game? the thread about her sharing review on her story? or the thread about she release fortnight physical to block Sabrina in the uk or something? or the thread about that old boy band member no one even know say Taylor doesnt have hit songs? or the current thread about her release more digital CDs? Just to name a few example. They all have a ridiculous amounts of pages of people whining lol. Maybe they are not people talking, they are just THOTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 On 5/16/2024 at 9:52 AM, gm4567 said: Outside of her large fanbase she very little cultural impact. Im a Gaga hater but Gaga had everyone and their grandmother's talking! Even if it didn't exactly translate to sales and tickets. yeah Taylor got no one talking. But remember the time she went to the 1st Travis game? the thread about her sharing review on her story? or the thread about she release fortnight physical to block Sabrina in the uk or something? or the thread about that old boy band member no one even know say Taylor doesnt have hit songs? or the current thread about her release more digital CDs? Just to name a few example. They all have a ridiculous amounts of pages of people whining lol. Maybe they are not people talking, they are just THOTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charot Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 21 minutes ago, chiliam said: yeah Taylor got no one talking. But remember the time she went to the 1st Travis game? the thread about her sharing review on her story? or the thread about she release fortnight physical to block Sabrina in the uk or something? or the thread about that old boy band member no one even know say Taylor doesnt have hit songs? or the current thread about her release more digital CDs? Just to name a few example. They all have a ridiculous amounts of pages of people whining lol. Maybe they are not people talking, they are just THOTS. They meant outside stan bubble and the USA which is true. Despite her FAME in the US, not everyone knows her especially her 'hits. Taylor is the BTS of the West, having all the numbers, slaying the charts left and right but no actual impact outside the target audience. Swifties seriously need to step out of their bubble. 9 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 28 minutes ago, charot said: They meant outside stan bubble and the USA which is true. Despite her FAME in the US, not everyone knows her especially her 'hits. Taylor is the BTS of the West, having all the numbers, slaying the charts left and right but no actual impact outside the target audience. Swifties seriously need to step out of their bubble. You need to step outside of your bubble. Taylor is easily the most culturally relevant artist of the 21st century on a global scale, especially in North America, Oceania and Asia (for western artists). This idea that she has no impact is simply stupid at this point. Educate yourself and get back to us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_Eras_Tour 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 57 minutes ago, charot said: They meant outside stan bubble and the USA which is true. Despite her FAME in the US, not everyone knows her especially her 'hits. Taylor is the BTS of the West, having all the numbers, slaying the charts left and right but no actual impact outside the target audience. Swifties seriously need to step out of their bubble. or maybe you just should go outside more. I was there at The Eras Tour Singapore and the city is filled with Taylor-related things for a whole week. And the last show, if i weren`t there, i would not believe that there was like 30k of people just casually hang out outside the stadium singalong to all the songs and the joy on everyone`s face is priceless. No other artist has that type of power. So i`m not ever again letting an ATRL thread gaslight me that "but but but no impact..., no one talk about her in the real world.." Edited May 17 by chiliam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeblock Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 fad's peak was a cultural reset. I don't see what Taylor is resetting, culturally? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galah Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Taylor is bigger than Gaga ever was, but it's a different kind of big. Gaga was sort of this omnipresent mystery in pop culture, and the media couldn't get enough of her. We don't really live in a time where television and tabloids are as important to the pop culture experience. These days it's more about being all over TikTok and Instagram. The music wasn't really the main selling point of "GAGA" as a brand, hence why even during this enormous peak of hers, she was still being regularly out-charted by the likes of Rihanna, Katy Perry, and Kesha. It was a different kind of fame, and probably felt a lot bigger to the average ATRL user because we were impressionable young teenagers or even children experiencing something like this for the first time. It's been 15 years since Gaga's heyday. Nobody really thinks about that time anymore—or considers it an especially notable moment in pop culture's history—other than fans of hers, I'm sorry to say. It was just something that happened a decade and a half ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal220 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Yes Taylor is extremely impactful, new artists want a career trajectory like this Instead of this…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeroll Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 In terms of pop culture impact I think Gaga did something incredibly special. Gaga managed to cut through pop culture in such an anomalous way. Taylor's omnipresence is undeniable and I think she's been more sustained, but her path feels less pioneering. It's like Taylor is carving a super long runway for herself but Gaga left a much deeper mark, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shimind Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 gagas peak was all over the globe. While Taylor's is in a few white people countries. Gaga shits on her in this department. You can't take away that from her. Even A star is born had a bigger legacy than anything taylor has ever done. 50 yrs from now people will remember Shallow but not a single taylor single 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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