Exodus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, Truth Teller said: Shake It Off was an enormous hit. It was #15 on the year end off of just the first 4-5 months of its run and dominated 3 radio formats despite WBT staying on power rotation all year. If anything, it's a prime example of why the cannibalizing thing isn't true Flex is a bad song and was not going to be a bigger hit regardless of WFH (and it's not like 5H were hitmakers, WFH is their only top 10 ). Same applies to most ATRL examples of a huge hit cannibalizing another single. Unconditionally, Birthday, You Da One, The Weeknd's In Your Eyes... just songs that simply weren't that strong / smash worthy anyway. Shake It Off was blocked from #01 and could have been even bigger. Flex is a fantastic song that never truly took off because of WFH's staying power. It even had a TikTok resurgence last year. Cannabalization isn't a narrative. It's a reality for artists when management can't predict the staying power of a monster hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKCuteCat Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Truth Teller said: Shake It Off was an enormous hit. It was #15 on the year end off of just the first 4-5 months of its run and dominated 3 radio formats despite WBT staying on power rotation all year. If anything, it's a prime example of why the cannibalizing thing isn't true Flex is a bad song and was not going to be a bigger hit regardless of WFH (and it's not like 5H were hitmakers, WFH is their only top 10 ). Same applies to most ATRL examples of a huge hit cannibalizing another single. Unconditionally, Birthday, You Da One, The Weeknd's In Your Eyes... just songs that simply weren't that strong / smash worthy anyway. GF/ When Your Gone We Found Love/ You Da One Work/Kissed It better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, KKCuteCat said: GF/ When Your Gone We Found Love/ You Da One Work/Kissed It better When You're Gone was a bad single choice, no one wanted a ballad. And Avril's singles were always hit or miss commercially. Girlfriend was the last time she saw the top 10 so it was a larger problem, not Girlfriend's fault You Da One is a generic song that everyone disliked, with an awful video and no promo. It was not going to be a hit anyway. Rihanna had no problem having 2, 3 or even 4 simultaneous hits in previous eras Kiss It Better was not cannibalized by Work. It was cannibalized by Needed Me because it was a dual single, which never works. Different case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKCuteCat Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Truth Teller said: When You're Gone was a bad single choice, no one wanted a ballad. And Avril's singles were always hit or miss commercially. Girlfriend was the last time she saw the top 10 so it was a larger problem, not Girlfriend's fault You Da One is a generic song that everyone disliked, with an awful video and no promo. It was not going to be a hit anyway. Rihanna had no problem having 2, 3 or even 4 simultaneous hits in previous eras Kiss It Better was not cannibalized by Work. It was cannibalized by Needed Me because it was a dual single, which never works. Different case Rihanna could have hits concurrently. Just not hits on same album at the same time. That happened to her multiple time. Good Girl Gone Bad/Shut Up And Drive is another example. She always released the second single right when the first single was smashing and most cases it was overshadowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, KKCuteCat said: Rihanna could have hits concurrently. Just not hits on same album at the same time. That happened to her multiple time. Good Girl Gone Bad/Shut Up And Drive is another example. She always released the second single right when the first single was smashing and most cases it was overshadowed. Disturbia went #1 while Take A Bow was still #4 on the Hot 100. Only Girl smashed at the same time as WMN and historically went #1 after WMM did despite being released first She's had more examples of singles coexisting than singles, allegedly, killing another single. And even in those cases, it was just a bad single choice. Pretty sure the common consensus on Shut Up and Drive remains that there were like 6 worthier songs to release at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKCuteCat Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 33 minutes ago, Truth Teller said: Disturbia went #1 while Take A Bow was still #4 on the Hot 100. Only Girl smashed at the same time as WMN and historically went #1 after WMM did despite being released first That only happens 3 times. That's why i said most of time, or half of the time, the first singles overshadowed the second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 post album singles rarely work in the streaming era, unless it is a remix with another artist or randomly goes viral on tiktok stop comparing todays music with the 2000s/2010s achievements 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TryMe Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Trip said: post album singles rarely work in the streaming era, unless it is a remix with another artist or randomly goes viral on tiktok stop comparing todays music with the 2000s/2010s achievements That's such an interesting observation. I never thought about that, but it totally