Phaunzie Posted May 11 Posted May 11 I know I am not seeing the same girls who were up in arms over the Johnny Depp Amber Heard Case saying that we shouldn't have to get individuals to care about genocide. Like is it because the peoples being ethical cleansing are not white. Also each of them contribute to the genocide. Literally they should be enraged that their tax dollars are used to supply Israel with WMD. Especially because they indirectly contribute way more than ordinary citizens. To the girls saying this won't do anything, I have to say, at least they are doing something. Spreading awareness of a crisis is better than sitting in front of screen and waiting for some miracle to happen. Be the change. Like y'all sound like the same gays criticized Stonewall and Peace protests during the Vietnam War. 2
If U Seek Amy Posted May 11 Posted May 11 14 hours ago, Trent W said: While I think that Palestine genocide is one of the worst terrors of our time, I do agree to a certain extent that this forced "you have to spreak up" is really turning people off. Is just not the way to go. There are several wars too going on, that no one talks about I think this mentality of "you have to care about everything in the world" is extremely unhealthy mentally and it just doesn't feel right. I think that is better to speak up if you feel connected to the cause and feel it at heart People who are supporting Palestine but harassing everyone they encounter are pure evil and toxic. Agreed on every single point. I obviously care. But the second someone talks down to me because I "don't care" as much as they do it makes me actively not listen to you anymore. And for many it makes them then not even pay attention cause those people are awful to be around and they begin to associate the movement with bad mean people regardless of the cause. This is a basic principle of persuading people. And I tend to be patient too. I can't image the millions who will not even give you the time of day caring with that tactic. But most won't wanna hear it and will call you a Zionist or a genocide supporter or something 1
TeemoR Posted May 11 Posted May 11 6 hours ago, eleganceislearned said: It would be cool if they applied this heat to actual politicians. That 9/11 Ja Rule joke still applies in the worst way. As much as people try to make it so, celebrities are not world leaders. This is just misplaced and just shows how people are sadly screaming out for a leader that might never materialize (because everyone is too obsessed with the wrong people). They sing/act good, but to think these rich, uneducated, artsy people are going to do anything radically worthwhile for world peace, or that they are even capable of that, is idiotic. Celebrities are not world leaders but they have a lot of influence and they are mega popular. So yes, pressure should be applied to them when such extreme events are happening in the world and they go like clowns to the MET Gala. Yes, pressure should be applied to actual politicians AS WELL (and primarily).
Gui Blackout Posted May 11 Posted May 11 How exactly is *blocking* a celebrity, particularly one you didn't follow to begin with, going to affect them in any way? 1
Sugar-Rush Posted May 11 Posted May 11 16 minutes ago, TeemoR said: Celebrities are not world leaders but they have a lot of influence and they are mega popular. Yet dozens of celebrities have already stepped forward and supported Palestine in the past few months, yet they haven't brought any significant change to the situation despite their popularity and supposed influence. So why exactly do y'all believe that Bey, Kim or another couple of celebrities speaking up would affect anything?
YellowRibbon Posted May 11 Posted May 11 Screaming at the comments on that girl's video.... They really said "block Taylor Swift" and they said "I'm gonna pass on that one"
TeemoR Posted May 11 Posted May 11 10 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said: Yet dozens of celebrities have already stepped forward and supported Palestine in the past few months, yet they haven't brought any significant change to the situation despite their popularity and supposed influence. So why exactly do y'all believe that Bey, Kim or another couple of celebrities speaking up would affect anything? Barely any celebrities have said something, and that little something has had some impact to somewhat 'normalize' supporting Palestine.
Chris Posted May 11 Posted May 11 8 hours ago, Mellark said: I don't know but this is going to be a controversial take but why does it remind me of "black square" performative activism in 2020? Like, what is trying to achieve? The black square posts that people made were a tad bit different than this. Some users were posting black squares that actually had resources and information on how to help.
Mandalore Posted May 11 Posted May 11 (edited) When none of these celebrities endorse the Democratic candidate and Trump wins and they all start freaking out about that, are we gonna have another #BlockOut2025 for not speaking out against Trump in support of Biden? This is so pathetic on so many levels, these celebrities won't save you. Your country is Israel's little bi*ch and the sooner you come to terms with it the better. Red or Blue, different sides, same coin. But sure, Lady Gaga making an instagram post or Beyoncé signing a piece of paper is gonna scare off Netanyahu and make him reconsider. How detached from reality do you have to be to not see the absurdity of this? Edited May 11 by Mandalore 2 1 1
Kassi Posted May 11 Posted May 11 9 minutes ago, Mandalore said: Your country is Israel's little bi*ch and the sooner you come to terms with it the better. It's not even that. It's more the reality that Israel is its own country with its own set of priorities. This is how their government responds to student protestors around the world: This is how their government responds to Biden, a US president and leader the free world, delaying arms: We're trying to rationalize with people who are survivors of, or directly descended from survivors of, the Holocaust — the uniquely systemic elimination of 6 million Jews. It's a totally different ballgame. All of this celebrity focus doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the issue. I get that people want to show support and do the (very little) that they can actually do. But it's insane to even bring up the word "Taylor Swift" in relation to this conflict. It feels so asinine and belittling of the clear and present stakes. 2 2
Kassi Posted May 11 Posted May 11 9 hours ago, MattieB said: This is the same gaga that said ARREST ME MOSCOW, this is the same Beyonce that declared BLM (until it was not) When it comes to issues outside of eras they can profit from they are nowhere to be found Russia is now virulently homophobic. US is still systemically racist. That should tell you how much sway celebrities have on a government — making the focus on them that much more silly.
Communion Posted May 11 Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mandalore said: When none of these celebrities endorse the Democratic candidate and Trump wins Is this suggesting celebrities would rather let Trump win than demand Democrats not endorse genocide? Do we not have standards for the rich? This thinking is what makes the "this is performative, binary thinking" claims odd since... this is binary thinking. Celebs can hold Dems accountable on Israel AND Trump loses. In fact, Trump might very well win if Biden and Dems don't stop their clear support for Israel. Imagine the ramifications on if a collective of celebrities released a statement that they couldn't, in good conscience, campaign for Biden in November if he didn't commit to ending his material support for Israel's genocide on Palestinians. Queer celebrities have demanded policy concessions for support and donations. Black celebrities have demanded policy concessions for support and donations. I'm not sure why we're pretending money does not buy people what they want and thus those with money are powerful. What is wealth besides power? It feels dishonest to obscure that celebrities have material wealth that regular people don't by trying to claim regular people are losing sight and not demanding material concessions. Sure, argue people should be demanding something *material* from celebrities and not just a social media post, but it's not nonsensical to demand actions from those with power, even be it entertainers, especially those who act as proxies for more powerful people. No one wants celebs' *views* or *opinions*. They need to open up their checkbooks. Edited May 11 by Communion 1 1
SmittenCake Posted May 11 Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Chris said: The black square posts that people made were a tad bit different than this. Some users were posting black squares that actually had resources and information on how to help. People are sharing plenty of resources and pages to support Palestine and Palestinians. Yall are just mad your faves are being called out and purposely want to act confused. 1
GraceRandolph Posted May 11 Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Mandalore said: When none of these celebrities endorse the Democratic candidate and Trump wins and they all start freaking out about that, are we gonna have another #BlockOut2025 for not speaking out against Trump in support of Biden? This is so pathetic on so many levels, these celebrities won't save you. Your country is Israel's little bi*ch and the sooner you come to terms with it the better. Red or Blue, different sides, same coin. But sure, Lady Gaga making an instagram post or Beyoncé signing a piece of paper is gonna scare off Netanyahu and make him reconsider. How detached from reality do you have to be to not see the absurdity of this? So, on one hand celebrities have the power to put Trump in office, but no power to move Biden while he is in office?
Mandalore Posted May 11 Posted May 11 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: So, on one hand celebrities have the power to put Trump in office, but no power to move Biden while he is in office? They have the power to do neither, that's the point. But the performative pendulum will swing the other way this time next year, bookmark this. 1
Obsession Posted May 11 Posted May 11 (edited) I think celebrities should use their platform to speak up, but I don't think you can block them into caring about stuff when they don't. This is all very stupid. There are no clear goals or parameters either as to what this hopes to accomplish - I've seen lists where the people have signed ceasefire letters or posted information. Gigi Hadid for instance is on most of these, despite being a Palestinian who HAS posted about Israel and had her life threatened by the state?!?! Also people are saying this is a clear decentering of celebrity culture, but there are also lists of celebrities who have supported Palestine, so which is it? Also the endorsing a presidential candidate thing doesn't apply here because BOTH candidates are pro-Israel and have already repeatedly made it clear they have no intention of compromising on their stance. I don't think there's any celebrity alive who could change their approach to this issue. Edited May 11 by Obsession
Cheers Posted May 11 Posted May 11 4 minutes ago, Antisocialites said: This tweet worded it perfectly. Why not use this energy to write to our government representatives like..
PrettyHurts Posted May 11 Posted May 11 8 hours ago, Maybe said: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLVAteSW/ I can't believe people really think like this who the **** cares what those people think
Cyanide Posted May 11 Posted May 11 And now I see artists who HAVE spoken up being targeted, this makes no sense and this is how movements become trivialized, once white liberals start using them to promote their own engagement. now it's "look who I blocked!!! Follow me!!!" Instead of actually trying to put pressure onto people to use their wealth for humanitarian aid like The Weeknd 1
SmittenCake Posted May 11 Posted May 11 28 minutes ago, Cheers said: This tweet worded it perfectly. Why not use this energy to write to our government representatives like.. Celebrities can shift public opinion Like idky yall acting brand new 1
MattieB Posted May 11 Posted May 11 33 minutes ago, Cheers said: This tweet worded it perfectly. Why not use this energy to write to our government representatives like.. Why can't you do both? 1
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