makes sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bencharmer Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I love that song but i'm sure Fantasize would have picked higher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 11 minutes ago, Bencharmer said: I love that song but i'm sure Fantasize will peak higher when it's the lead single of the deluxe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayliah Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 13 hours ago, Trip said: post album singles rarely work in the streaming era, unless it is a remix with another artist or randomly goes viral on tiktok stop comparing todays music with the 2000s/2010s achievements Yep blame it on streaming when the music is free and everyone streamed the song alreqdy.. it baremy makes a dent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerousbutera Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Post album singles are notoriously difficult to make into a big hit in the streaming era, there are far more examples of them being unsuccessful than successful. It's especially harder I fear when the song had already gone viral with the album release and so by the time the official push came for it, the hype had died down (this is why it worked with Levitating - its viral moments came after its release as a single, not before). Most of the time, a post-album single becomes a big hit due to going viral in time with its push. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wantedyoutogrow Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Can't believe the biggest fumble of the entire era is the lack or radio support and playlisting… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matchatea Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 2 minutes ago, wantedyoutogrow said: Can't believe the biggest fumble of the entire era is the lack or radio support and playlisting… Well…. At least this won't ruin the tour…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twizzy Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Should have been Supernatural that got single treatment, TBIM already had its viral moment during album release when it was plastered all over Tiktok. Intro and WCBF kept the album afloat for a couple months. Should've been an obscure song that Tiktok hadn't touched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny1021 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 8/1/2024 at 3:32 AM, dangerousbutera said: Post album singles are notoriously difficult to make into a big hit in the streaming era, there are far more examples of them being unsuccessful than successful. It's especially harder I fear when the song had already gone viral with the album release and so by the time the official push came for it, the hype had died down (this is why it worked with Levitating - its viral moments came after its release as a single, not before). Most of the time, a post-album single becomes a big hit due to going viral in time with its push. Tell that to dua lipa she had successful singles in the streaming era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertiffany Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 8/1/2024 at 1:34 AM, Bencharmer said: I love that song but i'm sure Fantasize would have picked higher this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Officially top 10 on rhythmic radio. Her 15th overall #1 Love Me Harder (5 wks) #1 Problem (3 wks) #1 34+35 (1 wk) #2 Side To Side #2 The Way #2 Die For You* #3 7 Rings #5 One Last Time #5 Rule The World* #7 Positions #8 the boy is mine #8 Right There #10 Dangerous Woman #10 Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored #10 Boyfriend Spoiler #11 Focus #12 No Tears Left To Cry #13 Everyday #14 Into You #14 Bang Bang #14 Bed* #15 Thank U, Next #15 Break Free #26 yes and? #26 Stuck With U #27 God Is A Woman #28 Baby I #33 Breathin #40 pov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matchatea Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 25 minutes ago, Truth Teller said: Officially top 10 on rhythmic radio. Her 15th overall #1 Love Me Harder (5 wks) #1 Problem (3 wks) #1 34+35 (1 wk) #2 Side To Side #2 The Way #2 Die For You* #3 7 Rings #5 One Last Time #5 Rule The World* #7 Positions #8 the boy is mine #8 Right There #10 Dangerous Woman #10 Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored #10 Boyfriend Reveal hidden contents #11 Focus #12 No Tears Left To Cry #13 Everyday #14 Into You #14 Bang Bang #14 Bed* #15 Thank U, Next #15 Break Free #26 yes and? #26 Stuck With U #27 God Is A Woman #28 Baby I #33 Breathin #40 pov Finally! Thank you for sharing! Let's hope it's steady or goes up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetestsecret Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Charting 20 weeks on hot 100. Another cute hit with longevity for her!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Her 10th top 5 hit on rhythmic radio #1 Love Me Harder (5 wks) #1 Problem (3 wks) #1 34+35 (1 wk) #2 Side To Side #2 The Way #2 Die For You* #3 7 Rings #5 the boy is mine #5 One Last Time #5 Rule The World* #7 Positions #8 Right There #10 Dangerous Woman #10 Break Up With Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored #10 Boyfriend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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